Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[Gough]

Is there any evidence these people were being persecuted in Sril Lanka?

Who knows? Given the haste with which the government has handed back these poor bastards back to the Sri Lankans, I'm pretty sure they don't know either.

 

[midorigreenwood]

Lets not forget Labor started the ball rolling with the enhanced screening of sri lankans in 2012. Bob carr even dismissed claims that they're being persecuted back home. He said there was only four complaints of mistreatment in the thousand that they sent back.

They'd sent back hundreds of tamils before Abbott even took government or Morrison was in the picture.

edit:

http://lee-rhiannon.greensmps.org.a...foreign-affairs-defence-and-trade-sri-lanka-1

Senator Bob Carr: The first one is a reference to general civil rights, human rights, concerns across the country. The second one was a reference I made to the treatment of returnees. I repeat, as I said a moment ago in answer to a question from your colleague, our high commission in Colombo follows up with the Sri Lankan authorities in the event of any claim of abuse of a returnee. One complaint was lodged with the high commission in 2010. It was followed up. The high commission could find no evidence to support that claim. Since 2010, there has been no evidence of returnees being discriminated against or arrested, let alone tortured. The earlier question and the earlier comments were references by Australian spokespeople to the broader human rights situation. I still have no evidence of a returnee being abused.

 

[Juddism]

One. The war been over for many years.
Secondly the organisers of the Australian arm of the people smuggler industry,( Rintoul, Fairfax Media, Refugee Advocates), et al. know who they are and will now hope that the Sri Lankan military do something despicable to these migrants so they can hang Abbott and Morrison.

Lol. I remember George Bush standing on an aircraft carrier 10 years ago with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished"..is it really over?

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...ermanent-protection-visas-20140703-3bbbz.html

and this is Morrison's latest gamble..

 

[medusala]

Seeing as we are handing the non existent refugees to the Sri Lankan Navy, I think it's safe to assume they are Tamils from there and not India which rather shines a new light on matters. I hope there has been due diligence exercised in ensuring that all are safe from harm back in Sri Lanka and not at risk like so many Tamils there are at the moment. Surely this a new nadir for the government and it's refugee policy.

New nadir? Didn't Rudd ban Sri Lankans from applying for asylum?

 

[Todman]

Pickering sums it up.


ABC, FAIRFAX DESPERATE TO BREAK MORRISON’S BOAT RECORD

Reports last week that 153 “refugees” had departed from India and were heading for Australia. It was also reported there was a water shortage and sick children were aboard who were vomiting.

Our information is that Navy patrol boat "Triton” intercepted the boat between Cocos Island and Christmas Island. It was confirmed that confiscated cell phones held Fairfax, The Guardian and ABC contact numbers.

The Guardian on-line is in league with the ABC and often carries out “dirty work” a public broadcaster cannot be seen to be involved in.

Another number that didn’t answer was thought to be that of Australian refugee activist, Ian Rintoul.

The ABC in particular is attempting to subvert Minister Morrison’s policy of limited “on water” information. They are coaching, and in regular contact with, potential refugees.

The ABC’s ALP contact, Alannah MacTeirnan, said that, “Christmas Island is madly preparing to accept a boatload of people from India”. Now where would she have got the “from India” bit?

A later report said, Australian Customs' Triton is now berthing at Christmas Island with a boatload of refugees, possibly rescued at sea”.

Our information is to the contrary and tells us that the “Triton” had quietly departed Christmas Island on Friday and had intercepted the boat on Monday. After discovering the prospective “refugees” were from Sri Lanka and not from India, as the ABC and Fairfax had reported, the Navy had informed Sri Lankan authorities.

Occupants were briefly processed on “Triton” and now await transfer to a Sri Lankan Navy vessel that will return them to a Sri Lankan port. There were more than 30 children aboard but none was sick and there was ample water.

A smaller boat’s occupants were also being processed on board the "Triton".

So what about this, “we’re from India” ruse? India is not at war with anyone and has no persecuted people desperate for resettlement.

Was it that India may have been considered too far for a tow-back or too risky for an orange lifeboat and that Christmas Island would be the only option?

But the economic immigrants and the ABC had underestimated the Australian Navy’s ability to recognise the boat and to distinguish a Sri Lankan from an Indian.

The Sri Lankan Government had informed Australia in August of last year that Tamils’ claims of persecution were incorrect. The communiqué noted that, “Tamils are not persecuted and have assimilated well since the war ended.”

Senator Bob Carr

"I repeat, as I said a moment ago in answer to a question from your colleague, our high commission in Colombo follows up with the Sri Lankan authorities in the event of any claim of abuse of a returnee. One complaint was lodged with the high commission in 2010. It was followed up. The high commission could find no evidence to support that claim. Since 2010, there has been no evidence of returnees being discriminated against or arrested, let alone tortured."

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It appears Fairfax and the ABC’s gopher, The Guardian on-line, are determined to break Morrison’s record of no boats.

If the rabid Left is not responsible for the “India” ruse and not in contact with the illegal immigrants why then, up until yesterday, was it reporting the boat had departed from India?

The ABC, Fairfax and The Guardian are prepared to pay a high price to dismantle Morrison’s successful “Sovereign Borders” policy, because, had they been successful, those Sri Lankans would have finished up in detention on Manus Island, while ABC employees would have been high fiving each other at the local.


Monday the 7th of July will be a day of big fanfare.

200 days without a boat!

 

[midorigreenwood]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-for-a-year-20140703-zsv9n.html#ixzz36PtLzpTs

According to fairfax, the policy of returning tamils from India to Sri Lanka was developed in June of 2013......so its another legacy action of the Labor government it seems.

Australian government officials launched a campaign in June last year warning would-be asylum seekers living in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu that they would be sent back to their Sri Lankan homeland if they tried to enter Australia without a valid visa.
''The Australian government began in Delhi and has worked down, slowly and diligently, through every level of Indian government and refugee organisations to get the message through that if you get on a boat without a visa, you will be sent back to Sri Lanka.''

Interestingly....

Mr Chandrahasan said one of his major concerns for Tamil refugees living in Tamil Nadu is that by leaving India through illegal means, they are giving up everything they have built up in India over the past 30 years.
''We have land here, we have homes, we have electricity, we have education, and every time someone gets on a boat to go to Australia without a visa, we are losing that, and that is what I am trying to prevent.''

The refugee advocate also says why its problematic to return them to India

Mr Anand said India was not able to accept any Tamil refugees who left India illegally.
''The war in Sri Lanka ended in 2009, so it is difficult to accept that these people can still claim refugee status,'' Mr Anand said. ''And if they were registered here as refugees, once they leave the country illegally, we cannot take them back here.''

More background info on the boat

Chandra Kumari, 32, told The Australian yesterday she was unaware that her tractor-driver husband Yasotharan was planning to seek asylum when he left their Tamil refugee camp in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, with his brother and another man on June 4.

He called her on June 19 to say he was en route to another country to seek asylum; she thought he was heading for New Zealand.

It was the last she heard from him. “My husband knew about the Australian policy (of turning back asylum-seekers) and would not have taken the risk of going to Australia,” she said.

Ms Kumari said she feared for her and her husband’s safety if he were sent back to Sri Lanka, a country both families fled as war refugees 24 years ago, because of a 300,000 rupee debt her husband owed Indian money lenders and the fact there was no longer any family to rely on in Sri Lanka.

“If he is sent to Sri Lanka the whole family will have to commit suicide because we cannot repay the debt,” she said. “I beg the Australian authorities to just let him stay a few years and earn some money to pay our loans.”

Her tearful sister-in-law Indrani Yesumani said she too believed her husband had been aiming for New Zealand in the hope of raising money to continue her two children’s education.

 

[Pie eyed]

The people we handed over to the Sri Lankan navy.

I never heard anything about this?

 

[romeoh]

Is there any evidence these people were being persecuted in Sril Lanka?

The assumption that the war ended so everything is fine is misguided. Tamils face structural exclusion from Sri Lankan society, through the imposition of a discriminatory language policy, job opportunities and education.Tamils have had their land stolen from them.Years after the supposed end of the civil war, allegations of torture in police custody persist. UN human rights commissioner Navi Pillay warned in 2013 that Sri Lanka was becoming increasingly authoritarian. Tamils face the risk of sexual violence, torture, murder, imprisonment, and enforced disappearance. Juan Méndez, UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, concurs.

 

[Todman]

The assumption that the war ended so everything is fine is misguided. Tamils face structural exclusion from Sri Lankan society, through the imposition of a discriminatory language policy, job opportunities and education.Tamils have had their land stolen from them.Years after the supposed end of the civil war, allegations of torture in police custody persist. UN human rights commissioner Navi Pillay warned in 2013 that Sri Lanka was becoming increasingly authoritarian. Tamils face the risk of sexual violence, torture, murder, imprisonment, and enforced disappearance. Juan Méndez, UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, concurs.

But Bob Carr said...................

 

[romeoh]

But Bob Carr said...................

Pretty sure Bob got that wrong.
In any case Toddy, if you are sourcing someone as absurd as Pickering then what is the point?

 

[Todman]

We already knew 71% of Tamil refugees in Canada go home to Sri Lanka for holidays, too, according to a survey done by Canadian immigration officials, and reported by QMI Agency.

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/2010/09/03/15244266.html

 

[Xsess]

Maggie has a lot to answer for. On the other hand she just might be extremely foolish.,

I have suspicions there's about 10 posters hereabouts who are actually the same person. They post the same nonsence. Of course they may actually be 10 individuals.... with 1/10th of a brain each.

 

[GuruJane]

Scrolling through the posts since yesterday I was thinking along the same lines
They all keep hitting the same monotonous note, dong, dong, dong, dong. Whose daily talking points are they working off?

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

I have suspicions there's about 10 posters hereabouts who are actually the same person. They post the same nonsence. Of course they may actually be 10 individuals.... with 1/10th of a brain each.

And do you think any of the anti-asylum seekers on this site might be the same person with different nics?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I have suspicions there's about 10 posters hereabouts who are actually the same person. They post the same nonsence. Of course they may actually be 10 individuals.... with 1/10th of a brain each.

So who are your other 9 aliases?

 

[pjcrows]

It's time to come clean...

I am indeed both pjcrows and GuruJane.

 

[Todman]

I have suspicions there's about 10 posters hereabouts who are actually the same person. They post the same nonsence. Of course they may actually be 10 individuals.... with 1/10th of a brain each.

If you think there are sockpuppets then oust them.

 

[Xsess]

And do you think any of the anti-asylum seekers on this site might be the same person with different nics?

Who's anti-asylum seeker. Maybe anti "open borders"... but they are two completely different things.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

If you think there are sockpuppets then oust them.

Good call. I'm happy to take the risk of looking like a dolt by saying that I suspect there are similarities in the way Power Raid and Guru Jane post. I also think mottrain is the dude who used to post in one paragraph of text with commas in between, and kept getting banned so finally learnt to not use commas. However, others have said it is an old poster whose come back after a long while.

Who's anti-asylum seeker. Maybe anti "open borders"... but they are two completely different things.

Fine. Now answer my question. And the one from Todman too.

 

[Xsess]

If you think there are sockpuppets then oust them.

Its just a suspicion. Think about it. The Greens generally take 5-10% of the vote, probably half of that is by hard core left wingers while the other half is a protest votes by anti establishment morons who would be horrified if they actually new what the Greens stand for. The views of these people is right at the fringe of society (where they belong). Then you stumble onto BF and its like a parallel universe where everything is in reverse. If you came here from Mars you'd think Australians actually want to become a third world country, through a policy of open borders. Hence the suspicion that maybe something else is at play here. Or put another way, people like Gough, Maggie, Mr Charisma, RoT, Ice Wolf etc etc etc etc etc etc ... they dont really exist in the real world, do they?

 

[Floor Pie]

Its just a suspicion. Think about it. The Greens generally take 5-10% of the vote, probably half of that is by hard core left wingers while the other half is a protest votes by anti establishment morons who would be horrified if they actually new what the Greens stand for. The views of these people is right at the fringe of society (where they belong). Then you stumble onto BF and its like a parallel universe where everything is in reverse. If you came here from Mars you'd think Australians actually want to become a third world country, through a policy of open borders. Hence the suspicion that maybe something else is at play here. Or put another way, people like Gough, Maggie, Mr Charisma, RoT, Ice Wolf etc etc etc etc etc etc ... they dont really exist in the real world, do they?

Haha, magic.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

aHahaha.

Its just a suspicion. ...Or put another way, people like Gough, Maggie, Mr Charisma, RoT, Ice Wolf etc etc etc etc etc etc ... they dont really exist in the real world, do they?

That's quite the suspicion you've got there. Of course, we could point out that there are a bunch of Labor voters, PUP voters and even Liberal voters who think Australia doesn't need to be so cruel to Asylum Seekers, but in all honesty "Gough, Maggie, Mr Charisma, RoT, Ice Wolf etc etc etc etc etc etc ..." already know that such arguments with you will just fall on deaf ears.

Which makes your posting the most similar to Todman's.

But then Todman said to you:

If you think there are sockpuppets then oust them.

And there is noooo way you're that clever!

 

[Gough]

I'm Cory Bernardi.

 

[GuruJane]

Who's anti-asylum seeker. Maybe anti "open borders"... but they are two completely different things.

You see - they can't even be original

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Or put another way, people like Gough, Maggie, Mr Charisma, RoT, Ice Wolf etc etc etc etc etc etc ... they dont really exist in the real world, do they?

You've got me. I'm all of them, Guru Jane and Power Raid and Medusula in fact any post not written by you came from me, except for Dymot's I just wouldn't be able to come up with the shit he types.