Would Pendles Make A Better Captain Than Maxwell?

[Heater39]

Welcome back big bucks ^^

What's with the Essendon sponsorship?

 

[Quicky]

Love your comment re Pendles...truly sig worthy!

I think Maxy is a better footballer than you imply there. He does have that aspect to his game I guess, but he also has a never say die attitude rarely seen to that degree.

He also has an attacking side, but spends so much of his time arms raised, shouting instructions, giving encouragement, but also kicks in the arse when needed. Which is an art in itself, to be able to carry that off in a open, confronting yet not confrontational way ( if that makes sense!!)

Hard to ascertain interstate and watching on tele, but did Pendles be an actual captain on the field, in terms of doing the stuff Maxy does, or did he mainly be first out on the ground, and then call the toss, and then just play sublimely like Pendles does?

I guess this is the pitfall of being an outsider. We just don't know the work that occurs behind the scenes. I was happy yet unsure of Maxys selection as El Capitano and it turned out alright. This is the sort of decision that you just have to have faith in the management of the club. They're the inner sanctum and should have the wisdom.

 

[ant22]

I not actually convinced pendlebury will be a great captain. He is a dead set gun and one of the leagues best and he obvisouly has leadership traits but why is he such a stand out to most people?

Maxwell is a fair way ahead at the moment in terms of leadership and Luke Ball would be a fine captain in any team.

Pendles is ok in the Media and will improve. As good as he is he is never going to be the hardest bloke going around and he to me does not seem to be the inspiring type. I love him as a player but I am no where near sold on him as a captain.

Of the younger players Chris Dawes strikes me as the most natural leader. He is smart, plays hard, very articulate and has really impressed me in is media appearances. Funnily enough I would rate daisy just as highly in leadership as pendles.

Just because your the best player does not make you the best captain.

 

[Optimax]

What's with the Essendon sponsorship?

Wouldn't have the fuzziest

 

[Quicky]

Wouldn't have the fuzziest

Opti is a turncoat. Duplicitous!! I feel like I have been stabbed in the kidneys!! What a traitor...

 

[Pie eyed]

Wouldn't have the fuzziest

Chiefs giving us our new sponsorship tags.
Obviously he's playing a bit of silly buggers.

 

[Suspense]

I not actually convinced pendlebury will be a great captain. He is a dead set gun and one of the leagues best and he obvisouly has leadership traits but why is he such a stand out to most people?

seemed like a natural progression to me. has been groomed for it; dep vice captain in 08, vice captain in 09, 10 and 11. already captained the team well on numerous occasions (no idea of his record, but it is pretty good iirc). i presume that the team responds pretty well to him as captain atm. as you say he has obvious leadership traits, but it worth noting that he is still relatively young. will be the perfect age when maxwell steps down.

during this time, dawes has had injury, kpp development and spent time coming up through the seconds with intermittent firsts games. only really established himself as a best 22 player last year.

probably much of a muchness. if dawes can really establish himself this year, i think he would make a fine captain (seems better suited to the media stuff) but pendlebury has always just seems like a natural progression thing.


is it the 'tash/dreads?

 

[Optimax]

Opti is a turncoat. Duplicitous!! I feel like I have been stabbed in the kidneys!! What a traitor...

Take that back take that back right now!!!

I shall stand for none of such shenanigans



Glad it was fixed though cause I was starting to get worried myself there for a sec

 

[starscream_10]

Nick is a great captain off the field and a very good one on the field. He doesnt play in a position that gives him the opportunity to kick that "captain's goal" to win the premiership. But my thoughts are, if you're counting on one person to kick that important goal, then chances are you are not going to succeed.

Sure Jonathon Brown might kick an important goal every so often, but Nick is an everyday living example to the players that they can make it to the top with hard work and commitment.

Exactly what i rekon. people have also forgotten the semi final v crows (09) we are trailing by a point deep in to time on and at the bounce maxy just launches it onto his boot and we know what happens from there.

 

[PremierPie13]

Surely you'd have to back Maxwell based off our 2010 success to lead this year. But if we do win this year and Pendlebury wins the Brownlow there's always a chance that with Bucks coming in 2012 a new captain might be the right option.

As stated before, the inner sanctum has proved themselves trustworthy enough already so I'll leave it up to them

 

[ant22]

seemed like a natural progression to me. has been groomed for it; dep vice captain in 08, vice captain in 09, 10 and 11. already captained the team well on numerous occasions (no idea of his record, but it is pretty good iirc). i presume that the team responds pretty well to him as captain atm. as you say he has obvious leadership traits, but it worth noting that he is still relatively young. will be the perfect age when maxwell steps down.

during this time, dawes has had injury, kpp development and spent time coming up through the seconds with intermittent firsts games. only really established himself as a best 22 player last year.

probably much of a muchness. if dawes can really establish himself this year, i think he would make a fine captain (seems better suited to the media stuff) but pendlebury has always just seems like a natural progression thing.


is it the 'tash/dreads?

Nope not at all. I reckon the dread like bloody terrible but I never rate peoples leadership on appearance. Im not saying he is not a good leader , clearly he is otherwise I would not be VC. I just hope the club keeps its options open as he "May" not be the best candidate when maxy finishes.

I believe in developing and when the time comes giving it to the best person for the job. Some clubs (like st kilda) make big mistakes by giving it to someone who is a gun and who can lead but is not always the best person for the job. Hayes should be skipper at the sts. It may well be pendles but everyone seems certain this is the way they go, and Im not as certain.

What ever way it goes we now have an embarrasment of riches in the leadership department. Pendles, Dawes, Sidebottom and Beams all strike me as strong leaders. Its alot more than could be said 2 or 3 years ago.

 

[Smoky]

Nope not at all. I reckon the dread like bloody terrible but I never rate peoples leadership on appearance. Im not saying he is not a good leader , clearly he is otherwise I would not be VC. I just hope the club keeps its options open as he "May" not be the best candidate when maxy finishes.

I believe in developing and when the time comes giving it to the best person for the job. Some clubs (like st kilda) make big mistakes by giving it to someone who is a gun and who can lead but is not always the best person for the job. Hayes should be skipper at the sts. It may well be pendles but everyone seems certain this is the way they go, and Im not as certain.

What ever way it goes we now have an embarrasment of riches in the leadership department. Pendles, Dawes, Sidebottom and Beams all strike me as strong leaders. Its alot more than could be said 2 or 3 years ago.

Beams? Really???

Ahead of Daisy, Ball, Jolly, Shaw, Obrien etc

 

[Suspense]

What ever way it goes we now have an embarrasment of riches in the leadership department. Pendles, Dawes, Sidebottom and Beams all strike me as strong leaders. Its alot more than could be said 2 or 3 years ago.

yeah. nate brown strikes me as a future captain as well. level headed, team oriented, speaks well and is making the most of his year off as a defensive coach for the 2nds.

 

[starscream_10]

Then just a quick question (obviously im a newbie so I cant start a thread and I dont know if its already been covered) who would be our captain if (and may god forbid) both Pendles and Maxy got injured?

 

[Jonno_]

I think from memory Swan is deputy vice - so Swanny.

It is also embarrassing that this thread is A) even a thread, and B) generated so much discussion.

Nick Maxwell is the current premiership captain who has never put a foot wrong and obviously has what it takes to keep a group united and winning. Why on earth would you change him for a player because he is a better player? I mean maybe when he is old and not in the best 22, but please.

This thread is embarrassing.

 

[Swooop]

This thread is embarrassing.

Agree to a point with what you say, but overall, the OP has been answered pretty much unanimously on his question with a rejection of his assertions, and with a huge affirmation of Maxy's qualities.

 

[Swooop]

Then just a quick question (obviously im a newbie so I cant start a thread and I dont know if its already been covered) who would be our captain if (and may god forbid) both Pendles and Maxy got injured?

I think after Scott Burns retired, we were scratching around to try and find a captain.
There didn't appear to be any standout candidates.

Happily, a gem was uncovered.

Nowadays, it's a very different story.

It's more a question of who wouldn't be capable of being captain.

Of the best 22, can't think of many.

Maybe just Tooooves really, and even then only for the reason I think i'd get vertigo watching his eyes following the path of the coin as it spun through the air

Just shows the development, not simply of playing ability, but character development aswell with this group.

 

[Knightmare]

Don't think Pendles could be a better captain than Maxy, Pendles is a great leader in his own right and sets a great example by his actions and perfectionist attitude, but as good as he will be as captain in a couple of years time, it's pretty hard to replace Maxwell.

Maxwell is the greatest Collingwood captain I have ever seen. Plays hard, inspires team mates, does everything on and off-field and is the ultimate template for a great captain.

Really liked Maxwell as immediate captain replacement for Buckley, Burns was never a bad decision and was probably not a bad player to take over for the year to prepare Maxy.

 

[Pie eyed]

All queries answered tonight.

Just on the "club fishing around for a Captain after Burnsy"

Maxwell was the obvious choice and I believe by a long way, who was anointed. Burns was Captain for a year out of respect and while Maxie got some more experience behind him. If Bucks retired a year later Maxwell would have gone straight into the role.

 

[loki04]

Don't think Pendles could be a better captain than Maxy, Pendles is a great leader in his own right and sets a great example by his actions and perfectionist attitude, but as good as he will be as captain in a couple of years time, it's pretty hard to replace Maxwell.

Maxwell is the greatest Collingwood captain I have ever seen. Plays hard, inspires team mates, does everything on and off-field and is the ultimate template for a great captain.

Really liked Maxwell as immediate captain replacement for Buckley, Burns was never a bad decision and was probably not a bad player to take over for the year to prepare Maxy.

Maxwell benefits greatly by the team around him and is not the best captain to play the game.
He is doing a good job leading off the field and on it in terms of attack at the footy but his influence on games isn't as good as other captains has been including an old bloke called Buckley who used to lift and grab a game by the throat as well as lead on and off the field in work rate and 1%.

 

[loki04]

All queries answered tonight.

Just on the "club fishing around for a Captain after Burnsy"

Maxwell was the obvious choice and I believe by a long way, who was anointed. Burns was Captain for a year out of respect and while Maxie got some more experience behind him. If Bucks retired a year later Maxwell would have gone straight into the role.

Out of interest how did you rate Maxwell's first quarter when he had to man up Thornton?

 

[Quicky]

All queries answered tonight.

Just on the "club fishing around for a Captain after Burnsy"

Maxwell was the obvious choice and I believe by a long way, who was anointed. Burns was Captain for a year out of respect and while Maxie got some more experience behind him. If Bucks retired a year later Maxwell would have gone straight into the role.

Maybe from the inner sanctum. At the time it was far from clear from an outsiders point of view. The sort of decision punters like us just can't give an accurate opinion of without knowing the particulars.

 

[Pie eyed]

Out of interest how did you rate Maxwell's first quarter when he had to man up Thornton?

I thought Maxwell had a fair to middling game, personally.
He pulled off a couple of very good saves, but by his own admission has only Played 4 quarters of footy (Nab Cup), did not play in the intra club matches and still needs a bit of work get back to his best.
Not his best game, hardly his worst and like a few others he'll benefit from the run.
I think as a side we are still yet to "click" into top gear this season.
There have been glimpses, but we're not even close to the side which tunred up the last 6-7 games last season.

Very nice to be in the position to play some average footy and still win though.

 

[Quicky]

Very nice to be in the position to play some average footy and still win though.

This more or less sums up my opinion of the game.

 

[mdc]

Out of interest how did you rate Maxwell's first quarter when he had to man up Thornton?

He gave up one mark when he switched to Thornton and then left him alone too long. Maxwell was playing as a loose man for most of the first half, he wasn't on Thornton. (I was sitting right on that 50m line)