Will Essendon win the Flag ?

[JD11]

fletcher couldn't shut down a kp, yeah. and hendo couldn't provide one quarter of the offensive play that fletch does, your marking fletcher on hendersons criteria.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Then it will be pretty easy to point out many examples of when this has been the case?

Even last year we only had 2 wins after round 5.

2 1/2. One was a 5 pt loss to Sydney in Sydney the other was the obvious loss to a firing Collngwood. After Round 8 you had 5 1/2 wins including a draw with us and a win over the Eagles. You weren't going bad. Let's not get selective. Then it turned to sh1t again by round 9. Also easy to point out the late season shellackings against us in the last couple of years.

2010 on the other hand wasn't as good.....as you suggested. Just saved it for us in round 3.

I might've gone early....lol!

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Fletcher rarely takes the best forward and that's why he has only had one All Australian in a decade. Right now, as we speak, Fletcher couldn't shut down star KPFs like Henderson can consistently. Hendersons run and carry is also very underrated. Fletcher was great in his day, but Henderson is a much better one on one defender now. Not taking anything away from Fletch, but Henderson has went past him as a player this year.

What exactly has Henderson done this season to be considered amazing on these boards. He shut down Cloke when the ball was rarely there, what else? He kept Hurley to 9 possies and a goal in a half. Not sure what happened with Crameri in the second half. And Pavlich played half their game in the midfield.
Dont get me wrong, hes a good player but...

 

[Astro Bomber]

Fletcher rarely takes the best forward and that's why he has only had one All Australian in a decade. Right now, as we speak, Fletcher couldn't shut down star KPFs like Henderson can consistently. Hendersons run and carry is also very underrated. Fletcher was great in his day, but Henderson is a much better one on one defender now. Not taking anything away from Fletch, but Henderson has went past him as a player this year.

You are what I would class as a "star" troll.

 

[Necromancer Beth]

fletcher couldn't shut down a kp, yeah. and hendo couldn't provide one quarter of the offensive play that fletch does, your marking fletcher on hendersons criteria.

Fletcher is still a better attacking defender than Henderson, but Henderson is improving remarkably in that category as well. Kid is a star.

I'm not saying Henderson has had a better career than Fletcher, but in 2012, Henderson is the in-form defender IMO and is improving as a player rapidly.

 

[CarltonKid07]

I dont want to live on this planet anymore

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Fletcher rarely takes the best forward and that's why he has only had one All Australian in a decade. Right now, as we speak, Fletcher couldn't shut down star KPFs like Henderson can consistently. Hendersons run and carry is also very underrated. Fletcher was great in his day, but Henderson is a much better one on one defender now. Not taking anything away from Fletch, but Henderson has went past him as a player this year.

Fletcher is 37 years old and still 10 times the player Henderson is.

 

[The Speaker]

Henderson has been quite good this year. Not great, as we have a habit on BigFooty of overrating the performances of defenders to try and draw attention to them.

But "star power" is a very silly thing to try and guess who will win the premiership by.

 

[Necromancer Beth]

Fletcher is 37 years old and still 10 times the player Henderson is.

No he isn't mate. Henderson has went past him this year.

 

[CarltonKid07]

Fletcher is 37 years old and still 10 times the player Henderson is.

Used to be 10 times better.

 

[lmach]

Ours and West Coast midfields are quite close in terms of ability. Imo

Watson - Priddis
Stanton - Kerr
Zaharakis - Shuey
Hocking - Selwood
Melksham- Gaff

Watson = Priddis
Kerr > Stanton
Zaharakis = Shuey
Selwood > Hocking
Gaff > Melksham

 

[Necromancer Beth]

Watson = Priddis
Kerr > Stanton
Zaharakis = Shuey
Selwood > Hocking
Gaff > Melksham

I would agree with that.

 

[Sector 7G]

Henderson is shit then, right?

Because I could have sworn 35,000 people bronx cheered him in Rd 4 last year. The other 35,000 were shattered that he went off because he was probably Essendon's best player up until that point.

A) I am not saying Stanton is a bad player, I am just saying like Henderson he was not thought by his teams supporters to be playing well at the start last year. In Stantons case the "bronx cheers", though to me they sounded a lot more like booing, were so bad that Hird, Lloyd and Tim Watson came out to say what a disgrace the Essendon supporters were and that it might lead to him leading the club. From this I concluded Stanton was not in the same class as Kerr. I did state that over the last 6 weeks he had been, though he will need to overcome the heavy tag he will now command.

B)You are totally wrong on Henderson being Essendons best player Rd4 as Collins clear was. Henderson couldn't tough it, Collins butchered his 2 shots at goal and gave up 4 frees for holding the ball. By the end of the game you could see that he didn't want the ball to come near him.

 

[CarltonKid07]

Neither are spuds, Hooker is underrated however, has had a good year, yet to have had a bag kicked on him.

Okay they are hookers then

 

[Call Me Cake]

I'd say Dempsey offers more to our side than Yarran does for Carlton, let alone Henderson.

Troll or not - Carlton's backline as a collective is really not the place you want to be staking a case for 2012 premiership glory...

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Should/when they beat an undefeated west coast at docklands on the weekend, the spotlight will be on them and rightly so.
They are the form Victorian side playing great football with clearly good depth.

I have to admit I didn't see them coming on so fast but players like crameri, Hurley, Stanton, bellchambers, heppel are turning into genuine superstars they are on track to finish top four and if they do watch out.

Surely they have to be considered legitimate flag threats??

Stanton has always been a champion...
And how are they "the form" Victorian side, ladder position and the fact they almost got beaten by GC would suggest otherwise.
No they will not win the flag, not even in this cycle unless they do some big F/A moves in the next couple of seasons. To my mind they will be a WBD of the last 4 years, always quick and explosive but inconsitent and will never do better than a prelim.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Watson = Priddis
Kerr > Stanton
Zaharakis = Shuey
Selwood > Hocking
Gaff > Melksham

Watson>Priddis
Zaharakis=Shuey
Selwood>Hocking
Heppell=Gaff
Kerr>Stanton(Although I believe Kerrs best is behind him)

IMO

 

[The Speaker]

I should also add that this thread is a bad thread, designed only to bring in the usual suspects either before something happens (ie now) or after such a time when Essendon lose a few games (so that they Essendon has again shown it can't "live up to expectations").

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I'd say Dempsey offers more to our side than Yarran does for Carlton, let alone Henderson.

Carlton's backline as a collective is really not the place you want to be stating a case for 2012 premiership glory...

Do you have any evidence for why dempsey, a taller more defensive minded player, is better than yarran a half back flank rebounder, more of a deep midfielder than a backman. They play different roles regardless of the fact yarran is clearly better.

And henderson is probably in the top two or three for the AA centre half back at the moment...

 

[CarltonKid07]

Premiership Threats
WCE, Geelong, Collingwood/Hawthorn (if they get in form), Carlton and maybe Sydney

 

[lmach]

Watson>Priddis
Zaharakis=Shuey
Selwood>Hocking
Heppell=Gaff
Kerr>Stanton(Although I believe Kerrs best is behind him)

Watson better than Priddis?
You got that one right
Also right
Heppell isn't a midfielder
Stanton's a seagull

 

[Street Fighter]

Watson = Priddis
Kerr > Stanton
Zaharakis = Shuey
Selwood > Hocking
Gaff > Melksham

This year going on form

Watson = Priddis
Stanton > Kerr
Zaharakis > Shuey
Hocking < Selwood
Melksham < Gaff

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Watson better than Priddis?
You got that one right
Also right
Heppell isn't a midfielder
Stanton's a seagull

Stanton actually plays a full season so in evaluation its probably
Stanton>Kerr
Heppell has played midfield before as well. Gaff is also basically your Stanton, you're not saying he is a seagull are you?

 

[JD11]

shuey > zaka

in 2012.

 

[Street Fighter]

No he isn't mate. Henderson has went past him this year.

Henderson is having a great year, but don't underrate Fletch's year just because you think he's 37 and past it. Still going very well.

Both would be Hawks best defender quite easily, but that's a moot point.