Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

[Mattrox]

Bay 13 is that way --->

The way this thread was going I though it must have been moved. Port fan not wanting Crows to get Toumpas, a typical troll reply.

 

[Mattrox]

I do believe people value draft picks too highly, and Tippett is certainly proven, but just going on market value. If Mitch Clark got pick 12 I'd say Tippett is worth slightly above that.

So would pick 8 and Polec be unreasonable?

 

[Wargreymon90]

Pick 8 is fair for Tippett if I'm being serious. No player will be needed on top of that. Especially not a gun youngster like polec

 

[Mr_Moogle]

While i respect your idea, i wonder; is it better to accept unders from Sydney (if that's what happens), assuming he'll probably get to Sydney for nothing in the PSD anyway?

Surely if you are worried about making Sydney stronger, letting us have Tippett + pick 22 is worse than letting us have Tippett and you having pick 22?

Plenty of good players have gone lower than pick 22. For example, in 2006 a guy called Kurt Tippett was drafted at pick 32.

I wouldn't think letting Sydney have a free pick 22, while losing out on one yourself helps Adelaide's cause too much.

I seriously doubt Sydney would get him in the PSD but there's always a chance that could happen.

Personally its about setting a precedent. If players know there's a risk of being thrown into the PSD, they might not be so quick to pull the dodgy on us like Kurt did. And you'd be kidding yourself if you don't think his treatment of our club was dodgy. We paid him way more money than he ever deserved and had to endure all that bullshit about being homesick. Then he ends up nominating Sydney, a side that has literally nothing to offer us in terms of picks, a side completely unwilling to part with any of their premiership players. He's completely screwed us here. He's the worst kind of bandwagoner. I could have respected him leaving if he went back to Queensland but this has left a really sour taste.

If we're not going to get anything decent for him, we have nothing to lose with putting him into the PSD.

 

[PTizzle]

So would pick 8 and Polec be unreasonable?

Yes. Pick 8 would be fair.

 

[.Shotties.]

I seriously doubt Sydney would get him in the PSD but there's always a chance that could happen.

Why is there this fixation on the PSD and the idea that every team is lining up with picks for it? He's able to nominate for the ND as well.

 

[db swannie]

Give us a pick that secures Toumpas and I bet AFC starts to talk turkey. Get it off Melbourne or GWS. I doubt we would ask for 22 then and you can keep White since he is supposedly worthy of being part of the Tippett trade.

Anything short of a decent outside running player + 22. A top 5 pick or 2 picks in the top 10 is just Bay 13 worthy.

With Tippett the Sydney team will be very hard to beat. There will be several teams interested come PSD time.

We already are very hard to beat. We are the premiers, remember?

We don't need Tippett. He'd be handy, but we'll do fine without him. Happy to see him go into the PSD and end up at GC.

 

[Blacky]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/10/14/12/15/sydney-second-most-expensive-city

Looks like you can all eat a big one

 

[Mattrox]

We already are very hard to beat. We are the premiers, remember?

We don't need Tippett. He'd be handy, but we'll do fine without him. Happy to see him go into the PSD and end up at GC.

But will you continue to be that way as your ageing players retire?

 

[Mattrox]

Besides, Geelong were reigning premiers this year. Didn't mean much when they lost to Freo in the finals.

 

[Hodge is God]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/10/14/12/15/sydney-second-most-expensive-city

Looks like you can all eat a big one

Because it should matter.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Why is there this fixation on the PSD and the idea that every team is lining up with picks for it? He's able to nominate for the ND as well.

I was under the impression those picks would likely go to other sides before Sydney got theirs.

 

[.Shotties.]

I was under the impression those picks would likely go to other sides before Sydney got theirs.

Assuming it goes to the PSD, how many teams have taken part in PSDs in the last few years?

 

[swanton]

I was under the impression those picks would likely go to other sides before Sydney got theirs.

Its pretty obvious he meant that club's would not be willing to give up a top 20 pick in the ND do get a player who doesn't want to play for them, that's on top of paying him 800k over 4 years, a PSD pick is pretty much a free pick

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Its pretty obvious he meant that club's would not be willing to give up a top 20 pick in the ND do get a player who doesn't want to play for them, that's on top of paying him 800k over 4 years, a PSD pick is pretty much a free pick

Thats fair enough logic. Its all sort of moot anyway. I don't seriously think the Crows would be willing to walk away empty handed.

 

[Mattrox]

We already are very hard to beat. We are the premiers, remember?

We don't need Tippett. He'd be handy, but we'll do fine without him. Happy to see him go into the PSD and end up at GC.

Clearly the Swans disagree as they offered a contract which priced GC and Brisbane out of the market.

 

[MrPresident]

Clearly the Swans disagree as they offered a contract which priced GC and Brisbane out of the market.

Which is why people thinking he won't get to us in the PSD are foolish. Our two most likely rivals are priced out.

Among the other teams, none have 800k+ of cap space just sitting around doing nothing this time of year. Very few clubs would have that flexibility when its PSD time. And of those that do, none would spend that much money on a player that wants to be elsewhere.

I'm genuinely curious to know what the reaction of Adelaide fans will be IF they don't accept our best offer and IF he goes to us in the PSD for nothing. Will you be satisfied with that? Will some kind of moral crusade be worth the same team getting him for nothing?

 

[db swannie]

But will you continue to be that way as your ageing players retire?

And as our younger guns get even better? Get a grip.

 

[db swannie]

Besides, Geelong were reigning premiers this year. Didn't mean much when they lost to Freo in the finals.

Geelong just finished an impressive reign of 3 flags in 5 years. We are entering a pretty exciting phase for our club, not exiting one. Poor comparison.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

And as our younger guns get even better? Get a grip.

Because no other team's younger guns will get any better?

Especially those that do not have eight 29+ year olds in their starting 22.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

LOL @ the Crows threatening to send him into the draft.

"Yeah, well we will send him into the draft, then you will have to give up pick 22 alone for him and we will get nothing. Take that Sydney!"

 

[.Shotties.]

Because no other team's younger guns will get any better?

Especially those that do not have eight 29+ year olds in their starting 22.

I think the point being made is that just saying a team will flatly improve or decline because of age brackets is a big disingenuous.

 

[db swannie]

Because no other team's younger guns will get any better?

Especially those that do not have eight 29+ year olds in their starting 22.

Of course it applies to everyone else. Read the post I was responding to before you open your bitter Hawthorn trap.

 

[Mattrox]

Which is why people thinking he won't get to us in the PSD are foolish. Our two most likely rivals are priced out.

Among the other teams, not money have 800k+ of cap space just sitting around doing nothing this time of year. Very few clubs would have that flexibility when its PSD time. And of those that do, none would spend that much money on a player that wants to be elsewhere.

I'm genuinely curious to know what the reaction of Adelaide fans will be IF they don't accept our best offer and IF he goes to us in the PSD for nothing. Will you be satisfied with that? Will some kind of moral crusade be worth the same team getting him for nothing?

The draft is the only recourse that a club can take. Adelaide FC needs to take a stand otherwise it becomes the club that players can choose to leave on a whim because they trade poorly. I think Sydney will re-think the best offer.

Ireland said "next year Tippett will be on less than....." It's not a stretch to think that indicates his offer is back loaded. Carlton would find cap space to match an offer that Sydney could take up. Kurt would be dumb to nominate a 4 yr contract in the draft because a Carlton could arrange to have money/cap space available in the 3rd and 4th yr. The draft is a big risk for Kurt. If Sydney don't want him that badly they should call the deal off on Monday so we can go to Brisbane GC and now we know Sydney is home GWS for a trade.

 

[MrPresident]

But will you continue to be that way as your ageing players retire?

MANY of our important players have retired since the 2005 GF and we've hardly missed a beat.

Goodes and Bolton are no longer vital to our success. This year we won important games when both of those two were injured or below their best. Yes ROK played a big part in our GF win but even what he brings to the table is replaceable. All of our most important players are on the right side of 30. Kennedy, Jetta, Mumford, Reid, Hannebery and Jack are the core of this team. The core of this team is young with many years of its prime left.

Getting Tippett makes us a better team, fills our only significant weakness and makes us arguably 2013 favourites. But even without him we'll still be top 4 contenders for the next several years.