Next years bolter

[SA HAWK]

Huh? Iv'e never stated it was a dream run or as good as St Kilda's.

The word i used was great. Any club would take that sort of run with injuries in every single season if given the chance.

I would give my left nut to have Essedons best 10 players miss on average about 1.6 games.

Still listing brown & ladson in our best 10 i see .

 

[SirJimi05]

Still listing brown & ladson in our best 10 i see .

I'm listing Brown until someone offers a better alternative. Hodge in for Ladson.

Hence why i said "about".

 

[SirJimi05]

It was a mixture of injuries, lack of hunger, lack of fitness, poor preseason, lack of depth & poor form imo.

Won't argue with any of this.

 

[SA HAWK]

I'm listing Brown until someone offers a better alternative. Hodge in for Ladson.

Hence why i said "about".

Williams.

Crawford was still considered in our top 10 players at the start of 08 but knee injuries reduced his effectiveness.

 

[SirJimi05]

Williams.

Crawford was still considered in our top 10 players at the start of 08 but knee injuries reduced his effectiveness.

Very interesting that you mention these two player. In the other thread it was mentioned that these two players were losses for this year and beyond (2010) but it was suggested by many Hawks posters that Williams is a hack and Crawford hasn;t been much chop for years (since 2006).

I guess it comes down to whatever suits the argument at the time.

 

[Falchoon]

Our preseason could've been handled better, no doubt in my mind, but that's more to do with hindsight than unprofessionalism.

hindsight? that's a laugh, anyone who's anyone in the AFL spruiks on about the benefits of a full pre season. Starting a minimum 2 months behind the opposition was always going to leave Hawks players short going in to 2009, if you haven't done the work you will break down. Hindsight? it's not a 2009 phenomena.

Collingwood just sacked some poor sucker who turned up in better shape than half the Hawks list did last year. Hodge was at least 5kg's overweight and he struggled with his groin, blow me down with a feather, you don't need hindsight to work that out
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"It's a similar situation for Norm Smith Medallist Luke Hodge, who had December surgery to repair a torn shoulder cartilage"

December FFS, that's a minimum of 8 weeks after the GF.

Don't get me wrong, if the Saints win a flag I wouldn't care if they started back in Jan, but I won't be blaming their obvious lack of preparation on ill luck either. or hindsight

 

[SA HAWK]

Very interesting that you mention these two player. In the other thread it was mentioned that these two players were losses for this year and beyond (2010) but it was suggested by many Hawks posters that Williams is a hack and Crawford hasn;t been much chop for years (since 2006).

I guess it comes down to whatever suits the argument at the time.

Williams is far from a hack. Whilst he had a very poor year last year and missed most of 07 with a knee injury he was a very good player in 05,06 & 08. I doubt we would have won the flag without him. He will be a loss next year and beyond. Hopefully someone will step up and take his spot.

A lot of supporters like to bag players that leave their club for another one. Every clubs supporters do it. Just look at your supporters reaction to mc phee leaving.

As for Crawford he was definitely past his best after 06 but what 32 year old isnt? His 07 season was quite good and he was still considered in our best 10 players coming into the 08 season but obviously struggled with knee problems. Nowhere near as big a loss as Williams imo. Wouldn't have made a lick of difference to last season as i could only see his form getting worse with age & injury catching up with him. I think we have his absence covered.

A lot of our supporters seem very one eyed. But so do a lot of other clubs supporters. Yours included.

 

[SA HAWK]

hindsight? that's a laugh, anyone who's anyone in the AFL spruiks on about the benefits of a full pre season. Starting a minimum 2 months behind the opposition was always going to leave Hawks players short going in to 2009, if you haven't done the work you will break down. Hindsight? it's not a 2009 phenomena.

Collingwood just sacked some poor sucker who turned up in better shape than half the Hawks list did last year. Hodge was at least 5kg's overweight and he struggled with his groin, blow me down with a feather, you don't need hindsight to work that out
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"It's a similar situation for Norm Smith Medallist Luke Hodge, who had December surgery to repair a torn shoulder cartilage"

December FFS, that's a minimum of 8 weeks after the GF.

Don't get me wrong, if the Saints win a flag I wouldn't care if they started back in Jan, but I won't be blaming their obvious lack of preparation on ill luck either. or hindsight

Hodge hurt his shoulder at training in december 08 it was not a delayed surgery from after the grand final.

 

[Off The Couch]

^^^^ Correct, this injury occurred during pre-season training


For me while it pains me to say it, I think the eagles will be the big improvers in 2010. With Cox and Kerr returning to the side and another year under the belt of some of their young guys, I think they have the potential to slip into the 8.

 

[smasha]

May all these pissant clubs get warts and Richmond rise again.

 

[quiksilva]

Hope everyone is on the money with WC been the bolters!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hodge hurt his shoulder at training in december 08 it was not a delayed surgery from after the grand final.

Exactly. Same with Lewis.

 

[Wally Carter]

If a "bolter" is defined as a club that comes from the bottom 4 and makes the 8, then I don't think it is likely there will be one in 2010.

If North have an injury free run, they are a chance to snag 8th spot, but a lot has to go right.

I can't see Freo, Melbourne or Richmond doing it even if they have a good run. Freo and Melbourne are still a minimum 2 years away from finals, and the Tiges could be as far as 5 years away.

 

[Falchoon]

Hodge hurt his shoulder at training in december 08 it was not a delayed surgery from after the grand final.

fair enough, why did he come back so far out of shape though?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

fair enough, why did he come back so far out of shape though?

Who said he did?

 

[HeHateMe]

True, Hawthorn had a bad run with injuries in 09. But they still dramatically under-performed. It is very unusual for a premier to miss the finals the following year and pick up just the 9 wins. Sure, the Hawks best 22 is very good, but clearly there is not a great deal of depth there. At least that is how it would appear given what we witnessed in 09.

Injuries aren't the be all and end all. Keep in mind that the Saints beat your lads in Tasmania with an incredible 8 of its best 22 absent. Geelong lost just 4 games for the season and won a premiership, yet it had enough injuries throughout the year to use almost as many players from its list as Hawthorn did.

I agree we didn't see the best of the Hawks due to injury. But i also believe their very ordinary season was also the result of other factors - form slump, possibly an underdone pre-season (a fair few second half fade outs, i noticed), and a game plan that other teams have worked out.

Fact is HAW had a really disappointing season. This was well summed up in Rd 22, when your president and coach had a complete public dummy spit during and after the game, and one player (Brown?) behaved like a complete w***er on and off the field. Why not accept it as a failed year, and address foreseeable problems. Rather than hiding behind injuries?

i belive a lot of hawks suporters think it was a failed year?? we didnt make the 4 thats a fail in my standards

evreything you said was true. but we belive the group and staff can get the rest right so it comes down to "the injuriy run" to see if we make the 4 or not

hence all the hawkers saying if we have a good run

 

[Falchoon]

Who said he did?

No one, he was in tip top shape from day 1.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No one, he was in tip top shape from day 1.

Exactly as I thought.

This photo is your sole 'proof' that "Hodge was at least 5kg's overweight" coming into the preseason. Spare me.

 

[Falchoon]

Exactly as I thought.

This photo is your sole 'proof' that "Hodge was at least 5kg's overweight" coming into the preseason. Spare me.

far easier to avoid the issue, carry on, all is fine at Hawthorn. Semantics, what was he 4.2?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

far easier to avoid the issue, carry on, all is fine at Hawthorn. Semantics, what was he 4.2?

Hey, if you want to just make things up as you go along, that's fine, but you should stop acting like you know anything about Hawthorn and how specific players turned up to preseason training in 2008.
You've already had 2 cracks at it and failed dismally, I would've thought that was enough.

 

[Falchoon]

Hey, if you want to just make things up as you go along, that's fine, but you should stop acting like you know anything about Hawthorn and how specific players turned up to preseason training in 2008.
You've already had 2 cracks at it and failed dismally, I would've thought that was enough.

quoting a national newspaper is a fail? should I pull topics from the Hawthorn board instead?

 

[Schmucta]

Fremantle.

They are certainly due.

 

[SirJimi05]

Exactly as I thought.

This photo is your sole 'proof' that "Hodge was at least 5kg's overweight" coming into the preseason. Spare me.

Surely you are not delusional enough to believe that the Hawthorn players didn't party a little bit too long and hard after thir GF win?

Some of them looked like they hadn't stopped drinking since GF night.

 

[Selggad]

If a "bolter" is defined as a club that comes from the bottom 4 and makes the 8, then I don't think it is likely there will be one in 2010.

If North have an injury free run, they are a chance to snag 8th spot, but a lot has to go right.

I can't see Freo, Melbourne or Richmond doing it even if they have a good run. Freo and Melbourne are still a minimum 2 years away from finals, and the Tiges could be as far as 5 years away.

I'm not going to pump Freos tyres up too much as they have let me down too often but I don't think your seeing the quality we have. We have a very good spine (Pavlich, McPharlin and Tarrant in 3 KPs is pretty fair plus Hasleby in the centre), a twice AA ruckman who is still improving, a few other decent players coming off injury ravaged seasons (Hayden, Headland and Crowley for starters) plus a lot of good young kids. Same as for Norths a lot of things would have to go right, but if it all fell into place we could make the eight or at least give it a fair shake. For what's it worth I'm actually prediciting a 10 -12 finish for us this year with 8 - 10 wins.

 

[Drizt]

Exactly as I thought.

This photo is your sole 'proof' that "Hodge was at least 5kg's overweight" coming into the preseason. Spare me.

That picture does suggest he is at least 5kgs over weight.