News EFC asks AFL and ASADA for probe into own training regime

[liam_13]

Kyle Reimers permanent ban for bringing game into disrepute

Any player indirectly responsible for bringing up a 80000 views thread is bringing the game into disrepute for creating shit-slinging (granted, I love a bit of shit slinging myself).

These would include:
Brock McLean (comments regarding tanking, nek minut, which is very appropriate terminology, numerous 1000+ threads pop up)
Chris Judd (chicken-wing brought out the shit slinging)
Kyle Reimers (this)

Kurt Tippett and a few St Kilda footballers also

 

[Keystone agony]

We do know Adrian Demetriou is just gonna offer Kyle McGlaughlin 10mill and 5 mill to his kids to declare nothing is wrong with the game, drugs, essendon ect. At the end of the day he knows hes gonna lose the anzac game, indingenous round, goddard vs saint games, the brownlow medalist, heaps of money unfortunatly his maths is quite good and 17/2 doesnt equal a rounded number thus so many byes and fixturing problems.

Mcglaughlin will be the real winner in all of this.

 

[the harry]

Just dropping by to wish you guys well with it all. Hope that nothing comes of this and it is just the club being ultra cautious with the rumours.

Side note, if T Bellchambers is not your starting ruck round 1 then you aren't trying to win. Kid is very good.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Just dropping by to wish you guys well with it all. Hope that nothing comes of this and it is just the club being ultra cautious with the rumours.

Side note, if T Bellchambers is not your starting ruck round 1 then you aren't trying to win. Kid is very good.

He is our number one ruckman.

 

[Phone]

Side note, if T Bellchambers is not your starting ruck round 1 then you aren't trying to win. Kid is very good.

It's funny you say that the way you do, because there's no doubt hille/ryder is a much more effective combo than bellchambers/ryder and the one that should be used if we're indeed trying to win every game. but it's also not the future.

#beatingadeadhorse

 

[dnbassador]

Least all ex essendon players arent offended always had so much respect for gus and love how he knows the media are trying to fuel the fire with limited football news


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...ndon-drugs-probe/story-e6frf9jf-1226571150300

 

[Jobe Watson]

Pretty much sums up the entire day.

 

[Keystone agony]

At least we gained another supporter

http://pics.lockerz.com/s/281521727

 

[The Bomb]

ben the gooner, yoda or someone who knows what they are talking about please say something reassuring.....

read this thread, some hope in the end if he is right.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/weapon-targeted.978571/

 

[Bombers36]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-facing-afl-investigation/story-fnelctok-1226570861343

Could be a bit of a storm in a tea cup. Hopefully it was only Dank, the weapon & a handful of players some of whom may no longer even be at the club. Dont think the calibre of guys like Fletch, Jobe & Stants would knowingly inject themselves with anything they knew to be illegally performance enhancing, & if a few players have done something under the instruction of Dank or the weapon that they didnt know was illegal then I dont really think they are guilty of any crime.
If players were knowingly 'shooting up' illegal performance enhancers then it will be a whole different story - but I think when it all comes out in the wash that wont be the case.

 

[LeverPuller]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-facing-afl-investigation/story-fnelctok-1226570861343

Could be a bit of a storm in a tea cup. Hopefully it was only Dank, the weapon & a handful of players some of whom may no longer even be at the club. Dont think the calibre of guys like Fletch, Jobe & Stants would knowingly inject themselves with anything they knew to be illegally performance enhancing, & if a few players have done something under the instruction of Dank or the weapon that they didnt know was illegal then I dont really think they are guilty of any crime.
If players were knowingly 'shooting up' illegal performance enhancers then it will be a whole different story - but i dont think when it all comes out in the wash that wont be the case.

Unfortunately not.

The thing I need to stress to you guys is this is NOT an AFL investigation. The ASADA don't give a toss about the fate of the side involved. They also don't accept the ignorance defence. If it comes out that supplements breached the WADA code, every single player who did it is completely screwed.

For a guide, Alberto Contador tested positive to a trace of clenbuterol. A trace so low it wasn't even useful. Claimed it may have been contaminated food. WADA didn't care; threw him out for 2 years.

It's a whole other game here, and that's what seriously worries me.

 

[Rack Watts]

Is this what it feels like to go for West Coast?

 

[HBFlanker]

Lol at the people earlier in this thread putting the knives in Sam lonergan and Brent prismall, thinking it was them that spoke out.

Really showing your true colours there. A bloke like lonergan tried his guts out for years for a mediocre team, then as soon as he gets the chop, you falsely accuse him of something that peanut Reimers did.

Grow up, you dug your own hole hiring Robinson. His ego is as big as his steroid filled body.

He took credit for Geelongs success, please spare me. They were the most naturally gifted playing group of the past 20 years.

He comes to essendon, to a group that has no where near the ability of Geelong, and risks the players well being and reputation of the club, to enhance his own reputation by quickly improving essendons fitness and strength, by using this stuff.

The only people I feel sorry for are the essendon playing group and the supporters. All of whom were clearly kept in the dark about these products.

 

[Rack Watts]

Essendon

The team that you guys are obsessed with.
Nothing will come from this and you'll still have a tainted late 90's.
I know this after speaking to a player that I know personally that you mentioned in your post about it, he's a personal friend. It's all the media trying to sell papers, as there's nothing happening in the off season.

 

[HBFlanker]

The team that you guys are obsessed with.
Nothing will come from this and you'll still have a tainted late 90's.
I know this after speaking to a player that I know personally that you mentioned in your post about it, he's a personal friend. It's all the media trying to sell papers, as there's nothing happening in the off season.

This has not addressed one part of my post

 

[Rack Watts]

This has not addressed one part of my post

It's addressed the entire topic, you'll see in a couple of days.
It's worth more to the media to crack a big story and then be wrong, but have heads to chop off, than to have nothing happening in the off-season at all.
Might as well have a crack at a big club right?

 

[HBFlanker]

It's addressed the entire topic, you'll see in a couple of days.
It's worth more to the media to crack a big story and then be wrong, but have heads to chop off, than to have nothing happening in the off-season at all.
Might as well have a crack at a big club right?

By all means. A story is a story.

Just strange that a former player has come out and said the whole list thought it was dodgy.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Mark Robinson ‏@Robbo_heraldsun
as said expect massive spotlight on use of various supplements... Word is other club or clubs might come forward in coming days

we can start own comp!

There should be a summit!

 

[yaco55]

The good that will come out of this sorry affair, is that EFC will condition players to play AFL footy - Not go off on a tangent and try to have a team of sumo wrestlers.

I argued all of 2012 that we were going the wrong way in our fitness program - Footy is an aerobic game, not a power game - There was such indecent haste to stack on muscles that obviously corners were cut, nd of course we suffered an epidemic of soft tissue injuries.

Increased bulk/strength/endurance comes naturally after a planned training program - A guy who arrives at the club at 72kg after 4/5 years will end up around 82kg.

WE have to get on top of the issues caused by Sports Scientists - They have an undue influence on the game.

Even it is found that we have taken illegal substances its likely to be a case of fines/draft penalties. It's very unlikely that groups of players will be suspended, seeing that it will destroy the AFL competition and EFC, and that it's likely that other clubs may have similar issues.

And heads have to roll - I suggest that Evans/Thompson will be out the door.

The moral of the story is taking short cuts is not the way to success.

 

[Jobe3votes]

As clearly as I have stated from the moment this was out in the media yesterday, Essendon wont be banned from anything, no players will be suspended or de-registered.

I have the feeling there could be up to 8 or 9 clubs that are in a similar boat. Big bad Andy D wont want to make any club a scapegoat and ruin his competition.

Sure, it will be plastered in every newspaper today, but tomorrow (Thursday) it's a new start for all concerned. Tomorrow is 8 days from the start of the 2013 NAB pre-season Cup!

Essendon WILL only be warned & fined, nothing more, nothing less. Lets move on. Go Bombers!

 

[The Prosecutor]

I don't know about the rest of you, but after practically reading about this for the past 10 hours, I still have no idea what to think of it all. One minute I'm confident we'll come out of it fine, then the next I'm shit scared of the possibilities.

To begin with, let's start with the obvious.

What the **** were they thinking administering supplements that were 'borderline' anyway! The drugs policy is relatively clear cut in regards to what is and isn't an acceptable substance and an acceptable method of administering it. If it was such a grey area, why was clarification not sought? Why even go there if it's borderline? Just utterly ****ing ridiculous and incompetent whichever way you look at it.

Now as for the club not knowing, that is pretty damn flimsy. How exactly do you not notice players gone once a month mysteriously? As if players don't mention the injections, the coaches definitely had to have had some idea. That's also ignoring the fact that half of BigFooty knew about this scandal months before it broke. Hell, even the Herald Sun was probing around November asking the club question about it. It's extremelly naive to think the club didn't know, especially as it has been revealed the AFL had launched it's own investigation prior to the club coming forward.

All that is ignoring other questionable things such as waivers, the mysterious $10,000 expenses claimed by Dank, the off-site administering plus the possible criminal involvement.

That's all been done though, unfortunately, we need to prepare for what could still come.

I've come to the conclusion that we are either completely innocent and will walk away free of charges, or we will be found guilty and have all hell brought upon us.

Now, one news oulet is claiming that up to 80% of our list was involved in this program.

WADA/ASADA has a strict 2-year ban for those found guilty of using PED for the first time. Potentially, that could mean up to 30+ of our players would be rubbed out for two years. Then you have to factor in officials who were in on it as well, so chuck in bans for them.

If this is found to be systematic, WADA/ASADA also has the ability to ban clubs as well.

For those still unaware, ignorance is no excuse. Even if the players had no idea what they were being administered, they will still receive a two year ban.

Put simply, if our players have taken a substance deemed to an illicit substance, we are royally ****ed.

No ifs, no buts.

Make no mistake, this club will destroyed.

We better ****ing pray that no illegal substances were administered.

Hold on folks, these are dark days ahead.

I'll still put up the good fight though, The Defence Attorney may be a better username for me in the coming month.

 

[The Prosecutor]

As clearly as I have stated from the moment this was out in the media yesterday, Essendon wont be banned from anything, no players will be suspended or de-registered.

I have the feeling there could be up to 8 or 9 clubs that are in a similar boat. Big bad Andy D wont want to make any club a scapegoat and ruin his competition.

Sure, it will be plastered in every newspaper today, but tomorrow (Thursday) it's a new start for all concerned. Tomorrow is 8 days from the start of the 2013 NAB pre-season Cup!

Essendon WILL only be warned & fined, nothing more, nothing less. Lets move on. Go Bombers!

Again, this is out of the AFL's hands.

IF we're found guilty, it is WADA/ASADA who hand down bans. The only thing the AFL could really do is punish us further.

 

[LeverPuller]

Again, this is out of the AFL's hands.

IF we're found guilty, it is WADA/ASADA who hand down bans. The only thing the AFL could really do is punish us further.

I still don't know that WADA/ASADA handle sanctions against organisations.

Only source I can find is how the reaction to Operation Puerto went in cycling back in 2007. Individual cyclists were certainly banned by WADA. However, teams were not. Astana ended up not being banned under WADA regs, but they instead weren't invited by event organisers to compete in events; thus Contador was unable to defend his TdF victory.

I think any sanction against the club itself is actually handled by the AFL. That said, if it's damming the AFL would have no choice at all - to have the players smashed and the club walk would be a PR disaster. You'd almost have to be draft-penalised so you didn't "benefit" from being at the bottom of the ladder due to the loss of all your players; that's as a minimum.

 

[yaco55]

Prosecutor

I doubt very much that the worse case scenario will occur if EFC are found guilty. And the WADA provisions have flexibility in their enforcement.

It would wreak to much havoc on the AFL competition and EFC.

But whatever the outcome heads need to roll.

 

[TigerTime88]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-facing-afl-investigation/story-fnelctok-1226570861343

Could be a bit of a storm in a tea cup. Hopefully it was only Dank, the weapon & a handful of players some of whom may no longer even be at the club. Dont think the calibre of guys like Fletch, Jobe & Stants would knowingly inject themselves with anything they knew to be illegally performance enhancing, & if a few players have done something under the instruction of Dank or the weapon that they didnt know was illegal then I dont really think they are guilty of any crime.
If players were knowingly 'shooting up' illegal performance enhancers then it will be a whole different story - but I think when it all comes out in the wash that wont be the case.

Disagree with this. I have been tested in the past for my chosen sport and the defense "I didn't know it was illegal" is not a sufficient excuse. All athletes that come under testing are told from day 1 that if you put something into your body make sure you know what it is. Personally I do see it as doing the wrong thing even if they did just have blind faith in sports science department.

Shane Warne at the world cup is a good example of going for the defense you speak of.