Analysis Worst AFL contracts.

[Burtman]

Hahaha. Everyone knows the points table is a load of crap. No one would ever trade pick 10 for 26 and 28.

They might if it was for academy points. They got traded for 13 anyway so not far off the mark. But the original point is you absolutely ****ed up in terms of contract and trade value for McGovern

 

[2006_Eagles]

Old Gil

 

[HTPunter]

Yep.

Should have told him to sign for less and get them RFA compo a bit later, or just gagf.

He's a great ruck, but no ruck makes that kind of money, and despite being a great player he's not a match winner on the big stage like Dusty.

Ridiculous contract...

I agree. I think 2018 with his hitout dominance in the Grand Final, but overall the majority view being that Vardy/Lycett had equal output around the ground (really overall giving Grundy a slight win, disregarding expectations) shows that he just isn't the player you pay 7 years of a million for. Also wasn't that impressive v Geelong this year. Can't rely on playing Mumford in finals all the time to dominate.

 

[Tygrys]

You'd think that Kurt Tippett

Kurt Tippett

Age

38

Ht

202cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.8

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

at the swans would earn more than just a passing mention. What was it $3.55 million over four years beginning 2013? If you judge it purely on output it makes the Treloar deal look pretty darn good.

 

[Andyy]

I agree. I think 2018 with his hitout dominance in the Grand Final, but overall the majority view being that Vardy/Lycett had equal output around the ground (really overall giving Grundy a slight win, disregarding expectations) shows that he just isn't the player you pay 7 years of a million for. Also wasn't that impressive v Geelong this year. Can't rely on playing Mumford in finals all the time to dominate.

Not only that, but how many dominant rucks have led to flags for teams?

Look at Sandilands. Biggest ruck for years, and repeatedly every coach's preferred opponent to have on their own team, yet the Dockers consistently lost the clearances despite having guys like Mundy and Fyfe in their midfield.

And not just that but look at the last 5 AFL premiership teams' rucks. Hardly million dollar men:
Nankervis
Soldo
Vardy
Lycette
Boyd
Roughead

 

[Scratchy05]

Grundy. Even if he recaptures form and becomes that 20-22 touch a game, contested marking player, I don't want to be paying him 1,000,000 when he is 33. A million dollar deal over 4 years would've been much better

 

[jackenny]

Not only that, but how many dominant rucks have led to flags for teams?

Look at Sandilands. Biggest ruck for years, and repeatedly every coach's preferred opponent to have on their own team, yet the Dockers consistently lost the clearances despite having guys like Mundy and Fyfe in their midfield.

And not just that but look at the last 5 AFL premiership teams' rucks. Hardly million dollar men:
Nankervis
Soldo
Vardy
Lycette
Boyd
Roughead

I ultimately agree with you that Grundy’s contract is too much (mainly due to its size and length as a combination, indirectly causing a salary cap squeeze, IMO). However, I have a very different recollection of Sandilands, Fyfe, and Mundy as a midfield combination, specifically your comment that they consistently lost clearances. From what I recall, Sandilands and Fyfe were frightening as a clearance duo. I took a look at some stats and websites, and found this: “It would be hard for anyone to come up with a more dangerous combination than Aaron Sandilands tapping the ball to Nat Fyfe. In 2015, Fyfe’s Brownlow winning year, Fyfe led the AFL for first possessions – averaging 10.8 per game. It wasn’t just Fyfe benefiting from Sandi’s work, with David Mundy averaging 8.4 first possessions in 2015.” (source: https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/81996/31-great-stats-for-the-great-no-31)

In 2015, Sandilands had 998 hitouts and 57 clearances for the year, Fyfe had 173 clearances, Mundy had 162 clearances, and as an aside Lachie Neale had 142 clearances. As a group of four, those seem like frightening clearance numbers to me. For some comparisons, the most clearances Judd got in a year as a clearance machine was 159, Dane Swan’s highest was 147, and Gary Ablett’s highest was 133. The Docker’s big issue was more-so their lack of a damaging forward-line and bare bones back line, IMO. But their midfield was one of the best ever.

Not to be argumentative, just want to make sure Sandi’s value isn’t undersold. Him and that midfield aren’t the reason they never won a GF. I think the Dockers were as competitive as they were despite lacking any other real talent because of their midfield. Aside from that midfield, all they had was a couple key posts in Pavlich and McPharlin. It’s easy to name starring midfielders for them during this time but they were incredibly bare in their forward line and back line. Ballantyne and two very young players in Walters and Taberner. Mayne? Back line also had Stephen Hill, then Michael Johnson as their next best. Garrick Ibbotsen? There’s a reason that back line turned to crap and Fremantle dropped off hugely once McPharlin retired.

 

[Shinboner1]

Grundy. Even if he recaptures form and becomes that 20-22 touch a game, contested marking player, I don't want to be paying him 1,000,000 when he is 33. A million dollar deal over 4 years would've been much better

Sometimes clubs get sucked into contracting players for a long period of time for big cash to keep others at bay.
Grundy is obviously good for collingwood but his salary has probably contributed to the need to let go of players like treloar, phillips and stephenson.

 

[Andyy]

I ultimately agree with you that Grundy’s contract is too much (mainly due to its size and length as a combination, indirectly causing a salary cap squeeze, IMO). However, I have a very different recollection of Sandilands, Fyfe, and Mundy as a midfield combination, specifically your comment that they consistently lost clearances. From what I recall, Sandilands and Fyfe were frightening as a clearance duo. I took a look at some stats and websites, and found this: “It would be hard for anyone to come up with a more dangerous combination than Aaron Sandilands tapping the ball to Nat Fyfe. In 2015, Fyfe’s Brownlow winning year, Fyfe led the AFL for first possessions – averaging 10.8 per game. It wasn’t just Fyfe benefiting from Sandi’s work, with David Mundy averaging 8.4 first possessions in 2015.” (source: https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/81996/31-great-stats-for-the-great-no-31)

In 2015, Sandilands had 998 hitouts and 57 clearances for the year, Fyfe had 173 clearances, Mundy had 162 clearances, and as an aside Lachie Neale had 142 clearances. As a group of four, those seem like frightening clearance numbers to me. For some comparisons, the most clearances Judd got in a year as a clearance machine was 159, Dane Swan’s highest was 147, and Gary Ablett’s highest was 133. The Docker’s big issue was more-so their lack of a damaging forward-line and bare bones back line, IMO. But their midfield was one of the best ever.

Not to be argumentative, just want to make sure Sandi’s value isn’t undersold. Him and that midfield aren’t the reason they never won a GF. I think the Dockers were as competitive as they were despite lacking any other real talent because of their midfield. Aside from that midfield, all they had was a couple key posts in Pavlich and McPharlin. It’s easy to name starring midfielders for them during this time but they were incredibly bare in their forward line and back line. Ballantyne and two very young players in Walters and Taberner. Mayne? Back line also had Stephen Hill, then Michael Johnson as their next best. Garrick Ibbotsen? There’s a reason that back line turned to crap and Fremantle dropped off hugely once McPharlin retired.

That's a great post. I stand corrected > it is better to say then that despite clear ruck/midfield dominance they consistently lost games (and big stages ones).

Ultimately my sentiment is that dominant rucks don't win games the way dominant mids or KPPs do. I guess this is why mid gets the most Brownlow votes and the most damaging players are the mid/fwd types like Dusty and to a lesser extent Danger + Fyfe. So that's probably where your best $$$ is spent!

 

[Virgin Dog]

Not only that, but how many dominant rucks have led to flags for teams?

Look at Sandilands. Biggest ruck for years, and repeatedly every coach's preferred opponent to have on their own team, yet the Dockers consistently lost the clearances despite having guys like Mundy and Fyfe in their midfield.

And not just that but look at the last 5 AFL premiership teams' rucks. Hardly million dollar men:
Nankervis
Soldo
Vardy
Lycette
Boyd
Roughead

Quite telling when you consider that each of these guys were more known for their impact around the ground than their ruck craft. Boyd nearly won the Norm Smith yet him and Roughead lost the hitouts

 

[WilloTree]

I ultimately agree with you that Grundy’s contract is too much (mainly due to its size and length as a combination, indirectly causing a salary cap squeeze, IMO). However, I have a very different recollection of Sandilands, Fyfe, and Mundy as a midfield combination, specifically your comment that they consistently lost clearances. From what I recall, Sandilands and Fyfe were frightening as a clearance duo. I took a look at some stats and websites, and found this: “It would be hard for anyone to come up with a more dangerous combination than Aaron Sandilands tapping the ball to Nat Fyfe. In 2015, Fyfe’s Brownlow winning year, Fyfe led the AFL for first possessions – averaging 10.8 per game. It wasn’t just Fyfe benefiting from Sandi’s work, with David Mundy averaging 8.4 first possessions in 2015.” (source: https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/81996/31-great-stats-for-the-great-no-31)

In 2015, Sandilands had 998 hitouts and 57 clearances for the year, Fyfe had 173 clearances, Mundy had 162 clearances, and as an aside Lachie Neale had 142 clearances. As a group of four, those seem like frightening clearance numbers to me. For some comparisons, the most clearances Judd got in a year as a clearance machine was 159, Dane Swan’s highest was 147, and Gary Ablett’s highest was 133. The Docker’s big issue was more-so their lack of a damaging forward-line and bare bones back line, IMO. But their midfield was one of the best ever.

Not to be argumentative, just want to make sure Sandi’s value isn’t undersold. Him and that midfield aren’t the reason they never won a GF. I think the Dockers were as competitive as they were despite lacking any other real talent because of their midfield. Aside from that midfield, all they had was a couple key posts in Pavlich and McPharlin. It’s easy to name starring midfielders for them during this time but they were incredibly bare in their forward line and back line. Ballantyne and two very young players in Walters and Taberner. Mayne? Back line also had Stephen Hill, then Michael Johnson as their next best. Garrick Ibbotsen? There’s a reason that back line turned to crap and Fremantle dropped off hugely once McPharlin retired.

Excellent post. Well researched and accurate.

 

[WilloTree]

That's a great post. I stand corrected > it is better to say then that despite clear ruck/midfield dominance they consistently lost games (and big stages ones

Their record on 'big stage' games was decent over that period. They had a finals record of 4-5, whilst not outstanding included wins at MCG and Simmonds Stadium in 2013 against all the odds.

It's probably the straight-sets losses in 2014 which make it seem they had a poor run in finals. The choke against Hawks at home in 2015 doesn't help either.

 

[TradeDraft]

Grundy has to be up there, 7 years well into his 30s, huge dollars for a ruckman who was down this year, before the new deal has even kicked in. Generally anything greater than 5 seems to end badly, but I imagine clubs are making those huge commitments with the expectation of diminishing returns. Dusty appears to be the exception at this point.

Well Goldstein is the Same Age that Grundy be when his Contract Ends and he was seen 1 of the Best Rucks last season so why can't Grundy be the Same?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Well Goldstein is the Same Age that Grundy be when his Contract Ends and he was seen 1 of the Best Rucks last season so why can't Grundy be the Same?

How much money is Goldstein worth?

 

[Shinboner1]

How much money is Goldstein worth?

I think he's the highest paid player at North.
Probably around that 800k+ mark.
Assuming we had to pay a little more when Geelong came calling during his free agency period but its worth for him as a ruckman especially with the rest of the side probably on 700k or less.
Still heaps of cap space left.

 

[TradeDraft]

How much money is Goldstein worth?

For a 1 Year Deal I say around 700-800k

 

[00Stinger]

If the reports are to be believed, Tom McDonald

25

Tom Mcdonald

Age

32

Ht

195cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

261.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.6

1star

MG

135.6

2star

D

13.8

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

on $700,000+ a year is mind bottling. Essentially one good season in front of goals.

Kicking 50+ goals after missing the first month of football in a contract year always gets you over paid

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[Shinboner1]

Kicking 50+ goals after missing the first month of football in a contract year always gets you over paid

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Collingwood gave stevo a big contract extension after he won the rising star in his first year.
Somehow phillips on 600k next year too
Don't get me started on 950k for treloar.

 

[BronCrow]

The classic trap of over rating your own list when you have a shot and going overboard signing everyone on. Thank God for the cats rigid pay structure that's about to get thrown out a window

The problem is that we had that pay structure for some and not for others. We overpaid not only Sloane but David Mackay at $400K/year for 4 years. Who else would give him that?

In the meantime we lost guys like Lever and Cameron in the process.

 

[BronCrow]

Rory Sloane.

The fact a club favourite needed to be offered such a rediculously long contract otherwise he'd potentially have moved was terrible on the Club and in particular him.

The Crows signed a bunch of bad ones around that time, which obviously made it look worse when they chose not to offer lesser for younger players later on.

Spot on.

This is what happens when you have players that are business partners of, or at least have been business partners of one of the board members.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The problem is that we had that pay structure for some and not for others. We overpaid not only Sloane but David Mackay at $400K/year for 4 years. Who else would give him that?

In the meantime we lost guys like Lever and Cameron in the process.

Who is David Mackay?

Jokes aside, 400k would seem reasonable for a 200+ gamer. The problem might not be pay structure there

 

[BronCrow]

Who is David Mackay?

Jokes aside, 400k would seem reasonable for a 200+ gamer. The problem might not be pay structure there

Have you seen David Mackay play?

Apart from our club, which other club does he play 100 games for?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Have you seen David Mackay play?

Apart from our club, which other club does he play 100 games for?

I'm agreeing with you.

As an Adelaide resident I have actually seen him play a fair bit. Well actually I'm told I've seen him play, can't actually recall. I've seen his name on the team sheet.

 

[BronCrow]

I'm agreeing with you.

As an Adelaide resident I have actually seen him play a fair bit. Well actually I'm told I've seen him play, can't actually recall. I've seen his name on the team sheet.

In hindsight I am now aware of that. Was a bit slow on the uptake.

Know all about the feeling you are talking about in the second sentence. Believe he has 2 sons that may be eligible for the Father-Son one day. Hopefully top 5 draft picks.

 

[HTPunter]

Have you seen David Mackay play?

Apart from our club, which other club does he play 100 games for?

Shaun Atley may end up a 300 gamer...