Why do workers vote Liberal?

[nut]

Rudd and Gillard also say a little hi

And Gina, Clive and the rest of these fat c…ts are ripping off Australians and are laughing their heads off.. a few mill here and there to politicians and the media to convince a country full of selfish c…ts that Social policies can’t be trusted …

people have actually been convinced that paying less tax is good … whilst in the same breath complain about shit services…

its a spiral …

 

[Pessimistic]

Gough says hi !!!

Norway 2% of worlds stocks and billions in property all the Over the world.

While true, if you add in our private super Aus doesnt look so bad.. In terms of wealth not getting a fair whack from resource sales

 

[nut]

While true, if you add in our private super Aus doesnt look so bad.. In terms of wealth not getting a fair whack from resource sales

not really when they also have free Health, free education, unemployment insurances , high Paying pensions, whilst only using a VERY small percentage of the Soverign funds revenue.

they don’t need super, the fund will continually grow exponentially …

Our dixkhead government basically forced people to tap into their super…

 

[Power Raid]

Gough says hi !!!

Norway 2% of worlds stocks and billions in property all the Over the world.

and yet if we compare norway to australia, despite being a very successful nation, their wealth is much much less than ours per person. further norway's national fund looks impressive at $1.4 trillion but then you have to consider Australia's fund industry at $3.4 trillion.

The major difference is Australia's scheme is sustainable as it is broad based but Norway's scheme is NOT SUSTAINABLE as it is reliant on fossil fuels.

both systems are great, both countries are great but would you really prefer the unsustainable "Oil Fund" over Australia's sustainable system?

 

[nut]

and yet if we compare norway to australia, despite being a very successful nation, their wealth is much much less than ours per person. further norway's national fund looks impressive at $1.4 trillion but then you have to consider Australia's fund industry at $3.4 trillion.

The major difference is Australia's scheme is sustainable as it is broad based but Norway's scheme is NOT SUSTAINABLE as it is reliant on fossil fuels.

both systems are great, both countries are great but would you really prefer the unsustainable "Oil Fund" over Australia's sustainable system?

this is the dumbest thing I’ve read …

whats unsustainable about owning 2% of the worlds stocks, spread over thousands of companies all over the world to reduce risk? Plus billions in property in London,New York etc….

NORWAYS FUND IS NOT RELIANT ON FOSSIL FUEL REVENUE

Like their electricity generation it’s completely sustainable. That’s called investing!!!

what has Australia done with the biggest mining boom in its history?

 

[Power Raid]

not really when they also have free Health, free education, unemployment insurances , high Paying pensions, whilst only using a VERY small percentage of the Soverign funds revenue.

they don’t need super, the fund will continually grow exponentially …

Our dixkhead government basically forced people to tap into their super…

and where is the revenue base coming from to pay for free health, education, insurance, pensions once the oil is phased out and they lose 20% of GDP and 62% of their exports? This ultimately has a double whammy as not only is industry reduced resulting in less high paid jobs but also no windfall inflows into the fund. 3% govt taps of the fund each year will see Norway "transition" to a reality.

Further chat to anyone from Norway and Sweden and although they love their country, they can't afford the lifestyle of Australians. I appreciate life isn't all about $'s but it is the benchmark reference here.

 

[Power Raid]

this is the dumbest thing I’ve read …

whats unsustainable about owning 2% of the worlds stocks, spread over thousands of companies all over the world to reduce risk? Plus billions in property in London,New York etc….

NORWAYS FUND IS NOT RELIANT ON FOSSIL FUEL REVENUE

Like their electricity generation it’s completely sustainable. That’s called investing!!!

what has Australia done with the biggest mining boom in its history?

you should tell that to the Norwegian govt who have already recognised the nation is reliant upon O&G and the transition is not a choice but reality

PS. if $1.4 trillion is 2% of the worlds stocks then $3.4 trillion is 5%. don't get sucked in by a sales pitch.


Can you believe it, Australia has 5% of the world's stocks? 2.5 times hugerer (Trumpism) than Norway!

in all seriousness though, we all should thank keating

 

[nut]

you should tell that to the Norwegian govt who have already recognised the nation is reliant upon O&G and the transition is not a choice but reality

PS. if $1.4 trillion is 2% of the worlds stocks then $3.4 trillion is 5%. don't get sucked in by a sales pitch.


Can you believe it, Australia has 5% of the world's stocks? 2.5 times hugerer (Trumpism) than Norway!

in all seriousness though, we all should thank keating

Australia has 5 times the population. So should have 10%

THE TRANISTION IS THE FUND!!!

 

[Pessimistic]

not really when they also have free Health, free education, unemployment insurances , high Paying pensions, whilst only using a VERY small percentage of the Soverign funds revenue.

they don’t need super, the fund will continually grow exponentially …

Our dixkhead government basically forced people to tap into their super…

they use it better, but the numbers in capital are not that far apart. I hear the amount the super industry pays itself in aus is almost as much as retirees draw down each year. So there’s capacity for retirees to have almost twice as much?

 

[Power Raid]

Australia has 5 times the population. So should have 10%

THE TRANISTION IS THE FUND!!!

like I said both Norway and Australia have very successful models. Norway had to act one way given their unsustainable circumstances and the nature of their resources. Australia acted another way given their commodities couldn't be open up to the world in a material way for decades later.

What is undeniable is Australians are FOUR times more wealthy than Norwegians.

Arguing that Australia's system is not as good, by comparing to an excellent but inferior outcome for Norway's citizens is unusual. but yes Norway has done very well from its O&G. It is interesting that Australia by comes out on top on health, education, community, income but overall you'd suggest both are fabulous places.

https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/norway/

Norway / Australia

 

[Donakebab]

liberal way then is to order $62m of the things:

‘Crisis’: Outrage over surprise RAT move

Anthony Albanese has slammed the Prime Minister for failing to learn from the pandemic after it was revealed the government quietly put out an urgent tender for rapid antigen tests.

www.news.com.au

An urgent tender for millions of rapid antigen tests has been placed by the federal government.
In total, five tenders for rapid tests worth just under $62 million were quietly published on Tuesday by the Department of Health.

On the AusTender website, the department listed “extreme urgency or unforeseen events” as the reason for the limited tender.

The tender comes just a day after Prime Minister Scott Morrison faced backlash from pharmacists after they were told they needed to secure their own supply of additional tests to support the government’s plan for free RATs for concession card holders.

"Unforeseen events"

What a crock of shit.

 

[nut]

like I said both Norway and Australia have very successful models. Norway had to act one way given their unsustainable circumstances and the nature of their resources. Australia acted another way given their commodities couldn't be open up to the world in a material way for decades later.

What is undeniable is Australians are FOUR times more wealthy than Norwegians.

Arguing that Australia's system is not as good, by comparing to an excellent but inferior outcome for Norway's citizens is unusual. but yes Norway has done very well from its O&G. It is interesting that Australia by comes out on top on health, education, community, income but overall you'd suggest both are fabulous places.

https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/norway/

Norway / Australia
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education is at high standard in Norway and it’s free … doesn’t need private education bullshit.
social housing is better in Norway for those that need it…

… anyway I know you know what system is better.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

So considerate are businesses and conservatives when it comes to caring for workers.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Workers vote Liberal because all our mainstream media support the LNP

It is as simple as that

7 - Kerry Stokes

9 - Peter Costello

If you own the mainstream tv channels you own the population

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

While it was like that decades ago. Those days & conditions are gone, long gone.

Yes the post you were replying to felt like something my dad would have said round the dinner table in the 1970s.

 

[Power Raid]

Workers vote Liberal because all our mainstream media support the LNP

It is as simple as that

7 - Kerry Stokes

9 - Peter Costello

If you own the mainstream tv channels you own the population

but that doesn't explain why workers have left the unions, the very fabric of Labor, in droves. It is clear that many have learned first hand, rather than through the media, that talk is cheap.

 

[Pessimistic]

I hear voters don’t like albo cos he’s uninspiring, yet in his weekend interview morrison says he wants he (scomo) to be known as uninspiring ‘governing for today’

So some of the voting reasons given are bullshit.

We have a good portion of xenophobic racist homo-everything phobics who realise those reasons sound off when asked

Our code is ‘quiet people’ but they sure like voting for noisy obnoxious feckers

 

[Baltimore Jack]

but that doesn't explain why workers have left the unions, the very fabric of Labor, in droves. It is clear that many have learned first hand, rather than through the media, that talk is cheap.

And of course the LNP wouldn't ever make it hard to recruit members or attempt to destroy unions or stack Fair Work would they?

 

[nut]

Norway’s disposable income is higher than Aus… and it’s poverty rate is much much lower…
If our retirement scheme is so great than why is our poverty rate among the +66 age group so high?

Iceland Has Lowest Poverty Rate Among OECD Countries

Iceland has the lowest poverty rate among OECD’s 38 member countries.

icelandmonitor.mbl.is

 

[nut]

Imagine Australians benefited from this ….

WA’s offshore gasfields pay almost no royalties and stoke carbon emissions, report finds

Australia Institute report finds state received only $430m of its revenue from industry that generated $27bn in exports last year

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pessimistic]

Norway’s disposable income is higher than Aus… and it’s poverty rate is much much lower…
If our retirement scheme is so great than why is our poverty rate among the +66 age group so high?

Iceland Has Lowest Poverty Rate Among OECD Countries

Iceland has the lowest poverty rate among OECD’s 38 member countries.

icelandmonitor.mbl.is

Yep no one said our systems are better, just that there seems to be comparable amounts in the various funds.

I bet norways costs a fraction of Australia’s to administer too. Iceland admirable given they were bent over in the GFC

 

[ChampRevesby]

It's not a talking point, it's reality

If Labor want lower and middle income earners to vote for them - stop taxing them harder than the Coalition does

Pretty simple and straightforward for the so-called worker's party, I'd have thought

And the regulatory burden, which adds to the cost of doing business, is what the blue collar small business owner votes on these days. Whoever gets out of their way the most typically gets their vote.

 

[Pessimistic]

And the regulatory burden, which adds to the cost of doing business, is what the blue collar small business owner votes on these days. Whoever gets out of their way the most typically gets their vote.

Small business would have more contact with state governments?

While the feds have been dominated by coalition since howard was elected, the opposite is true in states, notably queensland and Victoria

 

[ChampRevesby]

Small business would have more contact with state governments?

While the feds have been dominated by coalition since howard was elected, the opposite is true in states, notably queensland and Victoria

It's basically red tape, i.e compliance across all areas of business which adds to the cost of doing business. To understand some of these legislative rules you need specialists accountants etc whos costs get passed onto the proprietor and then onto the consumer.

 

[Pessimistic]

It's basically red tape, i.e compliance across all areas of business which adds to the cost of doing business. To understand some of these legislative rules you need specialists accountants etc whos costs get passed onto the proprietor and then onto the consumer.

Lol I was working for a big 6 firm at the time GST was going to ‘slash the size of statute law’

Good times