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Why change to Port just to make a pointToo large. I’m cancelling our gold memberships and will try and change our club supported to Port for our AO memberships but I don’t expect that will make a difference. I’ll probably be the only AO member to do that and any other membership cancellations will be replaced by the wait list I presume. I won’t be cancelling our women’s memberships though.
He called me after my email correspondence with him last year.It almost reads like it wasn't important enough an email so Fagan sent it to someone with nothing important to do to respond. In this case Birdman.
Signed it Fages. Lol
If you're gonna feign hysterical you gotta go all the way man, ya gotta own it!Why change to Port just to make a point
They are from him, i spoke to him after oneI am surprised at the writing style.
Almost like he is writing to a mate and not a supporter he doesnt know.
I would assume he would get tons of these emails and a PA would filter them and have a generic response with a few edits to personalise each one to match the initial email. With Fages possibly never seeing any of them but just getting a consolidated report on the general feeling of these emails.
This does not read like that at all.
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I am surprised at the writing style.
Almost like he is writing to a mate and not a supporter he doesnt know.
OK, I've read a lot and I'd like to offer my thoughts, being as objective and unemotional as I can.
None of us can say for sure what is going on inside the club, or in particular inside the heads of those who are running it. But I think we can say, objectively and without melting, that there are three key influences, which in some combination can negatively impact the decision-making by the club, and these don't just exist in the minds of disgruntled supporters, IMO they are real.
1. Complacency. The club knows that they have a loyal band of supporters and members who will continue to buy memberships and turn up to games, regardless of performance on the field (within reason). They know that for the club to be sound and successful, financially, all they need to do is be "competitive", make the finals on a regular basis etc. They know this, we all know it - the question is whether they have the strength of purpose to understand that it's not enough.
2. Fear of upsetting the supporters (and in particular, the Apricot Slice Brigade). The club knows that - for example - dropping or delisting a favourite player will result in a 5AA / Facebook backlash from those very same loyal supporters. They'll still keep coming to games, but they'll be angry at the club for treating a Lovely Boy (player or coach) in such a fashion. This is not about maintaining membership numbers and attendances, it's about wanting to be Liked. Which is even worse than number 1.
3. Boys' Club. Adelaide is an incestuous place, it's not what you know, it's who you know, and it's not just in football that that applies. Heck, Melbourne is incestuous too, but at least they've got a greater variety of relatives to choose from. And there is strong evidence for this when you look at the staff list (admin and coaching) of the club.
While none of can say for certain that these 3, or some combination of them, are actually what is negatively influencing the club, it is IMO certain that these influences do exist. And it's not up to the club to defend itself to disgruntled supporters by convincing us - through words - that these things are not an issue; it is up to the club, through its actions and on-field success (or heck, even on-field failure after taking bold action) to show that they aren't the joint cancer on the club that some supporters believe they are.
None of the above is particularly new / original - but I'd like add a small twist.
Numbers 1 (and a bit of number 2) in the above list are not just a weakness when it comes to the ability of the club to make bold changes. They are a strength, they are an opportunity. Why?
Because the club also knows - should know - that they can afford to take bold steps. The same rusted-on supporters who keep turning up to games regardless of lack of performance / success (and really, so they should, as supporters, by the way) are the very same supporters who will continue to do that when the club has made bold, controversial decisions and changes.
So don't knock the Apricot Slice Brigade - they're the ones who will (should) make it possible for the club to make the bold moves, even if they do stink up 5AA for a few days or weeks after one of the Lovely Boys gets dropped or delisted. Or after a legend of the club loses his coaching position.
- If, that is, the people who run the club can manage to see that.
Why change to Port just to make a point
Yeah it isWhy not? The missus is a Port supporter and has been counted as one of us, it’s not unreasonable to correct the ledger.
Yeah it is
Switching you're membership to Port to prove a point...... That's ridiculous.No it’s not, it’s only a couple of numbers on a membership tally. Given that I don’t get to vote at the AGM and even if I did it’s not meaningful, the only power that I have is to reduce their membership number by 2 and the cash that comes with the gold upgrade.
Switching you're membership to Port to prove a point...... That's ridiculous.
Great post.OK, I've read a lot and I'd like to offer my thoughts, being as objective and unemotional as I can.
None of us can say for sure what is going on inside the club, or in particular inside the heads of those who are running it. But I think we can say, objectively and without melting, that there are three key influences, which in some combination can negatively impact the decision-making by the club, and these don't just exist in the minds of disgruntled supporters, IMO they are real.
1. Complacency. The club knows that they have a loyal band of supporters and members who will continue to buy memberships and turn up to games, regardless of performance on the field (within reason). They know that for the club to be sound and successful, financially, all they need to do is be "competitive", make the finals on a regular basis etc. They know this, we all know it - the question is whether they have the strength of purpose to understand that it's not enough.
2. Fear of upsetting the supporters (and in particular, the Apricot Slice Brigade). The club knows that - for example - dropping or delisting a favourite player will result in a 5AA / Facebook backlash from those very same loyal supporters. They'll still keep coming to games, but they'll be angry at the club for treating a Lovely Boy (player or coach) in such a fashion. This is not about maintaining membership numbers and attendances, it's about wanting to be Liked. Which is even worse than number 1.
3. Boys' Club. Adelaide is an incestuous place, it's not what you know, it's who you know, and it's not just in football that that applies. Heck, Melbourne is incestuous too, but at least they've got a greater variety of relatives to choose from. And there is strong evidence for this when you look at the staff list (admin and coaching) of the club.
While none of can say for certain that these 3, or some combination of them, are actually what is negatively influencing the club, it is IMO certain that these influences do exist. And it's not up to the club to defend itself to disgruntled supporters by convincing us - through words - that these things are not an issue; it is up to the club, through its actions and on-field success (or heck, even on-field failure after taking bold action) to show that they aren't the joint cancer on the club that some supporters believe they are.
None of the above is particularly new / original - but I'd like add a small twist.
Numbers 1 (and a bit of number 2) in the above list are not just a weakness when it comes to the ability of the club to make bold changes. They are a strength, they are an opportunity. Why?
Because the club also knows - should know - that they can afford to take bold steps. The same rusted-on supporters who keep turning up to games regardless of lack of performance / success (and really, so they should, as supporters, by the way) are the very same supporters who will continue to do that when the club has made bold, controversial decisions and changes.
So don't knock the Apricot Slice Brigade - they're the ones who will (should) make it possible for the club to make the bold moves, even if they do stink up 5AA for a few days or weeks after one of the Lovely Boys gets dropped or delisted. Or after a legend of the club loses his coaching position.
- If, that is, the people who run the club can manage to see that.
. The operational leverage of our economics is such that we need 40-50k.
The swing voters are what kills us. The supporters who need enough success to sustain interest, without any real ambition behind it
The apricot slice, and the fervently ambitious and hungry for ultimate success supporters are part of the solution; and you are right to single out the apricot slicers for credit.
Those who claim to want success but don’t really, those people are the problem. The club is forced to pander to them. To narrow the corridor of results to low volatility shifts year on year
If Fagan/Pyke were to release a joint 5 plan which is the clubs vision on how we secure our next flag - then I’m absolutely on board with that.
If it speaks to bold moves supporting a clear pathway - I could give a crap about any pain along the way.
So you’re dead right, why on earth don’t they leverage loyalty? Imagine creating a fireproof business model - but then treating it as set/forget.
Those who claim to want success but don’t really, those people are the problem. The club is forced to pander to them.
Great post.
Boiling that down to the micro ie me, what I find so frustrating is a sense that, even though I am indeed a rusted on member, the club does not trust me to keep turning up come what may.
If Fagan/Pyke were to release a joint 5 plan which is the clubs vision on how we secure our next flag - then I’m absolutely on board with that.
If it speaks to bold moves supporting a clear pathway - I could give a crap about any pain along the way.
So you’re dead right, why on earth don’t they leverage loyalty? Imagine creating a fireproof business model - but then treating it as set/forget.
Very frustrating
Sanders, I agree with you on most things, but I can't agree here (although I suspect this is more of an observation, than your opinion).
The AFC isn't forced to pander to anybody; they do it because they are pissweak, and because self-preservation over performance has become a culturally accepted approach.
Dreaming I thinkWait, didn't Fagan promise to release a strategic plan detailing how we would drive success over the next few years?
Do I remember that right, or am I dreaming?
Wait, didn't Fagan promise to release a strategic plan detailing how we would drive success over the next few years?
Do I remember that right, or am I dreaming?
He's got a get-out-of-jail card thanks to the women's team.
This is the Trigg era all over again.