Does Malthouse need to be brought up in EVERY conversation of yours? It was only yesterday you were sooking at me for doing it!
Wow the irony.
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Does Malthouse need to be brought up in EVERY conversation of yours? It was only yesterday you were sooking at me for doing it!
Lol at you for thinking that a coach shouldn't look at a game in isolation when looking at a team's performance in that game.These stats tell the tale of how bad we really are -
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-collingwood-magpies
Lol at Buckley and his KPI's.
It took Malthouse 3 years to get Collingwood into a Grand Final. How long do you think it would take for Buckley to get Collingwood into another Grand Final?
You mean the facetiousness. Keep up.Wow the irony.
Lol at you for thinking that a coach shouldn't look at a game in isolation when looking at a team's performance in that game.
Oh well, guess he should just wait until the end of year stats come out on footywire before he looks at the KPI's.
Yeah they tell me that we struggled.Sugar coat it all you want but our rankings are amongst the lowest in the league in many areas. If that doesnt tell you something nothing will.
Yeah they tell me that we struggled.
As for you laughing at KPI's, Buckley called them as they were, win or loss. So what?
And yet still finished with 7 more wins. How does footywire attempt to explain that? Does it?Struggled? We are down with Melbourne, St. Kilda and GWS!!!
And yet still finished with 7 more wins. How does footywire attempt to explain that? Does it?
Can you explain it? How about you find some stats telling us how the hell that can happen? 7 more wins and still down with the cellar dwellers in the stats.
It tells me as a team we are absolutely terrible and if it were not for our remaining star players we would be down the bottom of the ladder with them!
The fact is you do need to change a winning formula. The AFL is a highly competitive and dynamic environment. Stand still and you go backwards. Bomber Thompson admitted as much when we won in 2010. He said he knew Geelong needed to change but the team wouldn't come with him. It took a thumping in the prelim to convince the players.
By the end of 2011 our winning formula (the forward press) was dead. It was being picked apart by faster more skilful teams.
No change equals death.
In my defence your honour, I wasn't promoting the feud.
I'm just sick of seeing the same things being re-written and created a thread I wasn't going to look at.
I'd rather the Bucks coaching thread be about Bucks and his decisions/coaching ONLY.
MM took a side from the bottom with the advantages of experience & also drafting such as - Pendles, Thomas etc. I am definitely not decrying MM his achievements and what he did for us but your point is simplistic in my opinion.
Buckley took over a side at the top after two Grand Final appearances in a row. Do you know how many sides have made 3 Grand finals in row or another grand final within the next couple of years? Not many in the long history of the game and other than Brisbane with their advantages, you have to go back a long way where there were no equalisation processes in place. Just doesn't happen.
I am not giving Buckley an out and he needs to deliver the next couple of years (hopefully he has some luck with injuries) but to compare him to MM like you have is not appropriate. I could just as easily say something silly like Bucks got the team in the finals in his first two years and MM missed finals in his first two years with us.
Thanks for the clarification of your post but I am not sure why you have taken it personally nor how you can read it as being 'accused' of anything.No, you miss the point. I was replying to a post mentioning how Malthouse only won 1 premiership in 10 years while ignoring how competitive we were in most of those 10 years. The original post was comparing Buckley to Malthouse, and only using a premiership as an evaluation, which I thought was rather simplistic, the very thing you are accusing me of(but unlike your post, I was tactful and didn't straight out accuse someone for being simplistic).
Also my question was an honest question and I was not being sarcastic. if are to judge Buckley it will not be for just how many Grand Finals we've won, rather how many Grand Finals we have made, how many times we have ended up in the top 4 and also the top 8. If we are going to be honest about both Malthouse and Buckley then we should see the whole picture and not just what we want to see. That was my point.