Play Nice Adam Goodes

[RUNVS]

I have nfi what you're talking about but please answer this question.

Do you think it's ok for players to make threatening or aggressive actions towards spectators?

I doubt any Carlton fans were even for a second scared for their safety.

 

[Donakebab]

As an American, maybe I am not qualified to post an opinion, although Lord knows we have had and continue to have issues regarding race, sexual orientation, nationality etc... What I have found is that these types of things become about something else entirely, with people bringing their pre-conceived agendas and obfuscating the issue at hand. This then so further complicates the underlying incident to the point that it is irrelevant. My take on it was that as a Carlton fan, the dance didn't bother me but it did bother me that he OBVIOUSLY did direct it towards the Carlton fans that were in that area. This coming from a player who went out of his way to insuniate the prior week that there MUST be an ulterior motive for opposing fans booing him because he has never done ANYTHING to warrant that. That to me comes across as disingenuous. If I was there, I wouldn't have liked it if he directed the hokey-pokey towards opposing fans, especially those that are rooting for a 1-8 team, that is looking like a lock for the wooden spoon. We had a situation in this country where a former President (Jimmy Carter) had to apologize because he actually said that anyone that criticized President Obama was a racist. Part of equality is accepting that when people don't like you, it might not be because of your race, sexual orientation or nationality but maybe just because they think you are a jerk and you shouldn't try to hide behind your race, sexual orientation or nationality because it doesn't grant you immunity from the same judgments that ALL people are subjected to.

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[Marc_Remillard]

are you serious... if you think being 30-40m away behind a fence watching someone do a dance is threatening, then god help you. you must live in fear, god knows how you drive on our roads given the number of fatalities and the risk

should we ban the haka (spelling?) then?

btw look at the photos 1-2 people looked shocked, 1 looked angry. the rest were either smiling or almost laughing

I love how you call it a dance. Call it for what it really is, a War Dance.

And yes, I've been the recipient of the Hakka and loved it. But it was a special occasion and I kind of knew it was coming but I could imagine if someone wasn't expecting it it would be very unnerving.

 

[Tyrone Time]

Why should anyone really care for the opinion though?

Well let's all move to a communist country or shut down BigFooty and just have you give us our daily indoctrination of what we are to feel and believe.

 

[momentbymoment]

It's not statistics I'm after, but your personal experiences.

Like what did you see there that made you think that the community was like a third-world country (ie. Food shortages, poor sanitation, etc...)?

Furthermore, were there any examples of racism or lack of human rights that were notable to you?

Really curious to get insight from others.

Seriously go and have a look. This stuff is on the public record.

I think the one that stands out the most for me is life expectancy- Aboriginal's have a life expectancy 10 years lower than non-Aboriginal's.

 

[King Elvis]

We're still a society in which the power structures which oppressed, continue to oppress.

You don't get to clap your hands and say 'all equal now' without addressing those.

I didn't say you did?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

I doubt any Carlton fans were even for a second scared for their safety.

Did I ask you a question?

 

[BlueandWhiteElf]

Herald Sun Half-Wits ‏@heraldsunreader 26m26 minutes ago
"If Goodes expects to live in Australia then he has to live by our values"

This is so true. An Australian would never dance after a goal. Why can't he just do that hand clap thing, or a traditional fist pump - even a high five? Why can't Aboriginal players just play like Australian players? All of the fast running and skillful play makes me uneasy - it's just plain unAustralian. If indigenous people don't start fitting in to our culture they can go back where they came from!

 

[Glenn_]

I doubt any Carlton fans were even for a second scared for their safety.

Those invisible spears when held are very threatening

 

[Southerntakeover]

And Adam Goodes can make all the political statements on the footy field he likes, just don't squawk when he is criticized for it.
Which is exactly what King said and I agree with.

Sure, but address the underlying question, why should anyone care for yours, or David King's view on a celebration of indigenous culture?

 

[Monkey King]

Why should anyone really care for the opinion though?

Then ignore the opinion I suggest, rather than exaggerating it into being something it isn't in order to create a strawman argument that you feel entitled to argue against.

 

[momentbymoment]

I judge Pauline Hanson too, what is the emotional force behind that?

That's actually an interesting question.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Love the sarcasm.

Thanks for your input

 

[RUNVS]

and the other Aboriginal players in the competition don't seem to have a problem with what Goodes did. Rioli tweeted his support for it as well.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Then ignore the opinion I suggest, rather than exaggerating it into being something it isn't in order to create a strawman argument that you feel entitled to argue against.

There's no strawman argument. It's your actual argument.

 

[AG]

Those saying he should have done it before the game, that would just be more awkward imo. Dances by himself with the Carlton team looking at him? Nah.

The haka works because the whole team does it with passion. I crack up laughing imaging someone like Brandon Jack doing the war dance.

Whole thing is a blow up as usual. Continue booing, continue dancing, complete non issue. Booing has occurred in sport for decades, as has the theatrics. That's part of the reason we all watch it.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

and the other Aboriginal players in the competition don't seem to have a problem with what Goodes did. Rioli tweeted his support for it as well.

I loved what he did, I think it's great.

But don't direct it at the opposition supporters.

That's all I'm saying

 

[Tyrone Time]

Sure, but address the underlying question, why should anyone care for yours, or David King's view on a celebration of indigenous culture?

Are you saying I can't have an opinion on something that happens in a public domain because of the color of my skin?
Wow!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Well let's all move to a communist country or shut down BigFooty and just have you give us our daily indoctrination of what we are to feel and believe.

That's right, not giving weight to your silly opinions is damn communism.

My grandpappy fought against those commies to ensure I'd have the right to believe gravity isn't real.

 

[momentbymoment]

I believe in educating and their are many great indigenous leaders who go about things positively. Goodes is self deprecating and has made the issue all about him rather than the underlying issues which absolutely exist.

He may not be perfect.
He just may not deserve the crap that is thrown his way.

I mean putting monkeys on his Wikipedia page. Why should he have to deal with that?

 

[RUNVS]

Did I ask you a question?

Yes you did and I answered it.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Are you saying I can't have an opinion on something that happens in a public domain because of the color of my skin?
Wow!

Are you suggesting that your subjective reaction to every issue is the most important thing?

 

[WCE_phil]

If he came up to me doing that war dance he'd end up in hospital. I don't give a **** what race you are, you act in an agressive, obnoxious manner like that and you deserve anything that comes your way.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Yes you did and I answered it.

No you didn't.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Are you saying I can't have an opinion on something that happens in a public domain because of the color of my skin?
Wow!

People of privilege complaining of the oppressed tends to hold very little weight.