What is the worst team in AFL history?

[Tiger2709]

Is it better to bottom out and win a flag one day, or be Melbourne over the last 44 years?

Just unfortunate that they met juggernauts in '88 and '00. Howevere they were their own worst enemy in '87 and '02.

Melbourne have bottomed out twice in that list and Carlton 3 times neither are any closer to a flag for all their tanking, shows there are no guarantees, no matter what you do,

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Melbourne 2012

The same 2012 Demons team which led Fremantle up until midway through the final term the last time we played - with Fremantle only winning because of the three injuries we sustained during that match, meaning we were down to one on the bench by halfway through the third quarter?

Not to mention that we're carrying the longest injury list in the AFL, and have been for months now.

So, pigs' arse, as that well-known corporate criminal would say!

 

[Partridge]

Is it better to bottom out and win a flag one day, or be Melbourne over the last 44 years?

Just unfortunate that they met juggernauts in '88 and '00. Howevere they were their own worst enemy in '87 and '02.

To be fair, in 1988 they only won 13 games during the home and away season. Their eventual Grand Final opponents won 19. No wonder they got hammered.

 

[Partridge]

I knew even before Greater Western Sydney’s recent thrashings that their percentage would have been the lowest by any team since Melbourne in 1919 and it is lower than any of University’s percentages between 1911 and 1914.

However, now Greater Western Sydney have a percentage lower than Melbourne in 1919 their percentage stands as the lowest since St. Kilda in 1902 - that is for 110 years! In 1902, St. Kilda’s minimum losing margin was seven points - ironically the closest they got to a win was against eventual premiers Collingwood - but they were less uncompetitive than in 1901 when they did win once against Carlton. If Greater Western Sydney’s percentage keeps falling they could even surpass St. Kilda in 1902.

It’s interesting to speculate what is wrong with Greater Western Sydney and what the AFL will do if they - like Hawthorn and North Melbourne in their early years in the VFL - remain uncompetitive for a very long time. Hawthorn and North Melbourne did not generally do as badly as Greater Western Sydney are doing now, but they had awful financial problems that prevented them competing for good players.

GWS have got this one covered. They are just utter shit. And I don't care what alleged "excuses" they have. To me they have none. We've had to put up with Sheedy's horseshit for 6 months telling us how he's going to raid the competition, everyone fears them in years to come, whatever you insane fool.

Here's some facts Kev - your team is a disgrace, you were sacked last time you were a senior coach and you're repeating that form superbly.

Hope they cop 5 very heavy losses to finish the season off.

 

[JimmyDE]

The same 2012 Demons team which led Fremantle up until midway through the final term the last time we played - with Fremantle only winning because of the three injuries we sustained during that match, meaning we were down to one on the bench by halfway through the third quarter?

Not to mention that we're carrying the longest injury list in the AFL, and have been for months now.

So, pigs' arse, as that well-known corporate criminal would say!

in that freo and essendon game (which is the only 2 times a year Melbourne try) have been their best game by a long way, they have been shocking this year would of thought they would at least get 6 wins but injury does hurt teams seen it with mine an west coast over the last few seasons. Good luck

 

[Demonheart]

Facts on GWS' percentage and more here.
http://www.users.on.net/~rogersresults/Rogers_Results/home.htm#match9

So, you have to go back more than a century to find a worse team, even after all their concessions?

Well done Sheeds

 

[Demonheart]

Melbourne have bottomed out twice in that list and Carlton 3 times neither are any closer to a flag for all their tanking, shows there are no guarantees, no matter what you do,

No guarantees, except for Richmond imploding late in the season and stuffing up yet another chance to play finals.

 

[Spector]

Fremantle have the worst record of any club.

 

[BLPC08]

GWS have got this one covered. They are just utter shit. And I don't care what alleged "excuses" they have. To me they have none. We've had to put up with Sheedy's horseshit for 6 months telling us how he's going to raid the competition, everyone fears them in years to come, whatever you insane fool.

Here's some facts Kev - your team is a disgrace, you were sacked last time you were a senior coach and you're repeating that form superbly.

No idea champ. Sheedy's job is to promote the team and draw publicity - obviously he knows that a bunch of kids aren't going to defeat experienced senior players, but how is he going to sell a team by telling everyone how crap they are?

They're going to be bloody good in the future, they have showed in patches this year how talented they are - give it time and you'll be complaining how good they are.
Hope they cop 5 very heavy losses to finish the season off

 

[IanW]

No idea champ. Sheedy's job is to promote the team and draw publicity - obviously he knows that a bunch of kids aren't going to defeat experienced senior players, but how is he going to sell a team by telling everyone how crap they are?

They're going to be bloody good in the future, they have showed in patches this year how talented they are - give it time and you'll be complaining how good they are.
Hope they cop 5 very heavy losses to finish the season off

Its actually worse than that - to get here in the thread, he'd have needed to have read about the 1990 Brisbane Bears side.

Becoming that side is what GWS has to avoid ... being in their fourth season and being total, complete and utter rubbish, as the spuds they signed from the state leagues show why they were in the state leagues, and the free agents they signed in their prime from other clubs begin to slide.

Therefore, we bet on youth with our free agents, and then bet on youth with our trades of 17 year olds, and then bet on youth with our draft picks.

To back that up, we frequently rest our handful of older players, so we can bet on youth.

Yeah, the kids are melting in the furnace that is AFL football - when they dont get blown away to start, then they run out of legs and it gets ugly.

So, yeah, I dont worry about having the worst percentage since University in 1911, or that when this thread is readdressed in 10 years people will talk about the 2012 GWS side. What I worry about is how many of the kids will come out of the fire battle-hardened, and how many of those we can afford to keep.

 

[UpForGrabs]

The one thing I don't get I'd that even if, as some say, that GWS are the worst team in history, why is everybody so offended?

If they're that bad then it's a guaranteed 4 points for your team. Unless you barrack for the Gold Coast.

They'll get better, so just hope that in the years to come they don't get so good that they start to exact revenge for some of the beatings they've been handed this year.

 

[juzz_e]

2006 - Carlton Blues - 1 - 74.16%

This one is wrong, we were 3 Wins, 1 Draw. Still awful, but not historically so

 

[Demonheart]

The one thing I don't get I'd that even if, as some say, that GWS are the worst team in history, why is everybody so offended?

If they're that bad then it's a guaranteed 4 points for your team. Unless you barrack for the Gold Coast.

They'll get better, so just hope that in the years to come they don't get so good that they start to exact revenge for some of the beatings they've been handed this year.

The answer to that is simple. The AFL will continue to give them concessions and money until they are successful, they are guaranteed success. there is no doubt about that. The sooner they get to the top the better for the rest of the teams.
Unfortunately Sheedy and co have ****ed it up and this process is now going to take much longer, everyone suffers because of their stupidity.

 

[Demonheart]

To back that up, we frequently rest our handful of older players, so we can bet on youth..

Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

The reason why your senior players are often rested is because they were all retired and past it, you have no choice. Your team got greedy with draft picks and didn't get enough experienced talent on your list. this is the result, 41%, the worst since WW1, and crowds to match. You're just lucky that the AFL will do whatever it takes to guarantee your success.

meh, any premiership your team wins will always have an * next to it, same as Brisbane and Sydney.

 

[treefingers]

The same 2012 Demons team which led Fremantle up until midway through the final term the last time we played - with Fremantle only winning because of the three injuries we sustained during that match, meaning we were down to one on the bench by halfway through the third quarter?

Is this a Melbourne supporters definition of success?

 

[estibador]

Is this a Melbourne supporters definition of success?

You're talking to a guy who had a sig for weeks bragging about beating GWS.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Clearly I was spotlighting the stupidity of those running around this board before that match - and there were many - proclaiming Franchise Two as somehow being a "superior team", who were going to "smash" us.

You make a call as desperately dumb as that, you wear the public embarrassment afterwards. That's how it works.

No point complaining when you're exposed for such idiocy.

Is this a Melbourne supporters definition of success?

Why would you even bother posting that on the main board. You don't actually intend that as a serious question, do you...

 

[Demonheart]

You're talking to a guy who had a sig for weeks bragging about beating GWS.

Well, make hay while the sun shines, I guess

 

[Gibbke]

GWS may go down as the side with the worst ever percentage but they would have very competitive, if not beaten most early 1990's sides.

No they wouldn't. You could only put forward the Bears, Swans, Lions and a few cameo appearances from Richmond as teams that were vulnerably bad for this comparison, but GWS are worse than all of them...

The Swans and Lions at their worst were pretty bad, but they still managed to beat some highly ranked teams, often inexplicably. Fitzroy taking West Coast especially spring to mind in 1991. The Bears had no hope of climbing the ladder but their 2nd rate side always managed far more respectable looking scoreboards in a higher scoring era. A necessary rebuild with youth, and they endured some ugly days in 1992 before starting to play pretty well. Richmond were never as bad as any of these teams...

Outside GC, who I tipped them to beat, and some close scoreboards against Richmond and maybe one or two others, GWS haven't looked like winning a game, and have been hopelessly outclassed all season. They were supposed to struggle as the season wore on, but they really do look like a TAC cup side up against adults at the moment...Sheedy is right, there is improvement on the way, and they are being taught well - GWS's best this year has looked far more structured and disciplined than anything GC have put up, even when losing - but they are not an AFL competitive unit...

 

[patsmith]

You make a call as desperately dumb as that, you wear the public embarrassment afterwards. That's how it works.

As you would well know...

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Project fault onto the person who pointed it out -> ? -> profit.

As you would well know...

Go ahead and show where I've made such a call.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Fitzroy taking West Coast especially spring to mind in 1991.

That was a beautiful day, to say the least. We'd shown we were capable of springing a result like that earlier on in the year too, when we beat Geelong by 21...

 

[footballfreak]

Fremantle

 

[IanW]

Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

The reason why your senior players are often rested is because they were all retired and past it, you have no choice. Your team got greedy with draft picks and didn't get enough experienced talent on your list. this is the result, 41%, the worst since WW1, and crowds to match. You're just lucky that the AFL will do whatever it takes to guarantee your success.

meh, any premiership your team wins will always have an * next to it, same as Brisbane and Sydney.

No, Demonheart, when I piss on you, I'll just piss on you.

My club has never thrown games for draft picks, unlike Melbourne or Carlton. We've gone out there with teams full of kids, but unlike your club, we've never gone out there with the coaching staff trying to lose.

"You can't expect a player to go out there and not try ... (but) I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/bailey-admits-tanking-for-demons/story-fn6ck6f9-1226106229997

No one has any idea which kids will come good. Roughly one in three great kids becomes a great player, one in three becomes a useful player and one in three bounces out of the league.

We therefore signed about twenty great kids, accepting we'd take our lumps this year.

Cameron. Coniglio. Greene. Hampton. Bugg. Shiel. Tomlinson.

They've been tested in the fire, and we can build a team out of them.

Good luck with rebuilding around your mercenary, who publicly committed to another club before you offered enough cash to get him to sign. Clark was a great signing, and the way Melbourne has fallen back to the 2011 rabble after he was injured shows he was worth every cent.

So, yes, enjoy every (*) next to every win Melbourne get, because

"You can't expect a player to go out there and not try ... (but) I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

 

[Demonheart]

No, Demonheart, when I piss on you, I'll just piss on you.

My club has never thrown games for draft picks, unlike Melbourne or Carlton. We've gone out there with teams full of kids, but unlike your club, we've never gone out there with the coaching staff trying to lose.

"You can't expect a player to go out there and not try ... (but) I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/bailey-admits-tanking-for-demons/story-fn6ck6f9-1226106229997

No one has any idea which kids will come good. Roughly one in three great kids becomes a great player, one in three becomes a useful player and one in three bounces out of the league.

We therefore signed about twenty great kids, accepting we'd take our lumps this year.

Cameron. Coniglio. Greene. Hampton. Bugg. Shiel. Tomlinson.

They've been tested in the fire, and we can build a team out of them.

Good luck with rebuilding around your mercenary, who publicly committed to another club before you offered enough cash to get him to sign. Clark was a great signing, and the way Melbourne has fallen back to the 2011 rabble after he was injured shows he was worth every cent.

So, yes, enjoy every (*) next to every win Melbourne get, because

"You can't expect a player to go out there and not try ... (but) I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

LOL, what a friggen joke, GWS started tanking even before the season started. There was no way that Sheedy was ever going to allow your team to not finish last and get the 1st pick again, he'll do it again next year. Other teams have tanked but GWS has turned it into an art form. You're just angry because you know it's true, by taking all kids and retired players GWs tanked.

As for comments about mercenaries, LOL what a joke. $1.1m a year, I don't even have to say his name and everyone knows who I'm talking about. What a waste of money, how soon before the kids overtake him and question his income? From what I've heard it's started already. At least our mercenary is a bloody good footballer.

GWS are terrible, your training facilities and grounds are a joke and Sheedy provides the AFL with nothing but comic relief. It's pathetic seeing him beg for another contract while your real coach is treated like crap. In fact, GWS are so bad they make Melbourne look like a decent team in comparison, now that's bad. The worst team for a century, not since teams were decimated by WW1 has there been worse.

But, even with all those **** ups GWS will be successful, because they'll feed at the AFL's tit until they win at least one premiership. GWS weas created to increase AFL exposure in NSW and to increase the value of the TV rights. Calling them a franchise is generous, GWS exists to give the rest of the teams more money, calling them a club is laughable.

You can say anything you want about Melbourne, I don't care, but I know that you know what I'm saying is true because of the way you got so defensive and went on the attack of my club, you've got a glass jaw, next time try a little harder to hide the fact.