Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

[sammm]

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could someone please tell me the averege of of the saints lists with harvey and gehrig and without harvout and gehrig.

thanks

 

[Squizz]

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Doesn't make much difference, as we have 44 players (including rookies).

The average age with rookies is around 24.5. Excluding #35 and #9 is is 24.

Excluding rookies you're looking at 25.1 yrs vs 24.6 yrs.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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Dream Team Scores against Cats. These points can be a useful way of comparing total statistics.

As far as scoring dreamteam points against the cats
our top 4 scorers hold their own. If we had Ball it would be 5. We are short of four players who can score better than 100.
2 Nicks, Kosi, DalSanto , and Gram are the players we are relying on.
Well done to Jones, Gilbert, Eddy, and Raph for outshining the stars.

Given that taggers and defenders don't get rated properly by dreamteam points I would rate our worst players as - Gwilt, X, Riewoldt and Gardner

Sam Fisher 116 - 2 Cats scored better than this
Lenny 112
Joey 108 - 3 Cats scored better than this
BJ 108
So far not so bad but next down is
Jones 93 - 9 Cats scored more than 99
King 84
Gilbert 83
Schneider 83
Eddy 75 12 Cats scored better than this.
Raph 64
Kosi 63
Harvey 63
DalSanto 61
Gram 60
Milne 58
Gardner 55
Mc Qualter 54
Nick Riewoldt 54
X 50
Blake 46
Gwilt 42
Max 17

 

[Squizz]

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Max is now on the cusp of Saints all-time top 10 games player :

Player Games Goals
1 Harvey, Robert 383 215
2 Burke, Nathan 323 124
3 Loewe, Stewart 321 594
4 Breen, Barry 300 308
5 Colling, Gary 265 49
6 Neale, Kevin 256 301
7 Peckett, Justin 252 50
8 Frawley, Danny 240 13
9 Smith, Ross 234 230
10 Winmar, Nicky 230 283
10 Barker, Trevor 230 134
12 Hudghton, Max 227 14
13 Jones, Austinn 226 127
13 Sarau, Jeff 226 119
15 Cunningham, Geoff 224 58
16 Thompson, Andrew 221 93
17 Lever, Harry 218 6
18 Mynott, Brian 210 75
19 Ditterich, Carl 203 156
20 Eicke, Wels 197 61
21 Mohr, Bill 195 735
22 Hayes, Lenny 192 67

I am amazed Max has kicked 14.8 in his career.

 

[Squizz]

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Interesting 2008 Stats :

Tackles : Hayes 168, Ball 127, Montagna 103, Dal Santo 99, Jones 86, King 76

Hit-outs : King 375, Gardiner 136, Koschitzke 129

1%'ers : Hayes 155, Hudghton 136, Fisher 134, Blake 116, Goddard 113, Gilbert 109

Bounces : Dal Santo 53, Gram 48, Montagna 42, Goddard 31, Milne 29, X Clarke 21

 

[Darkhour]

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Interesting 2008 Stats :

Tackles : Hayes 168, Ball 127, Montagna 103, Dal Santo 99, Jones 86, King 76

Hit-outs : King 375, Gardiner 136, Koschitzke 129

1%'ers : Hayes 155, Hudghton 136, Fisher 134, Blake 116, Goddard 113, Gilbert 109

Bounces : Dal Santo 53, Gram 48, Montagna 42, Goddard 31, Milne 29, X Clarke 21

nice Squizzy..

found the King tackle stat interesting.. Gardiner not so suprising.. Xman isn't also.. thats why I rate him... injury free that is..

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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I've noticed Kingy gets the odd tackle in. They look like they would be felt as well.

 

[Squizz]

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Gardiner not so suprising.. Xman isn't also..

The bits I found interesting is that X had one more bounce than Sam F - even though he played only 8 games (Sam 25).

Similarly with Gardi - only 9 games vs Kosi's 22 (and noting limited TOG during these games).

 

[Squizz]

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I've noticed Kingy gets the odd tackle in. They look like they would be felt as well.

I didn't know they counted the ones where he comes over the top of a pack and tackles 4 players (including his own guys)!

But a 3.5 tackles per game average from your ruckman is bloody good - shows how much of a team player he is.

 

[the_riddler]

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I didn't know they counted the ones where he comes over the top of a pack and tackles 4 players (including his own guys)!

But a 3.5 tackles per game average from your ruckman is bloody good - shows how much of a team player he is.

Haha I have noticed Kingy do this everytime he is around a pack. Always makes me laugh

 

[Darkhour]

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The bits I found interesting is that X had one more bounce than Sam F - even though he played only 8 games (Sam 25).

Similarly with Gardi - only 9 games vs Kosi's 22 (and noting limited TOG during these games).

well thats why I was surprised by some comments about Gardiner and X towards the end of the season.. x does get the ball and bounce, he just didn't play that much this season.. Gardiner though I thought started off the year very well IMO and outclassed King on a few occasions.. I am surprised that Fish had one less bounce though obviously...

 

[Squizz]

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Lenny has snuck up on me and is close to top 20 all-times games played with the Saints. Max is just 3 games off the top 10.

1 Harvey, Robert 383 games 215 goals
2 Burke, Nathan 323 124
3 Loewe, Stewart 321 594
4 Breen, Barry 300 308
5 Colling, Gary 265 49
6 Neale, Kevin 256 301
7 Peckett, Justin 252 50
8 Frawley, Danny 240 13
9 Smith, Ross G. 234 230
10 Barker, Trevor 230 134
10 Winmar, Nicky 230 283
12 Hudghton, Max 227 14
13 Sarau, Jeff 226 119
13 Jones, Austinn 226 127
15 Cunningham, Geoff 224 58
16 Thompson, Andrew 221 93
17 Lever, Harry 218 6
18 Mynott, Brian 210 75
19 Ditterich, Carl 203 156
20 Eicke, Wels 197 61
21 Mohr, Bill 195 735
22 Hayes, Lenny 192 67
23 Grant, David 191 75
24 Lockett, Tony 183 898
25 Everitt, Peter 180 299
26 Davis, Allan 173 308
27 Roberts, Neil 169 40
27 Burns, Greg 169 114
29 O'Dea, Jim 167 7
30 Williamson, Col 165 44
30 Milne, Stephen 165 331
32 Morrow, Alan 163 151
33 Roberts, Billy C. 160 6
34 Dangerfield, Gordon159 16
34 Howell, Verdun 159 59
34 Trott, Stuart 159 69
37 Riewoldt, Nick 158 320

 

[missionpossible]

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Unfortunately I am obsessed with stats, and after reading a press article noticed that Roo is close to being in the Top 10 all-time Saints goalkickers. I was also surprised to see Milney is already there!!!

Player Games Goals
1 Lockett, Tony 183 898
2 Mohr, Bill 195 735
3 Loewe, Stewart 321 594
4 Gehrig, Fraser 145 390
5 Breen, Barry 300 308
5 Davis, Allan 173 308
7 Neale, Kevin 256 301
8 Everitt, Peter 180 299
9 Milne, Stephen 153 298
10 Young, George 108 284
11 Winmar, Nicky 230 283
12 Riewoldt, Nick 146 279
13 Young, William 94 274
14 Bennett, Peter 103 258
15 Baldock, Darrel 119 237
16 Smith, Ross 234 230
17 Harvey, Robert 371 211

Call me ignorant or whatever. But who the hell are George and Will Young. Can someone enlighten me.

 

[Squizz]

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I am super impressed you know who Peter Bennett is.

William “Bill” Young : 1956-61 94 games 274 goals. (b: 6 Jun 1931 179 cms 73 kgs). A frail looking full-forward from Stratford who was only 11 and a half stone. He was a prolific goalkicker in country football and a fine all-round sport who once top scored for a Victorian country eleven against the English tourists and was also a star cyclist. Many VFL clubs chased him and Melbourne's Norm Smith tried to persuade him to tear up the form he eventually signed with St Kilda. He couldn't get a clearance until the third round of 1956 and he had a slow start which sparked criticism that he was too light and too old (almost 24). But his uncanny feel for kicking goals proved them wrong and he topped the VFL goalkicking with 56 in his first year. He scored the same tally in each of his next two seasons and headed the Saints' goalkicking from 1956-60. He was credited with inventing the reverse punt shot at goal. He represented a Victorian B team in 1959.

George Alfred Young (b 3 Feb 1949) - Before Young came to St Kilda he played 76 WAFL games with Subiaco as well as representing Western Australia at interstate football. His performance at the 1972 Perth Carnival had earned him All-Australian selection. He debuted for St Kilda in 1973 and played his first couple of seasons as a half forward flanker. In 1975 he played at full forward and topped the club's goalkicking every season before leaving after the 1978 season. His best tally was 70 goals in 1978, a year in which he managed a bag of 10 versus Fitzroy in their round 12 encounter. Young also played two Sheffield Shield matches for the Western Australian cricket team in the 1972/73 Australian cricket season. He was a left-handed batsman and made a century in the second match, an innings of 125 against South Australia at the WACA Ground.

 

[HoldenMCaulfield]

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30 Milne, Stephen 165 games 331 goals
37 Riewoldt, Nick 158 games 320 goals

How about that ?!

Gotta love Milney !

 

[Persevering Saint]

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Milney is actually pretty remarkable for a small forward when you look at his games to goals ratio. It's actually better than Stewart Leowe, a tall full forward! If he maintains that average for his full career, and gets to, say, 200 games, he'll have 400ish goals, which is just astounding.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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Jason Blake has snuck into the AFL top 8 for Marks this season.

Nick Dal Santo has the most Kicks in the AFL so far and is 5th highest for contested possessions.

Joey gives away the most frees in St Kilda, probably due to having tackled more then everyone else in the AFL except Brett Kirk, and Shane O Bree. Our three highest tacklers are Joey, Ball and Jones. --- Where's Lenny?

The only AFL players with better disposal efficiency than Kosi have 12 disposals or less for the year.

Grammy is leading the AFL for kicks into the 50. I just wish there was someone there he was kicking it to.

Though I'm not really sure what it means Zac is our best player for 1 percenters.

 

[StFly]

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Though I'm not really sure what it means Zac is our best player for 1 percenters.

It means the Zac Attack is not just 1 goal but king of 1 percenters! Now he just needs to keep opponents to 1 goal or less and take at least 1 screamer and average 1 bounce per game....

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

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1 Percenters are liek spoils spoils and shephards maybe?

Lol, Dal, Goddard and Montagna are 2,3,4 in Supercoach points.

Guns.

 

[Squizz]

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Lenny is finding a few of the boys hard to catch in the tackle count :

Rnk Name Games Tackles
1 Montagna 6 42
2 Ball 6 37
3 Jones 6 35
4 Hayes 5 31
5 Ray 6 24
5 Geary 6 24
7 McQualter 6 22
8 Dal Santo 6 21
8 Goddard 6 21
10 Schneider 6 20

 

[McCrann]

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Lenny is finding a few of the boys hard to catch in the tackle count :

Rnk Name Games Tackles
1 Montagna 6 42
2 Ball 6 37
3 Jones 6 35
4 Hayes 5 31
5 Ray 6 24
5 Geary 6 24
7 McQualter 6 22
8 Dal Santo 6 21
8 Goddard 6 21
10 Schneider 6 20

Lenny missed Round 1 - a slogfest against Sydney.

As you can see there, all other players in that list have played every game. Hayes is averaging effectively the same as Luke Ball at No.2 - which is about where you'd expect him to be wouldn't you?

 

[McCrann]

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Late mail - the comeback against Hawthorn (at 1/2 time) was the fifth best in the club's entire history :

1 48 St Kilda 1.8 (14) vs Richmond 9.8 (62) 1975 11 Wav

2 34 St Kilda 2.8 (20) vs Melbourne 7.12 (54) 1974 2 MCG

3 30 St Kilda 4.8 (32) vs Hawthorn 9.8 (62) 1976 12 OO

4 29 St Kilda 4.2 (26) vs Footscray 9.1 (55) 1972 3 Mor

5 28 St Kilda 6.3 (39) vs Hawthorn 10.7 (67) 2008 16 TD

I should've started following the Saints earlier - four big comebacks in five seasons.

Actually, no it wasn't.

You've only managed to miss the best comeback in our entire history!

Round 7, 1994.

Sydney v St. Kilda (SCG)

3/4 Time Score
Sydney - 15.6.96
St. Kilda - 8.10.58.

Guess what, Sydney kicked the first goal in the last quarter - we still won.

Final Score
Sydney - 17.7.109
St. Kilda - 16.14.110

Now, that is the best comeback of all-time as far as I am concerned - didn't even make your list! (I know, because we were only 25 points behind at half-time!!)

Surely you know of this game?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

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Now, that is the best comeback of all-time as far as I am concerned - didn't even make your list! (I know, because we were only 25 points behind at half-time!!)

You just answered your own question.

 

[bubblegoose]

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Lenny is finding a few of the boys hard to catch in the tackle count

Nice play on words there Squiz

 

[Squizz]

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Best Comebacks - 3/4 time (1986-2008)
# Rec By Team Score vs Team Score Year Rd Gnd
1 38 St Kilda 8.10 (58) vs Sydney 15.6 (96) 1994 7 SCG
2 19 St Kilda 12.7 (79) vs Geelong 15.8 (98) 1999 10 SS
3 18 St Kilda 10.13 (73) vs West Coast 14.7 (91) 1998 6 Sub
4 17 St Kilda 11.12 (78) vs Fitzroy 15.5 (95) 1990 20 Mor
5 16 St Kilda 6.7 (43) vs Nth Melb 8.11 (59) 2008 14 Car
5 16 St Kilda 13.12 (90) vs Sydney 16.10 (106) 1997 19 SCG
7 14 St Kilda 13.7 (85) vs Sydney 14.15 (99) 1991 9 SCG
8 13 St Kilda 8.16 (64) vs Richmond 11.11 (77) 1989 10 Wav
8 13 St Kilda 9.10 (64) vs Port Adelaide 12.5 (77) 2008 18 TD

Patience is a virtue - you only needed to hang on and read a couple more posts to find the 3/4 time records. But nice to know someone is reading this stuff <insert air-kisses and royal waves to stat fans>