Why do workers vote Liberal?

[Boronia67]

Inheritance tax. Family trusts. Negative gearing. Companies actually paying tax. They're all significant.

My issue here is why workers vote Liberal plutocrat when it is antithetical to their best interests. An earlier post showed that you're are regarded as a casual worker if it says so in your work contract even if you're working full time.

Then there's the whole casualisation of the workforce which has further robbed workers of bargaining power and benefits.

Every wage hearing the Liberals fight wage increases.

They have removed penalty rates in hospitality and are working to extend the removal.

The tax burden is inequitable.

Underpayment of wages is rampant.

There are incessant attacks on unions while big business is given virtually free rein.

Robodebt unmercifully attacked the least among us with threats and intimidation while there was no retribution when it came to companies who profited from Jobkeeper.

Note the pattern.

You have a worker vs business mentality. Most of the example you gave regarding the Liberals attacking workers are actually examples of the Liberals helping business flourish in order to create more jobs and higher wages.

 

[Donakebab]

The LNP ran a Royal Commission into Unions just to attack Shorten and Gillard, yet it's Labor who are vengeful...

Need to pay more attention to what's actually going on.

 

[Kyptastic]

You have a worker vs business mentality. Most of the example you gave regarding the Liberals attacking workers are actually examples of the Liberals helping business flourish in order to create more jobs and higher wages.

Wage growth has been dropping for the entirety of this Liberal government. They keep predicting upticks every budget, but it goes the opposite way



Cutting penalty rates, which was sold as a way of creating more jobs, has created barely any jobs, just led to a greater wealth transfer from the employee to the employer.

Cutting penalty rates was supposed to create jobs. It hasn’t, and here’s why not

Australia’s Fair Work Commission concluded that cutting penalty rates would create more jobs. Our research suggests it was wrong.

theconversation.com

The Liberals talk a lot, but in the end, all their actions lead to workers being worse off.

 

[madmug]

Agreed, but if I am persuaded that those things are not under threat in the lead up to an election it does not push me towards voting Labor.

I also believe people should be nice to minorities. When people say 'woke' they generally refer to acting with an exaggerated concern for those things. For example, was it reasonable for Albo to publicly call out Bill Shorten for having too many white people in a commercial? And then for Bill Shorten to say yes you're right, Anthony, I am sorry for the skin colour of the people in that video. It's repellent and weird. But it runs deeper than that when we're talking about the working class. Take, say, a white truck driver who makes $70,000 a year - a modest income. The messaging from Labor is that they are prioritising making sure enough Indigenous people are working on government infrastructure projects, enough women are in trades, construction sites have gender neutral bathrooms, and there are enough females his company's board of directors. He can be forgiven for thinking that Labor have everyone's back but his.

Labor talk a disproportionate amount about Jobseekers and people who are otherwise living on benefits. This is not the working class. This is the not-working class.
I think they deserve the right to not work and still survive. I don't think a Liberal vote places that under threat.

No, not always. I think just sometimes the dial needs to be adjusted in favour of the businesses. Other times I don't. I'm not a libertarian or any rubbish like that.


Maybe. I have no doubt my boss makes 5x my salary. I don't believe they work 5x harder than me, but they definitely have 5x the responsibility.

I agree. I want Labor to continue to exist for this reason. Do the people posting in this thread understand the LNP's place in the workings of this country? Or do they see the LNP as a disease which needs to be cured? I think we both know.


I agree. We need a strong police force and social safety nets that prevents people at the bottom resorting to crime. At this time I don't think Australia's welfare entitlements are so mean so as to encourage criminal activity - again, subject to change.

I can't. It's just a vibe I pick up. Labor have just always seemed like they think forming government would be setting things morally right. I can't back it up with anything.

The behaviour of passionate Labor voters is an overwhelming pattern, though. For example, I've never seen a forum where all the Liberal voters get together and decide for themselves that elections were lost because more than 50% of the population is actually ret*rded. It's a level of sanctimony that is unique to the left, and the idea of vindicating their views with an election outcome is offputting.

Basically I want to retire with a 'nest egg' that would allow me to retire with somewhat more than what I'll be drawing from Superannuation. This equates to about $1m which seems like a lot but actually isn't when you consider its intended use over a couple of decades. One doesn't need a vivid imagination to envisage Labor deciding that possession of such a 'nest egg' would make me 'the top end of town' and make the necessary adjustments. I think Labor now have a track record for deciding arbitrarily who the 'haves' and 'have nots' are.

Garbage.

The ALP, Paul Keating no less, created the widespread access to the Superannuation system.ie it was once only for your 'top end of town- types. It was designed to take the pressure of future pension needs & give workers a decent standard of retirement. By now it should represent about 15% of wages going into super funds. It doesn't, thanks to the LNP.

The LNP have tried to stifle it at every opportunity. Delaying the % paid into super funds, pushing to restrict industry super funds, (which have shown far better returns for its customers!!) in favour of private (rip off) funds.

So maybe you should be more worried about LNP 'sticky fingers'.

 

[ElectricG]

Is it possible you're the sort of voter that scare campaigns work on? I don't mean that as an insult and I'm not implying anything negative about your intelligence or character. I'm just saying, some voters can be swayed by being told that things they value are under threat, but don't feel strongly otherwise.

I would argue that what I'm saying makes me less likely to be the kind of voter scare campaigns work on. I don't go into every election believing that any industrial relations policy being presented by the LNP constitutes "Workchoices 2.0".

Does it make a difference to your life? I can see how someone might find that cringy if they don't think ethnic representation is important, but why would anyone feel so strongly as to consider that "repellent"?

I think it is evidence that they are capable of going on Quixotic campaigns against things that don't exist, and are likely to allocate resources to them. This is a bad thing. Just to pre-empt your reply, I don't think racism doesn't exist, I think it didn't exist in the Labor video, but they thought it was potentially worth some public in-fighting.

Doesn't that truck driver have it better than an indigenous person in a similar position, or a woman seeking to break into such a male-dominated industry as truck driving? Can't imagine he'd face a lot of sexual harassment at work or be rejected from jobs because a manager took a look at him and thought he might steal something.

I do see the point about working class white men feeling left out of messaging, and that's why I like seeing messaging that highlights class issues, which should be the real struggle in society. But I would note two things:

1. Not addressing inequalities that are based on race, gender, sexuality or able-bodiedness doesn't make them go away, it just brushes them under the carpet. Should we try and solve those things as a society, or should we neglect them because talking about them upsets some people?
2. Labor, and the left in general, have largely kept their mouths shut about "woke" issues for a while now. The only major exception is the rape and sexual harassment scandals that have plagued the federal LNP this year, but you'd expect any opposition to make hay out of such a shameful and embarrassing situation for the Government. Beyond that, I can't remember the last time Labor publicly spoke up about LGBT issues, and I've only seen one announcement by the Greens on the topic in this election cycle (plus a separate one for disabled people).

I mean, can we please set a ground rule? When is it okay to vote out of self-interest? I've already made this point a few times now, but why are LNP voters being accused of voting against their self interest, and in the same breath being expected to vote in the interest of these minority groups?

I don't think "what can you do for me?" has ever been a controversial question to be asking when heading to the polls. Has this changed? Is the expectation that I go in to vote on behalf of the LGBTs?

Also, could you point out to me where Labor have specifically talked about ensuring construction sites have gender-neutral bathrooms? All I can find is one news story from April where Worksafe Victoria were assessing whether employers should have to do so. While Worksafe do report to the Victorian Government, they do have their own Chief Executive and Board of Directors, so there's clearly some level of delegated decision-making, it's not all just orders from the government the whole way.

Perhaps they didn't. But you know they'd support it.

Labor aren't stupid, they know full well that there are many more workers than welfare recipients, and they want a majority of 2PP votes.

They make these things hard to know..

Doesn't it? The Liberal Party are known for screwing people on welfare if they can get away with it. I point you to the 2014 budget, where the Liberals stopped anyone under 25 from getting Newstart and stopped anyone under 30 from getting it for six months. In fact, they wanted to ban anyone under 30 from getting it at all. They also screwed over single parents and low-income families in general, and pensioners. Many of these policies have since been ditched, but it shows what the Liberal Party will do if they get the chance. And I haven't even mentioned the cashless welfare card.

You're probably right, but I know a lot of people living under these circumstances. I'm not persuaded that their situation is dire. As per my original post, I'm comfortable with prioritising my family's goals and aspirations over their aspirations to get more welfare.

Fair enough. Do you think the balance is in favour of workers or businesses right now?

Agnostic at this time.

How do you determine if the responsibility to income ratio is fair? Would it continue to remain fair if your boss started making more money without any real increase in responsibility?

I really wouldn't care in the slightest so long as I'm being paid fairly. They're the ones shouldering all the risk.

You feel what you feel, and I won't criticise you for doing so. I'd just encourage you to explore what causes you to feel that vibe. The attitude of a particular Labor politician? The way the media portray them? The answer might be illuminating.

I've just had a look at their Facebook page. I don't know, maybe it's the fact that they keep losing and not learning anything from it - just doubling down on the narrative that LNP are evil bigots who need to be vanquished.

No, it's definitely not unique to the left. I can't speak for others, but I for one don't think most voters in conservative wins are r*****ed, though of course I disagree with their choice. I just think they've been fooled into voting for rich people's best interests rather than their own, due to various sideshows the media are intentionally peddling to distract them. This can range from how awful immigrants are, to how awful "woke" people are, to which leader you'd rather have a beer with. It's all designed to play on our emotions, especially fear of other people trying to change what we're used to.

I think it is unique to the left. Granted you've found one instance where it's happening the other way around. But this isn't the pattern.

Why's that? You know Labor introduced superannuation specifically to avoid having to support people in old age, right? This is why Labor has never (to my knowledge, happy to be corrected) gone after large super nest eggs for extra taxes. They did introduce the Division 293 income rule for taxing super contributions at a higher rate, but the Coalition preserved it and also reduced the income threshold it kicked in at, so it's not like it's a major point of difference. Taxing you for the size of your super would be counterproductive to their aim. Not even the Greens intend to count super in regular income tax, let alone Labor.

I'm not talking about Super, I'm talking about an investment I run in parallel to Super that behaves similarly. Just as example, at the last election "people who negative gear" were in Shorten's conversation about "the top end of town".

 

[madmug]

I would argue that what I'm saying makes me less likely to be the kind of voter scare campaigns work on. I don't go into lection believing that any industrial relations policy being presented by the LNP constitutes "Workchoices 2.0".


I'm not talking about Super, I'm talking about an investment I run in parallel to Super that behaves similarly. Just as example, at the last election "people who negative gear" were in Shorten's conversation about "the top end of town".

The policy was designed to allow negative gearing for new properties & stop the repeated milking of the Treasury by repeated negative gearing on old properties ad neuseam. Indeed it was good economic policy. It would stimulate productive building, help control the massive property price rises & still enable people to enter the property market more easily.

 

[Power Raid]

Wage growth has been dropping for the entirety of this Liberal government. They keep predicting upticks every budget, but it goes the opposite way

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Cutting penalty rates, which was sold as a way of creating more jobs, has created barely any jobs, just led to a greater wealth transfer from the employee to the employer.

Cutting penalty rates was supposed to create jobs. It hasn’t, and here’s why not

Australia’s Fair Work Commission concluded that cutting penalty rates would create more jobs. Our research suggests it was wrong.

theconversation.com

The Liberals talk a lot, but in the end, all their actions lead to workers being worse off.

this is just a silly post which ignores context.

wage growth at 4%, during the exploration boom (until 2007) and the mining boom that followed, is not only unsustainable but dangerous for the nation. So that is not a great starting point on the graph.

wage growth has to be linked to productivity growth and can you post a graph for that?

it is also reasonable to expect we won't have wage growth for a century as the rest of the world catches up. As we no longer have a competitive advantage to the rest of the world, as we have given up cheap power at $0.04 kwh. A change we probably had to do but the result is manufacturing continues to leave our shores and with it jobs.

Wait until we close down our largest industry, being mining, for similar reasons.

 

[Kyptastic]

this is just a silly post which ignores context.

wage growth at 4%, during the exploration boom (until 2007) and the mining boom that followed, is not only unsustainable but dangerous for the nation. So that is not a great starting point on the graph.

wage growth has to be linked to productivity growth and can you post a graph for that?

it is also reasonable to expect we won't have wage growth for a century as the rest of the world catches up. As we no longer have a competitive advantage to the rest of the world, as we have given up cheap power at $0.04 kwh. A change we probably had to do but the result is manufacturing continues to leave our shores and with it jobs.

Wait until we close down our largest industry, being mining, for similar reasons.

That may be true, but the Liberals keep budgeting for mythical upticks in wages without justifying how it’s going to happen. Either they’re incompetent or they’re lying.

 

[Power Raid]

That may be true, but the Liberals keep budgeting for mythical upticks in wages without justifying how it’s going to happen. Either they’re incompetent or they’re lying.

there will be no surpluses in the short term (let alone ever being able to pay down this debt) and there will be no wage increases on a 5-year average above 2% in real terms this century (outside war and covid)

Sadly we don't have honest politics in Oz and probably doesn't exist anywhere. I wonder if that is a reflection of politics or us as an electorate?

 

[Run n Spread]

Worker type here. But reasons
I will vote liberal (never) it is a matter of who gets preferenced first. Both last.
But there is no way in hell I will ever ever trust Labor again. These last 2 years have shown their true colours. They have destroyed the people they claim to represent and gone off on an ideological bent and ripped the heart out of their electorates. These lockdowns and non sensical rules are poison.
Liberals are the sort who will cruise back and do Jack shit but sweep in and use these new powers for their own ends.
But in answer to OP workers will vote against Labor (I.e liberal because people are too stupid or exhausted or whatever to think otherwise and just vote opposite) because they are complete sell outs to what they claim to represent and are happy to literally throw their base under a river. They have no understanding of peoples needs wants or struggles just grubs. Get a bit of power snatch it and **** everyone. Arseholes

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I'm interested in knowing why PAYEE workers and employees generally vote Liberal when it is antithetical to their best interests.

I understand why those born with a silver spoon in every orifice who live a privileged existence like Millie want to protect their privileged lifestyle and let the workers "eat cake". However for the workers, under the Liberal stewardship:

1. Wages have stagnated. Every occasion there is a wage case put to the Liberal stacked Fair Work Commission the Liberals fight tooth and nail to oppose it.

2. The Liberals have casualised the workforce thereby robbing workers of job security and bargaining power and is a major factor in underemployment.

3. Whenever there are tax cuts it's the top end who are by far the major beneficiaries.

4. Executive pay has exploded as have payouts to failed executives.

5. The Liberals have sat on their hands while the big end of town has rorted the system. No better example than the banks.

6. Underpayment of workers is rife.

7. The Liberals wet dream is to Americanise the workforce where workers have to have little security, the pay is so poor workers need to work 2 and 3 jobs to keep a roof over their heads and in industries like hospitality and tourism rely on tips to survive.

8. Shown they have no genuine regard for women

9. Left us with a record deficit.

10. Want to privatise every government asset they can get a return on and do it stealthily - most recently Australia Post.

11. Waste millions of taxpayer funds on consultant mates.

12. "Dob Seeker" is an attack on the least among us.

All of what you’re talking about here relates to governing.

That’s quite different to what the issue is really, and that’s the business of winning elections.

The Liberals have a far more effective business model.

Chief among it is the capture of the media. Owning the media in a stable society like Australia is absolutely central to winning elections.

The Liberals understand this, Labor doesn’t seem to. It’s why the Liberals are making constant attacks on social media - they know it’s an existential threat to them.

If Albanese got on a plane to see Murdoch tomorrow and said I want your support and I’ll give you what you want to get it, he’d win the next election in a landslide.

It actually wouldn’t cost that much in relative terms. And the country would still be far better off than it ever would be under this steaming pile of shit Morrison.

But they don’t seem to be pragmatic enough to just do it.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

All of what you’re talking about here relates to governing.

That’s quite different to what the issue is really, and that’s the business of winning elections.

The Liberals have a far more effective business model.

Chief among it is the capture of the media. Owning the media in a stable society like Australia is absolutely central to winning elections.

The Liberals understand this, Labor doesn’t seem to. It’s why the Liberals are making constant attacks on social media - they know it’s an existential threat to them.

If Albanese got on a plane to see Murdoch tomorrow and said I want your support and I’ll give you what you want to get it, he’d win the next election in a landslide.

It actually wouldn’t cost that much in relative terms. And the country would still be far better off than it ever would be under this steaming pile of sh*t Morrison.

But they don’t seem to be pragmatic enough to just do it.

Thanks BM .Much of that is true, especially the influence of a captured media. But it doesn't really go to the heart of the matter. It doesn't explain why workers who get royally screwed year upon year in a practical sense vote for a party that boasts about caring more for big business - read only cares about big business - and gives effect to that ideology.

 

[Power Raid]

Thanks BM .Much of that is true, especially the influence of a captured media. But it doesn't really go to the heart of the matter. It doesn't explain why workers who get royally screwed year upon year in a practical sense vote for a party that boasts about caring more for big business - read only cares about big business - and gives effect to that ideology.

not suggesting portugal isn't doing well but the facts are wrong. It isn't the fastest growing in any of the last 3 years

 

[Baltimore Jack]

there will be no surpluses in the short term (let alone ever being able to pay down this debt) and there will be no wage increases on a 5-year average above 2% in real terms this century (outside war and covid)

Sadly we don't have honest politics in Oz and probably doesn't exist anywhere. I wonder if that is a reflection of politics or us as an electorate?

Says the guy who freely admits he doesn't vote

 

[Johnny Bananas]

not suggesting portugal isn't doing well but the facts are wrong. It isn't the fastest growing in any of the last 3 years

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They probably meant to say Western Europe between 2017 and 2019.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Thanks BM .Much of that is true, especially the influence of a captured media. But it doesn't really go to the heart of the matter. It doesn't explain why workers who get royally screwed year upon year in a practical sense vote for a party that boasts about caring more for big business - read only cares about big business - and gives effect to that ideology.

Because they’re simply not across the facts.

The screwing is small and incremental enough to not be immediately obvious. Which is deliberate.

Which political party you vote for in a stable country like Australia doesn’t present an *immediate* - or even generational - threat to your life or livelihood. Hence for most people, politics isn’t anywhere near a priority for them. They pay it very little mind or attention behind all the other priorities in their life.

They spend no time on it and don’t go looking for the facts / actual impact. They would only see the facts if they were plastered in front of their face.

So the LNP makes sure they’re not - a huge part of their business model is capturing the mainstream media to achieve this.

Some people say voters are dumb. I don’t think that’s the case… many are certainly ignorant, but that’s not particularly wilful in their part. It’s simply a cultural impact of many, many decades of social and economic peace and prosperity (relatively). People just don’t pay attention - they prioritise other things.

Can or will it change? Quite possibly. But these changes take years / decades to turn around.

The LNP and other similar parties around the world are in the fight of their life against the liberalisation of media. They know it. Hiding the truth is an absolute key plank of their business model.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

Because they’re simply not across the facts.

The screwing is small and incremental enough to not be immediately obvious. Which is deliberate.

Which political party you vote for in a stable country like Australia doesn’t present an *immediate* - or even generational - threat to your life or livelihood. Hence for most people, politics isn’t anywhere near a priority for them. They pay it very little mind or attention behind all the other priorities in their life.

They spend no time on it and don’t go looking for the facts / actual impact. They would only see the facts if they were plastered in front of their face.

So the LNP makes sure they’re not - a huge part of their business model is capturing the mainstream media to achieve this.

Some people say voters are dumb. I don’t think that’s the case… many are certainly ignorant, but that’s not particularly wilful in their part. It’s simply a cultural impact of many, many decades of social and economic peace and prosperity (relatively). People just don’t pay attention - they prioritise other things.

Can or will it change? Quite possibly. But these changes take years / decades to turn around.

The LNP and other similar parties around the world are in the fight of their life against the liberalisation of media. They know it. Hiding the truth is an absolute key plank of their business model.

As I’ve put BM, I appreciate the impact of the rightist media and their power and influence.

However, I’m more interested in how is it that peeps see first-hand their rights and privileges stripped away. They witness that fact through casualisation; witness their penalty rates for public holidays cut with moves for further cuts, witness their incomes reduce in real terms while the plutocrats and kleptocrats incomes jump exponentially; witness the plutocracy fight tooth and nail to against moves to redress that matter in the FWD; witness big business steal from them of through underpayment while the gov’t does no more than tut-tutting; witness their rights to negotiate to evaporate; witness super being misappropriated; witness moves to reduce safety requirements in the construction industry et al.

It’s one thing to be brainwashed by the medya. It’s another to see first-hand how anti-worker the reactionaries are, yet appear to be oblivious to it. And I don't for a minute subscribe to your view that "Which political party you vote for in a stable country like Australia doesn’t present an *immediate* - or even generational - threat to your life or livelihood."

You'd think when matters that so personally adversely affect peeps they might stop and ponder. You can't attribute that sort of ambivalence solely to the influence of the medya

 

[kranky al]

there are definitely issue with many of the items you raise but a complete lack of understanding has "family trusts" and "negative gearing" lumped with the others.

These concepts shouldn't be scrapped......just the opposite, they should be promoted by all for all. As they provide the most efficient and fairest tax outcomes.

Same said with the casualisation of work forces. This is a positive thing but obviously it can go too far. By the way, have you ever caught an uber?

Read a stat that more people bought their 7th house in 2019 than people bought their 1st.

negative gearing should only apply to one property.

 

[Power Raid]

Read a stat that more people bought their 7th house in 2019 than people bought their 1st.

negative gearing should only apply to one property.

It is still failed logic as the new rules proposed by the greens and labour would favour the wealthy (thus the 7th owner) and hurt the first buyer further.

The issue can only be remedied fairly by a Weath tax.

 

[Kwality]

Garbage.

The ALP, Paul Keating no less, created the widespread access to the Superannuation system.ie it was once only for your 'top end of town- types. It was designed to take the pressure of future pension needs & give workers a decent standard of retirement. By now it should represent about 15% of wages going into super funds. It doesn't, thanks to the LNP.

The LNP have tried to stifle it at every opportunity. Delaying the % paid into super funds, pushing to restrict industry super funds, (which have shown far better returns for its customers!!) in favour of private (rip off) funds.

So maybe you should be more worried about LNP 'sticky fingers'.

What has been its effect on wages?
Increasing wage costs that are not reflected in 'take home' pay, i.e the real measure for any worker.
You cant pay your rent/house payment with your Super.

There are more than LNP 'sticky fingers' at play as I'm sure you are aware.

Lack of wages growth is an indictment of the Morrison Government & can be a real influence if the election campaign is targetted at the swinging voter not the party faithful.

 

[madmug]

It is still failed logic as the new rules proposed by the greens and labour would favour the wealthy (thus the 7th owner) and hurt the first buyer further.

The issue can only be remedied fairly by a Weath tax.

The ALP policy was to allow negative gearing on new properties.

Thus it would have been the productive use of a tax deduction. If someone wanted to build 7 houses then so be it. It would be a great benefit for the economy.

Once again, like Medicare, NBN, Superannuation, the LNP would rather kill them through spite than admit the benefit the confer on the country.

As if the LNP would ever allow a wealth tax, no matter how much damage it does to the prospects of our young, & the working & middle classes.

LNP, the party for the 1950's.

 

[Saint]

As I’ve put BM, I appreciate the impact of the rightist media and their power and influence.

However, I’m more interested in how is it that peeps see first-hand their rights and privileges stripped away. They witness that fact through casualisation; witness their penalty rates for public holidays cut with moves for further cuts, witness their incomes reduce in real terms while the plutocrats and kleptocrats incomes jump exponentially; witness the plutocracy fight tooth and nail to against moves to redress that matter in the FWD; witness big business steal from them of through underpayment while the gov’t does no more than tut-tutting; witness their rights to negotiate to evaporate; witness super being misappropriated; witness moves to reduce safety requirements in the construction industry et al.

It’s one thing to be brainwashed by the medya. It’s another to see first-hand how anti-worker the reactionaries are, yet appear to be oblivious to it. And I don't for a minute subscribe to your view that "Which political party you vote for in a stable country like Australia doesn’t present an *immediate* - or even generational - threat to your life or livelihood."

You'd think when matters that so personally adversely affect peeps they might stop and ponder. You can't attribute that sort of ambivalence solely to the influence of the medya

Nobody sees it first-hand. Each individual worker progresses through the ranks on their own merit, and when there's a new EBA, probably see their payslip increase as more important and barely notice gradual reductions to lower bands.

It's the next person doing exactly the same job, following in the exact footsteps 5 years later, who is a little worse off relative to the first person. They don't realise the person ahead of them used to get time and a half OT while they're getting just time and a quarter.

Young people don't notice when stuff is stripped out of medicare. People who need a specific procedure probably usually only need it once in their lifetime. They didn't know that the $1,000 extra they paid hadn't been paid by the person with the same procedure 2 years ago.

21yo delivery drivers for UberEats don't know that delivery drivers when I worked at Pizza Hut used to get paid a proper wage, they never had that choice.

Just like I paid my HECS in the system as it was at the time. I never experienced free Uni, I've just heard about it from back in the day.

The changes to make things worse off are gradual and very difficult to perceive in ones every day life. It's why they get away with it so easily. And when Labor want to change things back all in one hit, the Media go nuts about it. Mostly they're just restoring what the LNP have taken away so gradually.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Worker type here. But reasons
I will vote liberal (never) it is a matter of who gets preferenced first. Both last.
But there is no way in hell I will ever ever trust Labor again. These last 2 years have shown their true colours. They have destroyed the people they claim to represent and gone off on an ideological bent and ripped the heart out of their electorates. These lockdowns and non sensical rules are poison.
Liberals are the sort who will cruise back and do Jack sh*t but sweep in and use these new powers for their own ends.
But in answer to OP workers will vote against Labor (I.e liberal because people are too stupid or exhausted or whatever to think otherwise and just vote opposite) because they are complete sell outs to what they claim to represent and are happy to literally throw their base under a river. They have no understanding of peoples needs wants or struggles just grubs. Get a bit of power snatch it and fu** everyone. Arseholes

No denying the depth of your feeling about Labor but your post is pretty short on actual examples of what it is that is so terrible about them.

 

[Kwality]

LNP, the party for the 1950's.

Do you ask yourself why the ALP campaigns of the 50s failed to win Government OR do you look to the lessons of 'the unloseable election' - the failures NOT the excuses ..... be honest with yourself or the 50s will continue to dog the faithful.
Its winnable, even loseable if you blame others.

 

[Pessimistic]

Garbage.

The ALP, Paul Keating no less, created the widespread access to the Superannuation system.ie it was once only for your 'top end of town- types. It was designed to take the pressure of future pension needs & give workers a decent standard of retirement. By now it should represent about 15% of wages going into super funds. It doesn't, thanks to the LNP.

The LNP have tried to stifle it at every opportunity. Delaying the % paid into super funds, pushing to restrict industry super funds, (which have shown far better returns for its customers!!) in favour of private (rip off) funds.

So maybe you should be more worried about LNP 'sticky fingers'.

and ran heavily at the last election ‘your super is safe with us’

the pollies get 15% right now, have for years