Sam Weideman, Jake Wild & Darcy Moore Update

[TradeDraft]

Grundy more put clubs off than tampered with the draft to get to a specific club.

He interviewed clubs as much as they interviewed him. Many clubs didn't like his attitude. Collingwood recognised he's a hard worker, winner and a guy who fit our list needs.

That and clubs felt in 2012 with the success of rookie rucks and ruckmen off the bottom of opposition lists that it wasn't worth developing their own as they believed in the past they needed to.

What is wrong with Asking the Club Questions?

He never said he did not want to go to a Club he just wanted some Information from them.

Though according to Grundy we did not talk to him at Draft Camp as we thought he would not get too our 1st Pick

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Grundy more put clubs off than tampered with the draft to get to a specific club.

He interviewed clubs as much as they interviewed him. Many clubs didn't like his attitude. Collingwood recognised he's a hard worker, winner and a guy who fit our list needs.

That and clubs felt in 2012 with the success of rookie rucks and ruckmen off the bottom of opposition lists that it wasn't worth developing their own as they believed in the past they needed to.

Was his line to GWS "why should i come to you" or similar?

 

[Bard]

Was his line to GWS "why should i come to you" or similar?

That should be his line to every club.

 

[Knightmare]

Was his line to GWS "why should i come to you" or similar?

From what I'm led to believe. Yes.

It's an attitude clubs don't appreciate thinking that all players should want to play for their clubs. Clubs view it as a job interview where the player should be making a case as to why they should play for their team. Grundy from reports instead came in asking the questions, asking what they'll do for him and how they'll help him develop into the best player he can become and what their list plan is.

Personally I love Grundy's attitude as a recruit. It's refreshing and it to me demonstrates that he wants to get the most out of his football and he wants to be part of a winner.

Everyone who watched Grundy through the u18s should be aware about his continued, strong footballing development from year to year and all the work and attention to detail he put into his body with all the time he spend in the weights room.

He was a clear top 10 selection and it was an oversight by recruiters to pass on him.

 

[TradeDraft]

From what I'm led to believe. Yes.

It's an attitude clubs don't appreciate thinking that all players should want to play for their clubs. Clubs view it as a job interview where the player should be making a case as to why they should play for their team. Grundy from reports instead came in asking the questions, asking what they'll do for him and how they'll help him develop into the best player he can become and what their list plan is.

Personally I love Grundy's attitude as a recruit. It's refreshing and it to me demonstrates that he wants to get the most out of his football and he wants to be part of a winner.

Everyone who watched Grundy through the u18s should be aware about his continued, strong footballing development from year to year and all the work and attention to detail he put into his body with all the time he spend in the weights room.

He was a clear top 10 selection and it was an oversight by recruiters to pass on him.

Yeah, Some teams took what he was doing the Wrong Way. He just wanted the Best for Himself and for some reason teams and reucrters did not like it.

Here are 2 different years of Grundy at U-18 Level:

2011:



2012:

 

[TradeDraft]

Also see his Development at Collingwood over the last 2 seasons

 

[Tbone McGraw]

From what I'm led to believe. Yes.

It's an attitude clubs don't appreciate thinking that all players should want to play for their clubs. Clubs view it as a job interview where the player should be making a case as to why they should play for their team. Grundy from reports instead came in asking the questions, asking what they'll do for him and how they'll help him develop into the best player he can become and what their list plan is.

Personally I love Grundy's attitude as a recruit. It's refreshing and it to me demonstrates that he wants to get the most out of his football and he wants to be part of a winner.

Everyone who watched Grundy through the u18s should be aware about his continued, strong footballing development from year to year and all the work and attention to detail he put into his body with all the time he spend in the weights room.

He was a clear top 10 selection and it was an oversight by recruiters to pass on him.

He's a smart guy.

 

[Jelly Bean]

From what I'm led to believe. Yes.

It's an attitude clubs don't appreciate thinking that all players should want to play for their clubs. Clubs view it as a job interview where the player should be making a case as to why they should play for their team. Grundy from reports instead came in asking the questions, asking what they'll do for him and how they'll help him develop into the best player he can become and what their list plan is.

Personally I love Grundy's attitude as a recruit. It's refreshing and it to me demonstrates that he wants to get the most out of his football and he wants to be part of a winner.

Everyone who watched Grundy through the u18s should be aware about his continued, strong footballing development from year to year and all the work and attention to detail he put into his body with all the time he spend in the weights room.

He was a clear top 10 selection and it was an oversight by recruiters to pass on him.

I didn't like it when I heard it. It did reek of some slight arrogance. It would have been okay if he had have enquired about how their development program, or list strategy, etc, but the way he said it apparently was more of a challenge than a genuine line of questioning (e.g. "Why would I want to come to your club?"). Coupled with his comment to Neeld, it is not a good interview strategy.

The club doesn't need to make a case as to why he should go to them - he doesn't actually have a choice.

I am pleased that there isn't any further evidence of a bad attitude since he got to the Collingwood - in all interviews he has been pretty good.

 

[suspect footskills]

I didn't like it when I heard it. It did reek of some slight arrogance. It would have been okay if he had have enquired about how their development program, or list strategy, etc, but the way he said it apparently was more of a challenge than a genuine line of questioning (e.g. "Why would I want to come to your club?"). Coupled with his comment to Neeld, it is not a good interview strategy.

The club doesn't need to make a case as to why he should go to them - he doesn't actually have a choice.

I am pleased that there isn't any further evidence of a bad attitude since he got to the Collingwood - in all interviews he has been pretty good.

I have to say I wasn't all that impressed by his (alleged) behaviour during the interviewing process. I can understand it though as in general clubs' interviewing processes can leave people feeling upset.
My sister is a teacher at Princes Hill and was interviewed over the phone by several clubs as part of Brandon Ellis' recruitment. She described the phone calls from one club as being what she imagined a police interview would be like.
It was a conference call and she was basically bombarded with questions from several people at once and had the same questions rephrased and thrown at her again and again. She was giving answers that painted him in a good light as she genuinely thought he was a great kid and each time they would pick her answers apart and question her further.
She's a tough one my sister and she described the experience as challenging bordering on confrontational. Why they go about it that way I don't know.
I imagine Grundy may have encountered this aggressive questioning and decided he was going to give a little back.

 

[Apex36]

The GWS interview he asked 'why would I want to come to a club that has only been around for 2 years?'
The Melbourne interview, in response to Neeld saying his haircut made him look soft, said 'well I'll fit right in since you have the softest midfield in the comp!'
Smartarse comment, but understandable given that Neeld was being a **** head.

 

[76woodenspooners]

It's an attitude clubs don't appreciate thinking that all players should want to play for their clubs. Clubs view it as a job interview where the player should be making a case as to why they should play for their team.

QED.

Job interviews are a two way street. They're as much about determining if the company is a good fit for the interviewee, as they are about vice versa.

If a company is intimidated by the "why would I come and work for you?" question, then they wouldn't be a good company to work for (or footy club to play for) ... move on.

Grundy from reports instead came in asking the questions, asking what they'll do for him and how they'll help him develop into the best player he can become and what their list plan is.

Good for him

An enlightened club will recognise that the kid wants to be a winner, and that's a good thing.

 

[Knightmare]

I didn't like it when I heard it. It did reek of some slight arrogance. It would have been okay if he had have enquired about how their development program, or list strategy, etc, but the way he said it apparently was more of a challenge than a genuine line of questioning (e.g. "Why would I want to come to your club?"). Coupled with his comment to Neeld, it is not a good interview strategy.

The club doesn't need to make a case as to why he should go to them - he doesn't actually have a choice.

I am pleased that there isn't any further evidence of a bad attitude since he got to the Collingwood - in all interviews he has been pretty good.

And this would be the standpoint of clubs who overlooked Brodie and their likely takeaway.

It's not going to see him go number one overall but it still tells me something positive about his drive to improve and drive to win.

It's unorthodox and not commonly done but I appreciate the fact that he is doing his due diligence and seeking insight into how he can improve and what ideas they have for further improvement as well as some insight into what the various clubs are looking to achieve whether it be a slow rebuild or whether it's a win now strategy.

 

[Knightmare]

QED.

Job interviews are a two way street. They're as much about determining if the company is a good fit for the interviewee, as they are about vice versa.

If a company is intimidated by the "why would I come and work for you?" question, then they wouldn't be a good company to work for (or footy club to play for) ... move on.

Absolutely right and couldn't agree more.

I've got an interview this Thursday and I'll myself also be preparing questions for the employer (not at a football club for those that will ask).

I've done my due diligence and research about the organisation in advance and at interview will also be asking some questions to ensure in my mind that the organisation is the right fit and that I'll also get out of the position what I'm going in looking for.

I'd recommend that approach to all. Unless both you and the employer are happy then like any relationship it will with time almost certainly fail.

 

[jonbe54]

Absolutely right and couldn't agree more.

I've got an interview this Thursday and I'll myself also be preparing questions for the employer (not at a football club for those that will ask).

I've done my due diligence and research about the organisation in advance and at interview will also be asking some questions to ensure in my mind that the organisation is the right fit and that I'll also get out of the position what I'm going in looking for.

I'd recommend that approach to all. Unless both you and the employer are happy then like any relationship it will with time almost certainly fail.

In my years managing CBD car parks and as a driver manager of my own business I've come accross a large cross section of interveiwees and found that in general (cerainly not always, but more often than not) those that were 'active' in an interview, those that had done due dilligence and found out about the company and the general working conditions/environment and asked straight forward intelligent questions performed better in the workplace.

It indicates a focussed mind, one capable of seeing and planning ahead and a commitment to the process from the get go.

Given the choice between an 'engaged' and 'challenging' aspirant and a 'polite' and 'receptive' applicant I'd always elect the former.

 

[PieNSauce]

The GWS interview he asked 'why would I want to come to a club that has only been around for 2 years?'
The Melbourne interview, in response to Neeld saying his haircut made him look soft, said 'well I'll fit right in since you have the softest midfield in the comp!'
Smartarse comment, but understandable given that Neeld was being a **** head.

From my experience in interviews, it is the companies that don't want you to interview them are the ones that you don't want to work for anyway. Smart employers want you to be focussed on your future and making an effort to understand the company interviewing you is basically just due diligence. Neeld's comments, if true is evidence of a total lack of understanding of human nature or of what is important. If I were Grundy I'd have just told him outright to get f****d.

 

[Bard]

The GWS interview he asked 'why would I want to come to a club that has only been around for 2 years?'
The Melbourne interview, in response to Neeld saying his haircut made him look soft, said 'well I'll fit right in since you have the softest midfield in the comp!'
Smartarse comment, but understandable given that Neeld was being a **** head.

Lol what a badass, wouldn't get that from his demeanour. Makes me like him even more.

 

[TradeDraft]

Good for him

An enlightened club will recognise that the kid wants to be a winner, and that's a good thing.

Spot on Mate.

Guess the Lower Clubs though he was being a Smart Ass when he just wanted to know more about the Clubs

 

[rand corp]

Murray is a legend of the club, many credit our 58 flag to his leadership and captaincy on that day when we were un-backable long shots and when we stopped Melbourne from not only matching our four in a row but, from going on to win six in a row, (they had won the previous three and went on to win the next two). My dear departed Grandma who live for Collingwood used to tell me as a young kid the story of the 58 flag, her version was that The Weid told the players in the rooms at half time that no matter what he and 'Hooker' Harrison got up to they were to concentrate of playing football, when the game resumed, The Weid and Hooker when about roughing up a few of Melbourne's star players and the Dees lost their composure and concentrated on playing the man, by the time they worked out what was going on we had jumped them and the rest is history.

He was unfortunately a very ordinary coach.

Mark was a bit of a gentle giant and what really did him in was a distinct slowness over the ground and a turning circle wider than the Queen Mary.

 

[Jelly Bean]

And this would be the standpoint of clubs who overlooked Brodie and their likely takeaway.

It's not going to see him go number one overall but it still tells me something positive about his drive to improve and drive to win.

It's unorthodox and not commonly done but I appreciate the fact that he is doing his due diligence and seeking insight into how he can improve and what ideas they have for further improvement as well as some insight into what the various clubs are looking to achieve whether it be a slow rebuild or whether it's a win now strategy.

But there is no due diligence from his side. He has no choice. He can either be selected by whatever high or low club will take him, or he can sit out of football.

Let's not confuse his questioning with a purposeful outcome...

 

[Jelly Bean]

QED.

Job interviews are a two way street. They're as much about determining if the company is a good fit for the interviewee, as they are about vice versa.

If a company is intimidated by the "why would I come and work for you?" question, then they wouldn't be a good company to work for (or footy club to play for) ... move on.



Good for him

An enlightened club will recognise that the kid wants to be a winner, and that's a good thing.

Not in this case. In most job interviews, the candidate has a genuine choice as to whether they would join or not. In the draft situation, they don't. Brody asked these questions for a reason, but that reason wasn't to make up in his mind where to go and where not to go, initially.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Absolutely right and couldn't agree more.

I've got an interview this Thursday and I'll myself also be preparing questions for the employer (not at a football club for those that will ask).

I've done my due diligence and research about the organisation in advance and at interview will also be asking some questions to ensure in my mind that the organisation is the right fit and that I'll also get out of the position what I'm going in looking for.

I'd recommend that approach to all. Unless both you and the employer are happy then like any relationship it will with time almost certainly fail.

Completely different from a normal job interview though, as I have suggested in previous posts.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Not in this case. In most job interviews, the candidate has a genuine choice as to whether they would join or not. In the draft situation, they don't. Brody asked these questions for a reason, but that reason wasn't to make up in his mind where to go and where not to go, initially.

Your point is well taken.

But still, the draft prospect doesn't have to behave like a wonton slave. They can still take an interest in their future. And they may even choose to reject their draft selection. Granted that it's unlikely, but they're well entitled to do it. Of course it'd be the end of their AFL career - but you could imagine a kid facing the dilemma of (for example) going to play footy for Brisbane or studying Medicine at Melbourne Uni.

 

[SApies]

Is State Champs being televised this weekend?
Would love to get a look at Moore.

 

[Kirby]

But there is no due diligence from his side. He has no choice. He can either be selected by whatever high or low club will take him, or he can sit out of football.

Let's not confuse his questioning with a purposeful outcome...

But wouldn't a purposeful outcome result from not getting drafted to a particular team you didn't want to go to.

At the end of the day, both Melbourne and GWS had their chances to draft him and didn't. He just might be very happy about that!

It wasn't as if he wasn't going to get drafted at all.

 

[blaze036]

But wouldn't a purposeful outcome result from not getting drafted to a particular team you didn't want to go to.

At the end of the day, both Melbourne and GWS had their chances to draft him and didn't. He just might be very happy about that!

It wasn't as if he wasn't going to get drafted at all.

If I had the talent of Grundy I'd probably tank my interviews with Melbourne as well

"where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

"probably jail or rehab"