Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

[Mattrox]

Yeah but I imagine all things being equal he'd rather play for the current premiers rather than the current wooden spooners.

But as a non-freeagent Tippett doesn't get to full exercise his 'druthers.

 

[Gongswan]

Its all about publicity, taking some space away from Sth up here in the papers. Reminding Sydney theres another team.

Yeah that sounds about right, all about publicity, wrong time of teh year for it, and wrong way to go about it, but Sheeds is nothing if not good at grabbing a headline. Seriously, when the player says yes I'll go to GWS, I will commence to panicking immediately, or not, who cares

 

[Tedeski]

There are four ways it can go from here. In order of best for us

1. Sydney backs out of the chase with a quick sorry and a handshake for Tippett, like the Hawks did when they chased O'Keefe, leaving his previous 'nomination' null and void. Unlike O'Keefe, Tippett burned down all the bridges and pissed on the ashes, so he has to make a new nomination - GWS can offer the same city, and slightly less money but a similar contract length, plus they'll be looking to close the deal quickly before time runs out/someone else jumps in. They have the best picks to trade to us.

2. The above with Sydney happens, but before GWS can seal the deal Gold Coast forgets his earlier slight, and suddenly remember they still have $600k a year spare if he's interested in coming to his actual home. A decent player and pick 25 to trade to us, which is ok, and they'll still need to get the deal done before any drafts.

3. Sydney finally sucks it up, accepts why the rest of the competition thought they were out of their skulls for thinking they could make this happen for nothing, and trades one of their 40 "untouchables" out to bring in a pick inside the top 15, to send over with pick 22.

4. The whole shebang comes crashing down in a mess of flailing list managers and agents, and Tippett ends up at the GWS anyway - with pick 13, or PSD pick 1, it's a cast iron guarantee. However, we get nothing for it.

We don't have to say sorry & GWS HAVE TO match or better Sydneys offer or they don't have a leg to stand on.

Sydney have done their homework!

 

[Draft Bored]

Trade month sure is too long.

I'm surprised Garry Lyon and Craig Hutchinson don't have a TV show devoted to it.

 

[MrPresident]

With Patton and Cameron already there Tippett would be a terrible fit for them. There's only so many KPF you can put in a team before they get in each others way. And if rotations are capped at 80 then having too many becomes even more of a burden.

If we don't get him I wouldn't mind him going to GWS at all because I think they'd be making a serious list error and they'll be worse off.

 

[The_Answer3]

Trade period isn't designed for the fans and media to be an exciting extraveganza!

It's longer to assist players and teams reach deals and FA offers to assist them in acheiving the desire outcome instead of missing out and having disgruntled parties because there wasn't enough time.

Appologies to all you bored folk that peoples jobs and buisness' are getting in the way of your fapping.

 

[Lord Eddard]

Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?

 

[Draft Bored]

Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?

I don't think your numbers add up. Based on what you've suggested he would be getting 1m + 3x1.4m = 5.2m? Or are you saying 1m plus 1.4m which equals 600 a year?

You'd be paying 1.3m a year for Tippett which would be a terrible decision. Or 600 which wouldn't be enough?

 

[Gongswan]

Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?

We don't have a mil to give him under the cap next year

 

[Lord Eddard]

I don't think your numbers add up. Wouldn't be be getting 1 mill + 3x1.4 = 5.2 mil.

You'd be paying 1.3 a year for Tippett which would be a terrible decision.

No it's (1 + 1.4) / (1 + 3) = 0.8

 

[Draft Bored]

No it's (1 + 1.4) / (1 + 3) = 0.8

That equals 600k.

 

[Lord Eddard]

That equals 600k.

Lol you're right, you get the idea though.

 

[Gongswan]

Lol you're right, you get the idea though.

It amounts to front loading his contract, which, unless someone retires, I don't think we can do.

 

[Draft Bored]

Lol you're right, you get the idea though.

Yeah I see what you mean. I reckon Sydney would feel more secure locking him down for 4 or risking not getting him in the draft.

If Sydney go back to back, Tippett would have his premiership ticked off and might think he's worth 2 million a year.

 

[Gongswan]

Yeah I see what you mean. I reckon Sydney would feel more secure locking him down for 4 or risking not getting him in the draft.

If Sydney go back to back, Tippett would have his premiership ticked off and might think he's worth 2 million a year.

We'd do the contract extension mid year

 

[Lord Eddard]

We'd do the contract extension mid year

Now you're on board!

 

[swanton]

No there is a minimum of a 2year contract whether it is PSD or ND, so there is no silly buggers like you have suggested.
Anyway we dont have a spare million in our cap. We want it back eneded so when the likes of goodsey and ROK retire then we will have ALOT of money which we will use to pay tippett

For example Y1 = 600k Y2 = 600k Y3 = 1.2m Y4 = 1.2m

 

[Lord Eddard]

No there is a minimum of a 2year contract whether it is PSD or ND, so there is no silly buggers like you have suggested.
Anyway we dont have a spare million in our cap. We want it back eneded so when the likes of goodsey and ROK retire then we will have ALOT of money which we will use to pay tippett

For example Y1 = 600k Y2 = 600k Y3 = 1.2m Y4 = 1.2m

Thanks for clearing that up. Was curious. Funny that you can only sign for 2 years though. What if you were a 32 yr old and your body only had 1 season left. Would be very unfair.

 

[Draft Bored]

Thanks for clearing that up. Was curious. Funny that you can only sign for 2 years though. What if you were a 32 yr old and your body only had 1 season left. Would be very unfair.

Or a 25 yr old with 1 concussion left.

Just kidding!

 

[bobshoby]

Thank god for Kevin Sheedy
Now we'll see if Sydney want to make any serious offers for $kirt

 

[Danair]

Thank god for Kevin Sheedy
Now we'll see if Sydney want to make any serious offers for $kirt

Unless Tippett says he's open to being traded to GWS nothing changes.

 

[bobshoby]

Unless Tippett says he's open to being traded to GWS nothing changes.

our threat to send him to the PSD suddenly looks a lot more potent

 

[MrPresident]

I still think the sudden "interest" from GWS is just game playing to make us give more up. I just don't see where he fits in. Where is he going to play with 2 elite KPF talents on that team already in Patton and Cameron. Will they really pay 800k for a backup ruckman?

 

[bobshoby]

I still think the sudden "interest" from GWS is just game playing to make us give more up. I just don't see where he fits in. Where is he going to play with 2 elite KPF talents on that team already in Patton and Cameron. Will they really pay 800k for a backup ruckman?

He fits in nicely with their development, grab him for 3-4 years and by that time they're around 23 and hitting their AFL peak as he starts to decline.
Money probably isn't an issue, the AFL doesn't leave its precious Sydney clubs wanting

 

[Danair]

our threat to send him to the PSD suddenly looks a lot more potent

That's if GWS have the $ to match our offer.

Front loaded contracts could possibly be the reason they havn't signed any uncontracted players this year and refused to pay Giles 300k next season.

They had to dramaticallly overpay Scully (and his dad), Ward and Davis to convince them to sign and will have to do the same with their young recruits (Patton, Tyson, Hoskin-Eliiot).

Just some brinksmanship from a club (Sheedy) struggling to compete for any news in a city with the Premiers.