3rd Test Squad named - Guess who's still there

[pickman]

I'm just going to put this here http://www.limboclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=572457&postcount=3711

 

[Heisenberg_]

you seem to be overlooking the fact that Wade is also a sub standard keeper being propped up by his batting exploits, just like Haddin.

If you want to drop Haddin due to his keeping standards, then you need to replace him with Hartley or similar, no point in dropping a bad keeper who can bat, for another bad keeper who can bat.

He is not anywhere near as bad as Haddin, ignorant people who have very little idea are still judging him on the Shield final when he was 21.
Strangely enough he has improved a lot since then, who would have thought that a young keeper would improve

 

[Heisenberg_]

in the same year, he probably broke the record for dropped chances and byes conceded.

He's no good. If he were any good, actual cricket people would already be calling for his inclusion, but the silence is deafening.

Get a clue champ, just because you think it doesn't make it so, before Micket Arthur was appointed coach, during the WA and Victoria shield match he said Wade is easily Test standard wicket keeper.
I think I will take his opinion over some idiots on an internet forum who have barely seen him play and actually think Haddin is a better keeper. Give it up you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Anyone get the feeling Thommo's seen Wade keep in one game and is assuming he's like that all the time?

 

[Lemma]

My theory is Thommo just wants Hartley so he's happy to talk down Wade

 

[Bucking Beads]

Hartley is probably the best keeper but at his age and with Wade performing so well why would they pick Hartley?

 

[dan warna]

Hartley is probably the best keeper but at his age and with Wade performing so well why would they pick Hartley?

Can't remember seeing hartley keep, but his 'numbers' stack up well and everyone I've spoken to, or chatted to agree that hartley is the best keeper in the land.

He's 29, or so, younger or about the same age as when haddin and katich first started playing for Aus.

The 20 to 30 runs he scores would be handy, however the fact he DOES NOT have a reputation for every dropping catches would indicate that his batting wouldn't matter that much.

Berry and healy are examples of two recent quality keepers at state and national level who were worth their weight because of their keeping.

I've argued for hartley in threads here as well.

Age should NOT be an issue as it was not an issue for a few players getting their call up relatively late (hussey, katich and haddin among those who come to mind recently).

and at 28/29, if they WON'T pick wade, hartley is certainly got 3 to 4 seasons of quality cricket ahead of him.

Rather have hartley than baddin, any day of the week. Was a fan of paine's work in his previous stint in the test side.

Having baddin in the side is embarrassing.

 

[The Passenger]

hartley's keeping is very good.

his batting lately has been ordinary, especially up on the gabba track.

still would go with wade. good enough keeper, and his batting is very good.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I'd be pushing for Hartley if he was in good form with the bat, hasn't been his best year.

 

[The Passenger]

I'd be pushing for Hartley if he was in good form with the bat, hasn't been his best year.

IIRC aside from a couple of seasons (maybe three, max) he has been pretty ordinary with the bat...

 

[dan warna]

Just out of interest, why aren't people discussing faulkner?

he's about as fast as Starc, and his a left arm bowler?

Across the board his numbers add up to better than starc, and he looks handy?

22 years old, 60 odd wickets at 25 ish, and bowling about 130-140 ish?

he's handy with the bat too.

 

[The Passenger]

pretty sure fualkner has been mentioned by many people....

i would've picked him in front of hilfenhaus for the india series considering the guys that were unavailable... woops.... except faulkner would've picked up 2 10-fors

very very good prospect.

 

[dan warna]

pretty sure fualkner has been mentioned by many people....

i would've picked him in front of hilfenhaus for the india series considering the guys that were unavailable... woops.... except faulkner would've picked up 2 10-fors

very very good prospect.

seen his name in passing here and there, but not on the selection table. surely if they are looking for a young up and coming lefty, why go for the one with 55 wickets at 35 instead of 65 at 25?


Tassy quota full with cown, punter and hilfy?

 

[BluesMan]

When I think Hartley, I think Reece Young...

A keeper must be able to bat well now. No "speciality keeper" role in international sides.

 

[dan warna]

When I think Hartley, I think Reece Young...

A keeper must be able to bat well now. No "speciality keeper" role in international sides.

I think this is foolish planning. A quality keeper is worth any difference in runs between a batsman who is an adequate first slip with some big gloves and pads and a genuine keeper. Not that haddin contributing with the bat either.

Gilchrist was something special. Healy was brilliant as well, and batted with maturity to the best of his ability.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Great

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/coach-keeping-faith-in-haddin/story-e6frfg8o-1226240279169

Haddin struggled during the Test, dropping Indian opener Gautam Gambhir and his general glovework was beneath his best, often complicated by balls swinging after they had passed the batsman.

But Arthur sees no cause for alarm with the Test team now solidfying after a turbulent year.

"I still believe in Brad," Arthur said. "I love his character. I love the way he is around the group.

"He is our vice-captain and he lives that role really well.

"I am confident we are going to get the best out of Brad in the Perth Test match.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/coach-keeping-faith-in-haddin/story-e6frfg8o-1226240279169

So effectively, he is in the team because he is 'good to have around'. What a joke.

 

[BarneyBent]

Great

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/coach-keeping-faith-in-haddin/story-e6frfg8o-1226240279169




http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/coach-keeping-faith-in-haddin/story-e6frfg8o-1226240279169

So effectively, he is in the team because he is 'good to have around'. What a joke.

They don't want to drop him. They need an excuse why. I'm sure that's not the real reason he's being kept (hoping he comes good/waiting for Paine would be), otherwise Steve Smith would still be in the Test team.

Just out of interest, why aren't people discussing faulkner?

he's about as fast as Starc, and his a left arm bowler?

Across the board his numbers add up to better than starc, and he looks handy?

22 years old, 60 odd wickets at 25 ish, and bowling about 130-140 ish?

he's handy with the bat too.

I'm excited about Faulkner, but I thought he was more around the 130 mark than 130-140?

Also, Starc was selected for Australia in the ODI team and performed (which isn't surprising, as he's very well suited to the shorter formats), so he was always going to be considered ahead of Faulkner. Also, he arguably has more natural tools (greater height, greater swing, and better pace). Throwing him into the Test side was always going to be a gamble that the stars aligned, a high risk, high reward selection.

Also, IIRC Faulkner's form with the ball in FC matches hasn't been great this year. But in any case, his name has certainly been thrown about on this board.

 

[aussierulesrules]

seen his name in passing here and there, but not on the selection table. surely if they are looking for a young up and coming lefty, why go for the one with 55 wickets at 35 instead of 65 at 25?


Tassy quota full with cown, punter and hilfy?

Faulkner is surely on the radar for the national T20 side and maybe even the ODI side. Got another 4 wickets in the Big Bash tonight (albeit went for lots of runs as well) and has a great slower ball (like Clint McKay) and can bat. Won't be long before he's in the yellow clothing and then he'll have a great chance to put his name at the forefront for possible test duties. Top talent. (About to have an op on his finger though).

 

[Drummond]

Faulkner is still a spud in my eyes, lets not go there please.

Go Mitch, hope he plays.

 

[BluesMan]

I think this is foolish planning. A quality keeper is worth any difference in runs between a batsman who is an adequate first slip with some big gloves and pads and a genuine keeper. Not that haddin contributing with the bat either.

Gilchrist was something special. Healy was brilliant as well, and batted with maturity to the best of his ability.

TBH, I think keeping is overrated. For someone to be keeping for most of their playing lives, they should be very adequate to keep at the highest level (most state WK). But now, modern day times, you gotta bat. And its fact, there are alot more batting keepers, than just keepers now days than there were 20+ years ago. Thats why hartley won't get a gig. He's not a good bat.

 

[frankrizzo]

I think the opposite, test match keeping is underrated which is why we are getting so many duds at test level costing their teams dearly.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Experience? LOL....

Yes experience. Not that I agree but it would be the logic here. He isn't VC for nothing.

 

[The Passenger]

I'm excited about Faulkner, but I thought he was more around the 130 mark than 130-140?

Also, IIRC Faulkner's form with the ball in FC matches hasn't been great this year. But in any case, his name has certainly been thrown about on this board.

faulkner was pushing the 140 mark in last years shield final...

bowled absolute shite, and very listless, in a one dayer about a month or so ago. i think it was against victoria... i thought maybe he had regressed this year, but in the bits and pieces i've seen since he has looked much better so i reckon that as just an off day.

has 19 wickets at 29 so far this season. solid but not spectacular.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

no starc please, we can't have him bowling pies and undoing the hard work of our other bowlers

 

[aussie1st]

I would have preferred Faulkner in the NZ series but the selectors obviously thought potential of Starc outweighs performances by Faulkner thus far.

On another note http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/haddin-barb-turns-up-heat-on-fragile-india-20120109-1pruv.html

Seriously Haddin, how about getting your own game in order first.