List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

We keep having long stretches of the game where we get smashed in the clearances. I think it's clear that our 2 main extractors, Mills and Parker are struggling. Whilst we wait for Roberts, Sheldrick and possibly Cleary to come of age, should we not consider Matt Crouch? Didn't see the game obviously but anyone who can get 32 disposals (15 contested) at 91% efficiency against the number 2 side in the competition in a big match deserves some consideration. Only 28, could get at least 2-3 good years out of him, by which time, our youngsters are hopefully hitting their peak. He is also out of contract and favour and will come cheap.

Papley is playing the Matt Crouch role already that is why he gets put in the center when we are struggling to get a clearance and it often pays off.

Reads the taps well.

Its a obvious hole we need to fix.

 

[BloodySwan]

We keep having long stretches of the game where we get smashed in the clearances. I think it's clear that our 2 main extractors, Mills and Parker are struggling. Whilst we wait for Roberts, Sheldrick and possibly Cleary to come of age, should we not consider Matt Crouch? Didn't see the game obviously but anyone who can get 32 disposals (15 contested) at 91% efficiency against the number 2 side in the competition in a big match deserves some consideration. Only 28, could get at least 2-3 good years out of him, by which time, our youngsters are hopefully hitting their peak. He is also out of contract and favour and will come cheap.

I agree with the sentiment but Parker has been one of our best this season. He's carrying our midfield unit (along with Gulden) but i agree, we need someone like Crouch.

While his kicking is poor I think the rest of our midfield can make up for his deficiencies. Like Collingwood has with Mitchell

 

[BloodySwan]

People will complain about Parish's kicking, yet he was the one who kicked our midfield butt.

 

[tombomb]

Yeah but which Ruckman are on the market other than others spare junk

Grundy is literally sitting in the stands waiting for someone to call his manager.

 

[The King!]

Grundy is literally sitting in the stands waiting for someone to call his manager.

Pricey but yeah

 

[The King!]

I agree with the sentiment but Parker has been one of our best this season. He's carrying our midfield unit (along with Gulden) but i agree, we need someone like Crouch.

While his kicking is poor I think the rest of our midfield can make up for his deficiencies. Like Collingwood has with Mitchell

Don't mind the idea of a crouch pick up

 

[The King!]

I'd be happy with all imports and not drafting at all

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Pricey but yeah

Grundy probably has the most complicated contract in the AFL.

Whoever gave him the advice to join Melbourne is well not very bright.

 

[Bloods86]

I agree with the sentiment but Parker has been one of our best this season. He's carrying our midfield unit (along with Gulden) but i agree, we need someone like Crouch.

While his kicking is poor I think the rest of our midfield can make up for his deficiencies. Like Collingwood has with Mitchell

Wait, we're relying on OUR midfield to cover a poor kick?

 

[BloodySwan]

When people complain about midfielders being crabs it's like complaining that Barrass is a poor matchup on Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

29

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

. Yeah, no s**t I don't want Barrass to play on Cameron. I need him on the monster forwards.

 

[BloodySwan]

Wait, we're relying on OUR midfield to cover a poor kick?

Crazy stuff I know!

 

[Bloods86]

Crazy stuff I know!

I mean, it is.

 

[tombomb]

Grundy probably has the most complicated contract in the AFL.

Whoever gave him the advice to join Melbourne is well not very bright.

I've only seen one small clip, but in that Show me the money documentary you could tell his management didn't think it was a good move.

 

[Edmund hunt]

Eagles fans are crazy if they think we will give up our 1st rounder plus One of McDonald or Scheldrick for Barrass.

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[BloodySwan]

Eagles fans are crazy if they think we will give up our 1st rounder plus One of McDonald or Scheldrick for Barrass.

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McDonald is worth 2x first round picks. Easy. Barrass is worth pick 12ish

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Eagles fans are crazy if they think we will give up our 1st rounder plus One of McDonald or Scheldrick for Barrass.

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They can ask for anything we are the ones chasing a contracted player.

 

[Kiama Chris]

They can ask for anything we are the ones chasing a contracted player.

They ask, it's up to us to determine what we are prepared to pay. WC have been pretty fair with us so I imagine it will be tough but not ridiculous. I hope it doesn't get played out in the press.

 

[caesar88]

Feel icky saying this as a longtime (well since 2021) believer of what our midfield can do... I think we need a gun mid. Really not liking how our midfield is tracking and it's going in the wrong direction. I am so much less confident in that group now than I was six months ago. It's going nowhere. Just my thoughts, not saying I'm right.

 

[Dan87]

I dunno, we're obviously more of a turn over team that values running power. 52 to 18 hit outs last night means we're OK with giving it up a bit in there to get the advantage elsewhere. We're comprised from the get go in the middle.

Maybe TT if he passes the character test.

Not paying up for an accumulator with Sheldrick and Roberts about to step up

Ladhams might help but not a lot

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

Without knowing our salary cap situation, I’d like to bring in a gun mid buy also think that defence and even ruck are higher priorities.

Given the cost of bringing in a gun mid, particular as none seem to be open on the market at the moment, the necessary approach may be giving the midfield time.

He’s my take on our mids:

Mills - good all rounder. Above average at most things, elite at tackling. However, too slow to be considered an elite all rounder.

Parker - good bull that can go forward. Elite physicality (if slightly to the small side for a bull). But too slow and poor user to be an elite bull. Very strong as resting forward.

Rowbottom - good defensive mid. Elite tackler, but doesn’t get enough of the ball consistently enough and is a poor user.

Gulden - Elite ball user but better on the wing. Too small to dominant, at least in pairings with above players.

Campbell - still bringing to all together in the backline. Potential to be a star mid with his pace, kicking skills and appetite to get physical.

Sheldrick - future gun ball winner. Small, but solid as a tank, knows how to win the ball and hard to tackle.

If we bring in a gun, I think it is Rowbottom who makes way, with Mills being the defensively minded mid. The other option is that Mills stays and Parker is moved forward.

If we wait for our list to develop, I reckon Sheldrick starts to becomes a fixture from next year, with Campbell another year away. This could free up Parker to spend more time forward and Mills to become a utility across the ground.

The other option is to bring in Grundy to play ruck/mid, but I’m not sure this matches the skilled ball use game plan we are trying to develop. I’d be shifting Parker forward, both to prevent two mids hack hacking and for his forward marking skills.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Feel icky saying this as a longtime (well since 2021) believer of what our midfield can do... I think we need a gun mid. Really not liking how our midfield is tracking and it's going in the wrong direction. I am so much less confident in that group now than I was six months ago. It's going nowhere. Just my thoughts, not saying I'm right.

Its a difficult one would you say Brisbane has become a LOT better after getting Dunkley?

I think Dunkley has had a fine season but overall have they been a better team?

 

[the hypnotoad]

no idea about his contract status but nick holman at the suns is a player who has steadily improved every year, and wouldn't come with the price of some higher-profile teammates, he's got a touch of class and i like how he goes about it
i'd rather chase someone like holman than anyone named crouch or an overrated pedestrian such as parish (who seems to be headed for geelong, and they're welcome to him)

 

[The King!]

Eagles fans are crazy if they think we will give up our 1st rounder plus One of McDonald or Scheldrick for Barrass.

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they can have the first rounder and our best wishes

 

[Bandicoot]

If we continue building form, it's probably pick 10 at the earliest. There'll be 2-3 spots pushed back from wherever we end up (I still think we finish about 10th).

Even though our form of the past three weeks has been better, I still expect only one win from our last 4 games - Gold Coast. If that's the case we will finish either 12th or 13th giving us a pick of 6-7 prior to pre draft selections. That will therefore become 9-10. I'm happy to give that up for Barass but nothing more than that. If WC also want our Hawthorn pick, I'd be saying "you can keep Barass, thank you".
Having since hearing about his back issues, I'm not confident about trading for him at all. Particularly for what the cost will be.

 

[caesar88]

Its a difficult one would you say Brisbane has become a LOT better after getting Dunkley?

I think Dunkley has had a fine season but overall have they been a better team?

I don't really think Brisbane's issue was their midfield though. I always felt their issue was their game plan and execution of skills not being up to par when tested and challenged.

With regards to us I feel like when fit we are so close to the complete picture, but there's just this one giant midfield issue that will constantly hold us back from being THE best.

I don't know if Mills will ever be a full-time mid enough to be the inside distributor we need. I feel like Horse sees him as a Mr. Fix It (which is understandable, he's good everywhere he plays.) Warner & Gulden I feel are better as receivers second or third in the chain. Rowbottom has become a nothing player. Sheldrick & Roberts might be promising, but then so was Rowbottom at the same age. So I dunno... are the options there like I thought they were? Maybe. But maybe not.