Traded Ryan Griffen + Pick 6 traded for Tom Boyd

[stefoid]

Private sale this year vs public auction next year?

Carlton had their hooks right into Boyd. If they didnt have his name already on a locker for 2015, they had the stencil and the paint ready.

 

[Mateyman]

Private sale this year vs public auction next year?

Carlton had their hooks right into Boyd. If they didnt have his name already on a locker for 2015, they had the stencil and the paint ready.

You certainly paid at public auction rates, however.

 

[Play by Numbers]

I am surprised how little criticism has been directed at Boyd as compared to Scully.

 

[Struggle]

People are forgetting that the salary cap is going to continue to rise, especially when the new TV deal comes in. Towards the end of his deal, Boyd could well be on only 3-4% of the salary cap. With the departures of Griff, Higgins, Cooney, Gia and Jones, and Boyd still on his draft contract (~180k), we can afford to massively frontload Stringer, Libba, Dahl, Macrae and the rest in 2015 to cover most of the shortfall in the future years

 

[Mateyman]

People are forgetting that the salary cap is going to continue to rise, especially when the new TV deal comes in. Towards the end of his deal, Boyd could well be on only 3-4% of the salary cap. With the departures of Griff, Higgins, Cooney, Gia and Jones, and Boyd still on his draft contract (~180k), we can afford to massively frontload Stringer, Libba, Dahl, Macrae and the rest in 2015 to cover most of the shortfall in the future years

3-4%...So you expect the salary cap to be above 20 million $$$ ?

 

[Struggle]

3-4%...So you expect the salary cap to be above 20 million $$$ ?

Because the money will be spread evenly over the life of the contract yeah? No frontloading over 2016-17 when we will have next to no senior players?

 

[stefoid]

You certainly paid at public auction rates, however.

We paid more than a big team would have had to.

 

[go you pups]

I am surprised how little criticism has been directed at Boyd as compared to Scully.

You heard of Mark "Robbo" Robinson?

 

[womble54]

I am surprised how little criticism has been directed at Boyd as compared to Scully.

Think the difference is that people expect Boyd will be good enough to earn that type of coin. Scummy never set the world on fire at Melbourne to begin with. What GWS were thinking we will never know. Just bizarro...

 

[gee whiz giant]

Think the difference is that people expect Boyd will be good enough to earn that type of coin. Scummy never set the world on fire at Melbourne to begin with. What GWS were thinking we will never know. Just bizarro...

In a non-AFL market, a no.1 draft pick may have been something the Giants could 'sell' to get a quick toe-hold. Another strategy was to draft Izzy Folau. Neither worked immediately, membership now at 13,000, but Giants admin will never die wondering. So, not that bizarre.

 

[IanW]

You certainly paid at public auction rates, however.

Absolutely this.

It was aggressive, and it worked, but they paid Griffen - a player who GWS was willing to pay pick 4 for - and pick six and a million in cap room over 4 years on top of the better-than-Tippett personal terms.

If Boyd is as good as he could be, it's a clear Bulldogs win.

If he becomes as good as Tippett, well, then things are different.

But they paid what they needed to pay to stay out of a public auction next year.

 

[chef]

You heard of Mark "Robbo" Robinson?

Yep, the drunk slob has been putting the boot in at every opportunity.

 

[chef]

a player who GWS was willing to pay pick 4 for

Or pick 7 and a fringe player depending on who you listen too.

 

[IanW]

Or pick 7 and a fringe player depending on who you listen too.

That doesnt really change the logic - Richmond are pretty happy with the fringe player they picked up, and Carlton just paid 7 for two fringe players and 19.

The Dogs paid what they needed to pay ... it was an aggressive gamble, and it might work.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Think the difference is that people expect Boyd will be good enough to earn that type of coin. Scummy never set the world on fire at Melbourne to begin with. What GWS were thinking we will never know. Just bizarro...

Boyd never set the world on fire and didn't even wait till his first contract was up.

If Scully was an example of money chasing or poor character, you must think very little of Boyd

 

[Ant_]

Rumour at the time was that pick #7 + a sweetener was on the table from GWS - pick no 4 may not have been in play

The GWS guy said pick 4 was never on the table when interviewed post the Griffen trade

 

[IanW]

The GWS guy said pick 4 was never on the table when interviewed post the Griffen trade

GWS also said Boyd wasnt going to be traded this year, so *shrug*

In any case 7 + player is more or less equal to 4, for any given value of who a club thinks they can get at 4, who they think they can get at 7 and the player.

 

[IanW]

Boyd never set the world on fire and didn't even wait till his first contract was up.

If Scully was an example of money chasing or poor character, you must think very little of Boyd

If Boyd is more or less as good as Scully - ie best 22 at most clubs, but not close to an All-Australian - then would you regard this trade as a success or a failure ?

 

[Play by Numbers]

If Boyd is more or less as good as Scully - ie best 22 at most clubs, but not close to an All-Australian - then would you regard this trade as a success or a failure ?

It's a positive for GWS, I am just intrigued as to why Scully was crucified by fans and the press, yet most here in Melbourne were cheering on the bulldogs and Boyds return

 

[IanW]

It's a positive for GWS, I am just intrigued as to why Scully was crucified by fans and the press, yet most here in Melbourne were cheering on the bulldogs and Boyds return

Simple - the GWS experiment is driven by AFL House, as a way of cementing the game over a 20 year time frame in Sydney, not by the fan base in Melbourne.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Simple - the GWS experiment is driven by AFL House, as a way of cementing the game over a 20 year time frame in Sydney, not by the fan base in Melbourne.

This is one reason, but the Boyd double standards are indicative of a pattern.

Look at the excitement surrounding Dangerfields possible return, but the negative fan reaction to Buddy rumors. My point being, the media and Melbourne fans largely take a romantic and forgiving view of players returning, despite the circumstances, but if a player dares to leave back to another state they will be crucified.

 

[dlanod]

This is one reason, but the Boyd double standards are indicative of a pattern.

Look at the excitement surrounding Dangerfields possible return, but the negative fan reaction to Buddy rumors. My point being, the media and Melbourne fans largely take a romantic and forgiving view of players returning, despite the circumstances, but if a player dares to leave back to another state they will be crucified.

There's a caveat.

The difference in responses to Ablett, Scully, Buddy, Tippett, etc, versus Boyd, Judd, Dangerfield, etc, is significant. But the difference is that if you're able to spin your departure as "homesick" you get a lot more forgiveness than if it's obviously remuneration driven, even if there's a sidenote of getting massive amounts of money on the homesickness.

This then comes into play a lot lot more with Victorian clubs because the national AFL media is based there, there's more AFL clubs based there, and most of the draftees are taken from there, so it's a lot easier for those players to claim to be homesick, make it home, but also go to the highest bidder. However I can't think of too many other "homesick" guys getting slammed for going to non-Victorian states, i.e. Beams and Brisbane's boys last year.

The funniest thing is that if you dare do what any spectator would do and leave for a new employer with a tidy raise, boy does the s**t hit the fan.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

There's a caveat.

The difference in responses to Ablett, Scully, Buddy, Tippett, etc, versus Boyd, Judd, Dangerfield, etc, is significant. But the difference is that if you're able to spin your departure as "homesick" you get a lot more forgiveness than if it's obviously remuneration driven, even if there's a sidenote of getting massive amounts of money on the homesickness.

This then comes into play a lot lot more with Victorian clubs because the national AFL media is based there, there's more AFL clubs based there, and most of the draftees are taken from there, so it's a lot easier for those players to claim to be homesick, make it home, but also go to the highest bidder. However I can't think of too many other "homesick" guys getting slammed for going to non-Victorian states, i.e. Beams and Brisbane's boys last year.

The funniest thing is that if you dare do what any spectator would do and leave for a new employer with a tidy raise, boy does the s**t hit the fan.

In Melbourne, millions of people identify themselves as supporters/members of clubs. There is very little casual interest in the game, it's passionate and, albeit as a sport, a permanent thing in people's lives - independent of making a living. Changing jobs is matter-of-fact; it's an income, not a passion.

Players leaving clubs are seen as traitors. Mercenaries who leave "the family" or "the tribe". That is treason, not just merely changing jobs.

 

[dlanod]

In Melbourne, millions of people identify themselves as supporters/members of clubs. There is very little casual interest in the game, it's passionate and, albeit as a sport, a permanent thing in people's lives - independent of making a living. Changing jobs is matter-of-fact; it's an income, not a passion.

Players leaving clubs are seen as traitors. Mercenaries who leave "the family" or "the tribe". That is treason, not just merely changing jobs.

So how come Judd, Docherty, Jaksch, Stevens, Boyd and Frost aren't seen as traitors but Buddy, Ablett and Scully are?

 

[Colonial]

So how come Judd, Docherty, Jaksch, Stevens, Boyd and Frost aren't seen as traitors but Buddy, Ablett and Scully are?

Because every true honorable player only plays in the traditional states