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I would give SDK a pallet of whey protein and 2 years to get through the whole thing before I'd expect senior footy out of him. There's a lot to fill out
Traded 12. Cooper Stephens (2020-2022)
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Cooper I imagine will see senior action in 2020.
I see SDK much like English at doggies..being long and lean for2 years before starting to fill out. I’m not expecting him till 21 or 22.
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Probably the longest lead time from our 2019 bunch....
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But that is kind of the point though. English is long and lean but still plays AFL on talent. I wouldn't expect SDK to play this year but if he is not pressing for a game next year post HT then you have issues IMO. He likely still won't be "ready" body wise but if talent doesn't balance that out well enough to get a game then you are on a road to nowhere by the end of year two.
some types can be held around longer than others... Longergan is a case in point ..and at his height Dek could end up elsewhere rather than deep back... unless he really spuds it up ..I suspect he will be around for a while ..and given time to show something.... but id not put it out of question that he could come in sometime in his first 2 years.
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right.. but English was drafted in 16 and took a good 2 years to get going... so by 2019 he was far more effetive.
I agree we want him pushing up the talent tree but if its 2 years. like English took, im fine with that.
And whilst he's a HT replacement, I see Blitz filling that role ( unless he is on a wing but that would never happen right!?!) unti SDK is ready.
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English drafted 16 and debuted 17. IMO he is still not AFL standard for a ruck but he is playing. If people aren't playing at all after two years in the modern environment, delist.
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Your opinion so fair enough but seems like development is done - show me now or be gone.
To clarify, you mean no AFL game after 2 years you are gone?
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Blitz is already filling the tall defender role SDK should be givenevery opportunity to be the other key backman.
ATM he's 85+kgs, l reckon they'll be hoping to get that to about 90 this year.
In my mind that would be ok for senior footy if he’s good enough to debut later in the season.
I wouldn't be saying no right now, he's not to far off physically imo.
Really depends on the Geelong nutritionists to find 5kg, it's a big frame.
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Pretty much.
I mean I wouldn't expect SDK to play this year at all and if he happened to have an lti the next year then you'd use some common sense but I think as a base rule it is fine.
That would seem to me to lock us in to perpetual churn on underdeveloped talent if we dont draft more ready to play types. ........ but I also can see the logic.. in an era where FA and trade ... to draft long term players is costly and can constipate the list.
I would say that we have seen an example of not drafting for the long term with our rucks ...and keeping them for too long.... Id say you can have advancement in readyness that may take more time than 2 years. Players like Stewart so good now ..would have been delisted. English is playing at the Dogs where he might not at Collingwood for eg... but is it logical to have someone projected 3-5 years down the track..probably not these days.. they have to show something sooner. The obvious example of how players may take time is Hamling..we did give him a go ..he was almost ready for a shot in Y3... and is now a strong defender.
IF we did take this line of thought it would be less likely to see us drafting thin talent and more effort on ready to plays like a Menegola types...and if they dont play within 2 years ..I agree with you. If we had drafted Partington for example..same logic
and in relation to Cooper Stephens ...... I think we will see him 2020...so no fear there..
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SDK no games 2020, 1 or 2 in 2021 Buzza got 4 years so SDK will get the same at least
but what about Cooper?
I don't know Buggar all about Cooper about 30 seconds of highlights all I seen
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Call it stupid but I've always rated how close a kid is to being physically ready for footy on the definition in their quads. Usually correlates.
Until we see them play, for real, in the hoops..my guess is we all fit into that. Seen more..or less in juniors but its a big step for all of them. I thought we ma have heard a bit more in the preseason... but Kennerly sound like he my be the jumper this year,
I can understand how one can get drawn into off topic post in the a related thread. Not hard to do.
The pick they were drafted at will link the two player to some degree as their carrer progresses.
With a few injuries mentioned recently it makes one wonder can copper push for a game early but I haven't heard the usual blurb that would indicate he is making ground
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G'day all
Apologies for the random thread bump. Was just curious if anyone a bit more connected to the club could give the inside word on where they think this bloke is at? Obviously covid has affected the seconds massively these last 18 months, but just heard very little about how Stephens is actually traveling, whether it be good or bad.
Huge for us as a club and if he can really develop as that first or second banana mid it'll make the transition post Dangerwood a heck of a lot smoother.
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Apologies for the random thread bump. Was just curious if anyone a bit more connected to the club could give the inside word on where they think this bloke is at? Obviously covid has affected the seconds massively these last 18 months, but just heard very little about how Stephens is actually traveling, whether it be good or bad.
Huge for us as a club and if he can really develop as that first or second banana mid it'll make the transition post Dangerwood a heck of a lot smoother.
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Well not travelling at all currently after the ankle injury. Feedback was all very positive last year when he was playing
The reasons probably do not matter. Having not played till now has diminished him. Yes it is early but its been a poor start to his career. He has used up some of the gravy time all kids get. Next year he can not afford to not be playing a lot of football. Mids rarely get 3 years to show their worth on a list and show zero. The good news is, he is not fighting for a place where there is a truck load of young player in the side. Play well and he probably gets selected.... so its all about the preseason. He as to standout and demand attention... because there is nothing surer... Geelong will continue to add talent, and new kids come in and they will demand attention, just like Holmes has.
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He played all year last year
I know he played what he could ... but the COVID situation wrecked the year from having proper games.
