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Another supporter who isn't happy unless they're having a whinge it would seem.
Welcome Welcome to Richmond Pick 17 - Tom Brown
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Has all the physical attributes plus skills, pump games into him
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he wouldve got an aa already by now if he was at the scats with the umpiring and player favouritsm they receive
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Angus Sheldrick, Jacob van Rooyen, Kai Lohmann, Matthew Johnson, Josh Goater, Sam Butler, Toby Conway, Mitch Knevitt, Connor MacDonald, Jesse Motlop
These are the players taken between Tom Brown (pick 17) and Tyler Sonsie (28). Not sure any of them (apart from van Rooyen, I guess, but he feels over hyped and Dimma probably would've played him as a KPD) have shown to be any better than Brown.
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I like the look of him, very composed for a second gamer and seems strong with great footskills
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The force is strong with this one
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There were only 2 KPF that draft: Jye Amiss and JVR. GC did us a favour taking speculative Mac Andrew allowing us to take Gibcus. Reality is the club says they were blindsided losing both Chol and CCJ as they were our long term KPF options. So to replenish our empty KPF stock we took a KPD (fair enough as was touted as top 5) and 4 blokes who aren't KPF and most <6ft tall.
JVR is chugging along nicely averaging 1.5 goals a game. Ben King only averages 1.8 goals a game and is 2 years more advanced and touted to cost $1.5 mil to jag. Jamara ugle Hagan is a year more advanced and averaging a pathetic 1.3 goals a game. Plenty around here think he's worth 3- 1st rounders and $1.2 mil.
Also JVR's magnet is glued to their board. Without all these injuries and at full strength is Brown rated in our top 30 players by Yze???? Like I said won't be 1/2 as bitter a pill to swallow if he can at least become a winger. Any plodder can adequately play HBF.
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Like you said, only 2 KPF players in the draft, with 1 taken before any of our picks, and the second after 2 of our picks.
We were never going to swap picks with Fremantle for Amiss considering he's a local kid, while clubs prior had clear targets in mind to draft, so it was very unlikely that we get ahead of Fremantle for Amiss.
JVR also gets the 2rd/3rd best defender behind McDonald/Brown (whoever's playing) and Fritsch. Not sure if he produces anywhere near the same performance or even development if we're playing him as our number 1 key fwd every week.
Not sure about this. Sure any player can sit behind the ball, get hand ball receives and then hack the ball 50m to a contest. But how many HBF can actually identify targets and hit them with pinpoint accuracy?
Love what Short brings to the team, but he doesn't look to try and find a teammate in F50 the same way Brown did to Baker at the end of the 3rd quarter for Baker's first goal.
There's a reason why clubs like Essendon want to move an AA wingman in Nic Martin to HB and be their main distributor, similar with Amon from the wing to HB for the Hawks.
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scats will poach him
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bc we both agree LM. lol
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Dimma and match committee got selfish stayed loyal to players not performing rather past form.
The huge chunk of these names were not drafted as HBF's. They played other positions, then were developed as a HBF as they couldn't get a game, or cut it in other positions - or, the team just needed some quality in that role.
Also, Carlton trading pick 8 for Saad is 1-0% irrelevant - they traded for player that was ready made and fully fitted a primary need & payed top dollar for it.
I think people are ok with drafting any position of player as long as the player is actually good. But surely no-one looks at our recent focus of drafting mid-sized flankers has been a strategy that worked for us. Its been a absolute disaster
Whether you draft a player specifically to play as a mid-sized defender or you draft him to play as a midfielder and re-purpose him to fill your need to have a classy mid-sized defender, the effect is the same. In modern footy all teams need classy distributors and line breakers in defence, and several of them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a mid to late first round pick to draft one, especially when you have class defenders Vlastuin, Broad, Grimes closer to the end than the start of their careers.
Beside that, Richmond correctly identified the need to recruit players who were good kicks after the introduction of the stand rule and some attrition had acted to limit the effect of our pressure game. Thus, Brown, Banks, Clarke, Sonsie were recruited when the club may have otherwise focussed on other needs. These guys just need to play games and get accustomed to the level and what is required, if/when some of them make the grade their kicking skills will have a great effect on our ability to transition the ball, and Brown looks like being at the forefront of that. A few other players recruited since the stand rule introduction also look to have the ability to improve our kicking, Bauer, Campbell and McAuliffe at least. I think Coulthard is also a fairly smart user by foot. It is just a matter of getting these guys into the team when they are fit and ready and getting games into them. There will be strong free agents and or trades coming in the next couple of years you would think who can add to our key forward and high end midfield stocks.
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Showed enough to keep persisting, waste of time playing seconds footy he's good enough
We really need to fast track talented players
To 40 games , afl exposure is paramount to developing not playing in a league with alot less pressure
We really need to fast track talented players
To 40 games , afl exposure is paramount to developing not playing in a league with alot less pressure
Taken a little bit of time to get going, but looks like an AFL player.
I can see him and Trezise being mainstays of our backline in years to come.
I can see him and Trezise being mainstays of our backline in years to come.
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So move him into a position that doesn’t utilise his strengths and where he is going to touch the ball less. Makes sense.
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Do you know Houli and Astbury were picked up as Forwards? Or are you too lazy to do any research? Just picked a footy team to have something to talk about "around the water cooler" besides MAFS? Our Wings are the laughing stock of the comp. McIntosh and Pickett should be phased out asap.
His draft profile:
Tom Brown is an athletic half-back from the Murray Bushrangers, who is the son of Geelong Cats' Paul, but not eligible for the father-son rule due to his father not reaching the 100-game minimum requirement. The clean running defender, who can also push up the ground and play off a wing, has some eye-catching outside traits, and nice footy smarts to-boot. His athletic abilities combined with his smarts and ability to read the play make him a natural outside player, with his strength and contested work areas to improve on.
Overall, Tom Brown is an exciting running talent who can provide that transitional play for a side, be it slotting in at half-back or on a wing. He knows how to win the ball in defence, rebound it out and switch play to the open side if required
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Oh really? They were? And then they played their best football when put into a position on the ground where they were best able to utilised their strengths. Brown doesn’t, and probably never will have the tank to play on a wing at AFL level, his best position will be in the back half of the ground. Hopefully with more AFL games and confidence he’s able to become a pretty good interceptor as well.
I’d love to see him on a wing, I think his kicking would be a weapon.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to mate. I was warning people just like you, R2R and a chunk of others for 3 years the winter is coming and its going to bite hard because the club is making a series of wrong decisions based on a series of reasons that range from arrogance, ego, short-sightedness, a decline in standards caused mostly due to the leaders failing their own sniff test ( Rance, Dimma), drafting too many similar "nothing" sized players, ignoring good "long term" trade options & then finally, throwing years of stability in the fire to trade not 1, but TWO players from the same team, who play the same position, on exactly the same type of deals despite having 2 very different injury histories.
This "now" has been so ******* obvious to me that i have literally been continuing to push it despite being basically abused, called a "fake supporter", "troll" etc. The time for "spin" is well and truly over - everyone is seeing the fallout of all these things and there is nothing left to hide behind. The flags and all the people who made them, are no longer relevant. We are living with now, 3 years of some of the worst "richmond" s**t of the last 50 years. How we totally ****ed up a "unlosable" long term position post the 2019-20 GF is one of the biggest failures of the modern times. We are Hawthorn / Clarkson 2.0 when we should have been the next Geelong.
