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[Elite Crow]

The Ranga is a classic example of what I was referring to earlier. We wouldnt be saying "thank god Lynchy's back" had we not seen his value last year, which grew with every game, following his "left field" selection only after Tex went down.



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Lynch was Lyons until Tex got injured.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This is actually rubbish. Not sure whether you've actually ever coached or been on selection committees, but unless you have an established team that is winning and a chance of a flag, you definitely promote and develop kids. You are, afterall, building tour next premiership team. And you've picked these kids up because (one would hope) you think they are a part of your next premiership team.

This is where we stuff around with selection too much. We are always in the middle, we don't have a plan. Second half of the season last year is a classic example. Tambling and Callinan and you could argue Porps. Why did they get games? Why did we play Thommo while injured? Because there's no plan, no bigger picture perspective.

Here's an example. We lack pace. There's a kid in the twos called Rory Atkins who has pace. He was touted as a highish pick who slipped based on bad attitude. So the kid has ability. Why the hell don't we play him, he has what we need. Now I know you're going to scoff, but let me assure you that the reasons you'll scoff are the same reasons why our selection is rudderless... no big picture selection.

Let's face it, this team isn't going to win a flag this year. So you HAVE to give the kids some games, because otherwise they're never going to hit that critical 30 game mark. Keep some experience in but play them peripherally (eg Thommo up forward). Don't persist with spuds (eh Pets, Mackay) because they aren't in your next premiership team. They become your second stringers, selected only when the KIDS get injured or need a break.

Let the kids play together, let them gel and build something together. That's decent selection policy with a realistic, big picture perspective.

If you going to argue from a position bring some facts ....otherwise it's your opinion versus anothers opinion & who says you're right?

1. Don't criticize Vader for not having coached an side operating under a draft system unless you have ...have you?

2. We're in the middle because we were excluded from 2 drafts, got no compensation for Tippett, lost Walker (arguably our best player) ...lost Gunston who is a very good footballer, and Davis. No club plan can have a contingency for this situation ......it has put us back IMO 2 years

3. Atkins BTW IS NOT A QUICK PLAYER ...check your facts

Overall yours is a useless argument

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Lol.

Seriously should offer bomber good $'s as we lack match day smarts.

Bomber sleeps & eats on match days ....??

 

[feenix67]

Not a bad post except, have you ever met a coach that doesn't try to win every game every week? Short of bing a complete basket case and being told to lose there are very few coaches that wouldn't pick the best team each week.

See again the club contradicts itself here. Extends Sandos contract - effectively saying "build us a premiership team" - then makes perplexing, short term selection decisions.

There doesn't seem to be a sheed of method to any if the madness going on down there at the moment.

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[WaynesWorld19]

Lynch named 2nd best in the sanfl by the coaches.

Big chance to come in next week hopefully for petrenko.

There's another footy myth apart from 2nd year blues .......players coming back from injury very often play good first up games and stinker 2nd games

No rationale behind it ....just happens more often than not ....lets see shall we

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not a bad post except, have you ever met a coach that doesn't try to win every game every week? Short of bing a complete basket case and being told to lose there are very few coaches that wouldn't pick the best team each week.

Actually, the competition has examples of clubs who have cut down to the bone, moved on lots of players, taken a longer term view and even publicly stated their premiership plans (Hawks 5 years, 2 premierships, 50 000 members or whatever it was). Collingwood and Hawthorn are perfect examples.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Surely we had enough info to go on by that stage

i would have though so .......but you have to admit Tamblings last month of footy had the BF board re-thinking their opinions ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The players in the 22 haven't performed at another level to Lyons. That's the baffling part.

In the handful of minutes we've been dragged kicking and screaming into giving him he's looked as good as or better than most of our undroppable mid-range guys.

But the selectors see different aspects to Lyons game than most and obviously have a different opinions

FACT .....few players not getting games at AFC have left to be "stars" at other clubs .......open to names ?

 

[Wood_Duck]

Their opinion of the best team. Do you think Pets belongs in our best team this week?

He is really the only one that there can be any conjecture about. He is very lucky, but sometimes you just have to let the coach take a risk even though its unpopular. Look at Laurie Holden. He backed Geoff Hayward in against all odds. Nearly lost his job but was right in the end.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

i would have though so .......but you have to admit Tamblings last month of footy had the BF board re-thinking their opinions ?

Some people perhaps!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

But the selectors see different aspects to Lyons game than most and obviously have a different opinions

FACT .....few players not getting games at AFC have left to be "stars" at other clubs .......open to names ?

Keeping players in the SANFL for years, failing to develop them and letting them stagnate is not a badge of honour

 

[feenix67]

If you going to argue from a position bring some facts ....otherwise it's your opinion versus anothers opinion & who says you're right?

1. Don't criticize Vader for not having coached an side operating under a draft system unless you have ...have you?

2. We're in the middle because we were excluded from 2 drafts, got no compensation for Tippett, lost Walker (arguably our best player) ...lost Gunston who is a very good footballer, and Davis. No club plan can have a contingency for this situation ......it has put us back IMO 2 years

3. Atkins BTW IS NOT A QUICK PLAYER ...check your facts

Overall yours is a useless argument

Never coached under a draft system, but have presided over more than one rebuild. To suggest the draft hampers our ability to play youth is astonishing. Poor Rory... imagine being such a shit player based on being selected outside the first round.

As for the draft picks tears.... We have had this selection strategy fir the last 10 years.

I'm wondering if you've seen Rory play since he's been on your list. I have

What you promote is essentially a bunch of excuses to do the same we've always done, which has historically, in life as well as football - resulted in the same result over and over. You must be insane

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[The Karma Bus]

You really are an agitator ......how's M.Crouch for a player given a go early

How about the fact we were excluded from the last two drafts and forced to take "project" players

So who are you talking about specifically?

It's already been said, Crouch only got a game because we got more injuries and we were so shit..
This has been going on for years, not just recently..
Never an eye on the future, only on this coming game..

What happened to Shaw btw? I thought you told us how stupid we were to ever think he would be dropped because they love him so much and think he's so important..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If we hadn't made up our minds about Tambling and Callinan until the final weeks of last season then that is a very scary thought and is a huge sign that our list management/team selection groups have NFI what they are doing.

So if either/both were in the best when they played then we'd keep them and sack Martin and Thompson instead? Weren't both Tambling and Callinan kind of decent when they played anyway?

Certainly Tambling played very well ...Callinan meh!

But we were lacking in those types of players on the list so really had no-one to replace them with like for like ....hence why we chased Betts and Polec

Polec ...i was very mad at the time ....i am worse now ......he should have been an Adelaide Crow !!!

 

[maxlilly]

Let's start with giving a promising midfielder a few games when our midfield is getting smashed.

I am interested to see what Paul Roos does with Aiden Riley when he is fit to play. Will he get games in the AFL or will he be left in the VFL ?
I really liked his hardness because i reckon we lack a bit of it in the midfield.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Would love to see Atkins play this year, his SANFL form has been good hasn't it?

I like him

 

[feenix67]

Brad Crouch, after having a stellar SANFL season as a 17 year old, isn't rewarded with round 1 selection the following year.

Utter madness

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[WaynesWorld19]

It's a factor now but again, these are not 2014 issues we are talking about. It is a cautious, "imagine what we'd look like without them" attitude that has existed for years.

And having less talent come in the last couple of seasons due to draft sanctions makes it more important that we fast track the likes of Lyons, Atkins, Cameron... whoever. It's not an excuse to plod along with the same old faces.

We have always fast tracked talent ...ALWAYS !!
B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Brown, Laird .......why does everyone plonk this card when it's clearly wrong

If a player is not ready ....HE'S NOT READY! .....throwing them to the wolves to meet the curiosity of BF posters is not a reason to play them PLUS this board rips them apart if they're not stars from game 1

So let them develop their craft before we savage them

 

[feenix67]

Small mindedness WW.. if the team is not cutting it, ITS NOT CUTTING IT. So accept it and get games into the kids you picked up fir your next roll of the dice.

Your policy works well with an established balanced list. Ours is neither.

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We have always fast tracked talent ...ALWAYS !!
B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Brown, Laird .......why does everyone plonk this card when it's clearly wrong

If a player is not ready ....HE'S NOT READY! .....throwing them to the wolves to meet the curiosity of BF posters is not a reason to play them PLUS this board rips them apart if they're not stars from game 1

So let them develop their craft before we savage them

There is no ready.

"Ready" is a subjective point in time. Clarkson, Sanderson, Craig, Blight, Worsfold, Malthouse... they will all look at the same player and have a different opinion on when that player is ready for senior action.

Posters like you and Vader seem to think that "ready" is a universally accepted measure. A player ticks over into a new category. Wasn't ready yesterday but they are today.

 

[BACCS]

You don't reckon Collingwood, Hawks and Geelong for example have a history of playing kids more than us?

Please, do an analysis and prove this once and for all...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Keeping players in the SANFL for years, failing to develop them and letting them stagnate is not a badge of honour

Exaggeration !

Laird ......2nd year
Crouch(m) ...1st year
Crouch (b) ....1st year
Brown ......2nd year
Lynch .....2nd year

Lyons ......2nd year

Lyons played three AFL games in his second season at West Lakes, and could’ve played more if not for a foot injury and Adelaide’s settled senior line-up. The inside midfielder made his debut against Port Adelaide in Round Five, displaying clean hands and football smarts around the stoppages. He was squeezed out of the team in Round Eight, but continued to show strong form for SANFL club Glenelg and was rewarded with a new deal with the Crows.

Please tell me where we confine players to years in the SANFL .......unless we're talking LJ (who btw also played 2nd year)
So who are we referring to?

 

[BACCS]

The Ranga is a classic example of what I was referring to earlier. We wouldnt be saying "thank god Lynchy's back" had we not seen his value last year, which grew with every game, following his "left field" selection only after Tex went down.



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His selection wasn't left field, he was already a best 22 member before Tex went down. He didn't play much in 2012 because our forwardline was dominating.

 

[feenix67]

Why did we play Lynch in the twos today. Oh he lacked match fitness. Yet the guy has an elite tank as shown a thousand times before. He had a great game together, would have been very handy in the green vest on a fast track tomorrow.

How many more examples do you need? Even Blighty agrees with me on that one.

Ps go back and have a look at our 97 premiership team. I have it on my wall at home. We had no right to win that flag with that team. But hey, look at who DIDNT get picked that day (or the next year).

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[BACCS]

I did this a couple of years ago, comparing us to Hawthorn, Collingwood, Fremantle. We were absolutely MILES behind.

However, the naysayers came up with a whole string of Awwyeahbuts to explain away the figures.

Awwyeahbut we are gunning for finals, can't play the kids now

Awwyeahbut we drafted lots of talls and they take longer

Awwyeahbut our draftees were injured so we couldn't play them

Etc

Can you bump this post and put it up in here? Would love to read it. But then you'll have to add in the Crouch brothers and Laird...