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I read that as "Please Adelaide, please dont match cos we want Paddy for free. We want to win alot more flags than you and we can only do that if we get your best player for free"
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I don't know but if it spooks the AFL into giving us a priority pick before the draft, i'm not going to ask any questions.
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Oh yeah, Jon boy is trying to use scare tactics with his article but if the AFL improve the compensation to a few earkly picks, i don't care.
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Unless they are negotiating an improved compensation deal to get us a few priority picks.
Pick 1 and a pick after our own first round pick would be vetuy nice and that would stop any matching.
giving us pick 1, pick 11 and 12 would be nice compensation.
Ive said it a few times in other places.
1. Adelaide have to match. After all our lost draft picks, losing Tippo for nothing, losing Davis and Gunston for nowhere near correct compo, our just cannot lose our best player for pick 12 in one of the weakest drafts in years.
2. The threat of PSD is hollow. Danger will not want to go into the draft and end up anywhere. He is the type of guy who wont leave his future employer up to chance. If the Cats dont look like they can get it done he will soon be looking at his next best option, maybe Collingwood or the Hawks.
Not only that, but I think Geelong will finish ahead of us and so we will have a pick before them in the PSD.
3. We force it to trade and we get their first pick and a player like Motlop or Cockatoo.
1. Adelaide have to match. After all our lost draft picks, losing Tippo for nothing, losing Davis and Gunston for nowhere near correct compo, our just cannot lose our best player for pick 12 in one of the weakest drafts in years.
2. The threat of PSD is hollow. Danger will not want to go into the draft and end up anywhere. He is the type of guy who wont leave his future employer up to chance. If the Cats dont look like they can get it done he will soon be looking at his next best option, maybe Collingwood or the Hawks.
Not only that, but I think Geelong will finish ahead of us and so we will have a pick before them in the PSD.
3. We force it to trade and we get their first pick and a player like Motlop or Cockatoo.
The rules dont allow a pick before your first one. The best pick we can get is pick 2 if we finish last, or if multiple picks can be got then they would be two picks after our first.
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The rules can and have been changed before. See the Father on Rule. That's why the club should be talking to the AFL every week about matching any deal and asking them to consider a comprensation change to avoid us matching any deal.
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If we lose 2 free agents, are their value added together to determine compensation? Or does each player receive a pick in a single transaction?
If they're added together we should probably be shopping Otten/Martin to someone and paying their wage. We'd end up with 3 first round draft picks to play with.
If they're added together we should probably be shopping Otten/Martin to someone and paying their wage. We'd end up with 3 first round draft picks to play with.
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They are valued as individual transactions. Can not add them together.
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Considering Hawthorn were only given a pick after their 1st pick (pick 19) for Franklin, we aren't getting extra picks even if we go to them with threats or teary eyes.
I'm sure I remember them stating at the time when people were complaining that Geelong were given 2 picks for Ablett so what about Buddy, that 2 picks won't be given for any FA moves. Ablett was not FA, it was due to Gold Coast's entrance.
Once again, prepare to be screwed. Right at the point in time we can't afford to be. No Danger or Thommo (soon), our midfield is going to be messed up.
And some want compensation for FA to be scrapped, imagine losing high quality players for nothing at all. At least you have some chance to go again and hope for a new decent player.
I'm sure I remember them stating at the time when people were complaining that Geelong were given 2 picks for Ablett so what about Buddy, that 2 picks won't be given for any FA moves. Ablett was not FA, it was due to Gold Coast's entrance.
Once again, prepare to be screwed. Right at the point in time we can't afford to be. No Danger or Thommo (soon), our midfield is going to be messed up.
And some want compensation for FA to be scrapped, imagine losing high quality players for nothing at all. At least you have some chance to go again and hope for a new decent player.
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I think he is trying to suggest that if Paddy makes the decision to leave, the club must respect that and let him go without argument. They apparently won't like it if we decide to match and force Patrick to potentially land at a club he doesn't want to go to. Pretty stupid angle if you ask me, has Ralph got any evidence from the AFC playing group that this is likely?? It would be smarter (oxymoron) to come at it from the POV that the AFLPA wont like it if a club decides to match an offer and derail a players plans.
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The aflpa gave up a bigger slice of the pie they were chasing. They wanted a similar % revenue deal to the cricketers.
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People like to throw out the Franklin compensation as a comparison, but the two situations are entirely different. Buddy had been a major factor in Hawthorn winning two flags. Right now Adelaide are a team supposedly on the rise with a projection of a flag push in 2-3 years. Dangerfield is slated as a major part of those plans and for him to leave now would be devastating. I think the AFL could well decide to offer AFC an extra compo pick in the first round as a sweetener, but on the proviso that we don't match Geelong's offer and stand in the way of Danger's move.
I would assume the playing group would be more worried about their possible future onfield chances rather than the ease at which the tratior could get to where he wants. Dont remember any tears from Adelaide players after Tippett ended up in the PSD.
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That's what the trade table is for. Its the AFLPA trying to protect its members
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Whoahh there! Don't you go getting all logical on us.
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Jon Ralph apparently heard a rumour that "some players" were told they could play with Dangerfield in 2016 and has somehow managed to write an entire rubbish article based on that.
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Don't see how Geelong could go round stating that without it warranting some level of investigation from the AFL. Are they saying they've already got an agreement with Dangerfield, despite him being a contracted player? They wouldn't be that stupid.
What I can imagine actually happened is that Geelong was telling recruits that they've got no intention of bottoming out. They're targeting players like Dangerfield, Henderson, and Selwood and intend to continue to push for premierships.
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Hathorne could have matched; if they wanted to. No One stopped them. They chose not to and the godfather deal toward not matching was just an easy excuse.
As soon as the AFL remove comprensation, watch teams match every RFA deal or trade flight risk players a year before their deal expires.
I think we will see some massive changed to the trading system with the new AFL CBA
Why introduce a period of restricted free agency in the first place if there is no intent to allow clubs to match offers.
I would be very surprised if the players association or the afl kicked up a fuss if we matched the offer considering it was an arrangement agreed to by all parties to enable free agency.
You can't argree to something and then reneg on the terms of agreement, it invalidates the entire concept.
I would be very surprised if the players association or the afl kicked up a fuss if we matched the offer considering it was an arrangement agreed to by all parties to enable free agency.
You can't argree to something and then reneg on the terms of agreement, it invalidates the entire concept.
The second the AFl decided that there wouldn't be an "elite player" bracket for compensation, was the second the compensation system was doomed for failure. The fact that you'll receive reasonable compensation for a solid to good "best 22" player, but get absolutely reamed if you lose an elite player is a complete and utter joke.
I understand that it is compensation and not meant to be equivalent value, but it at least has to be consistent and provide a fair outcome. At the moment we're seeing average players fetching equal to or greater than their value in compo, and elite players fetching no where near their value.
It's quite easy to create a fair and consistent formula, just make compo picks either mid or end of round, with an elite bracket where you get a mid and an end of first round pick. Suddenly you'll find clubs and supporters are a whole lot more comfortable with the system, as would the players as they can leave a club knowing that it's not getting completely screwed over.
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Yeah, I dunno what I was arguing here, way too drunk last night and way to hung over this morning to want to understand. I think a good idea when you are with your mate at a country footy match and you both agree that you are pretty pissed and you should get picked up and go home but you'll just have one more beer...don't let that one more become six jugs.
As for my "for the slow amongst us" line, if that was directed at you then I apologise, not really a barb I should throw out when I may be riding front and centre in that posse.
I agree, it's a joke, we're actually copping flack for considering following the rules of the game.
It's quite typical though, any time a club from a VFL "feeder state" looks to exploit a rule to advantage, it's an outrage.
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