Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Forward Press]

Shifting the goal posts? How so? I hadn't seen the "dance" before. Didn't look like a dance. Looked like he lost the plot screaming at some Carlton fans to me. You guys go out of your way to get offended on Goodes' behalf and accuse people of racism, but you can't see that running screaming at opposition fans may possibly be misconstrued? Logical consistency is sadly lacking.

Shifting the goalposts again.

Who in this thread doesn't believe that antagonising opposition supporters would result in a negative reaction? Of course it does, you even said it's common sense and I doubt anyone in this thread disagrees with that statement.

I don't even know what you're rallying about any more with this rhetoric.

You said there was no evidence of the Indigenous All Stars doing a war dance. MWNN found a video for you. Great. Move on.

 

[Xtreme]

If he did retire, imagine looking back on this incident in 20 years and trying to explain to our children/grand children how he was forced out of the game.

Absolutely disgraceful possibility. Wake up to yourself Australia.

Because he couldn't handle a stadium full of people uttering the word boo

Being cheered and being booed are all part of playing sport, can't handle the pressure..... time to become a tax accountant or something.

 

[Cannon82]

He wasn't generalising. He didn't say everyone who did it is racist. He said it's perceived as such. Which it is.

By idiots.

 

[Theprofessional]

At a break, when going off for a breather, when he walks passed the bench, at any time other than pointing a finger at someone on national telly? Cameras everywhere, they'd have the footage. You seriously think he had no other choice?

2 minutes left in the game mate- 2 minutes time she leaves if she wasn't already about to. You would not of been able to tell by video unless Goodes points them out.

The only other realistic choice was to do nothing and let her get away with it.

 

[subaru]

Very poor post.

Oh really ?
Why?

 

[bungwahl]

Ok, so lets say it stops this weekend, what then? Does Goodes stop complaining? Does it actually fix anything?

It's progress.

 

[bph25]

Please elaborate ...

And do you think Australian's should be aware that we have pursued a policy of racism for the majority of our time in this land?

Surely truth is a good thing.

From an AFL point of view
Indigenous round where we celebrate the indigenous players in our game.
The zero tolerance we have to racist remarks in the crowds
The respect each club shows their indigenous players and the general love they have for them
As a nation we said sorry for what a bunch of people did years ago when they were ill informed and lived in a different world.
The benefits that are given to indigenous people around the country, the money spent on medical help, housing, food, water, education is above and beyond what anyone else gets.
There comes a point in time when you have to stop blaming and start accepting and also taking responsibility for your own actions.
The terrible acts which happened decades ago to people no longer on this earth can't be a continued excuse for actions of people today. If it was well we may as well go over and start throwing rocks at the Germans.
No more can be done to say sorry and provide a new way of life and opportunity for indigenous people.
Maybe Adam goodes should start praising the people for how far they have come rather then condemning us for the changes that have been made

 

[LeverPuller]

There was a great point made when this all came up earlier. Heard it on the radio.

'I don't boo Goodes because I'm racist. I boo him because of how I feel he plays. But, now being aware that some do boo him as a racist act, I will not. I will not allow my voice to be used to protect racism even if I have my opinion. '

 

[ManWithNoName]

By idiots.

So Indigenous Australians who feel offended by it are idiots are they?

I like when white people decide what is and isn't racist.

 

[BloodRet]

Shifting the goalposts again.

Who in this thread doesn't believe that antagonising opposition supporters would result in a negative reaction? Of course it does, you even said it's common sense and I doubt anyone in this thread disagrees with that statement.

I don't even know what you're rallying about any more with this rhetoric.

You said there was no evidence of the Indigenous All Stars doing a war dance. MWNN found a video for you. Great. Move on.

Can't be bothered finding the post you quoted, but is he for real?

 

[subaru]

2 minutes left in the game mate- 2 minutes time she leaves if she wasn't already about to. You would not of been able to tell by video unless Goodes points them out.

The only other realistic choice was to do nothing and let her get away with it.

That's silly

He had time to point her out to the rest of the world !!!!!

 

[The_Wookie]

To me this is victim blaming. Nobody took issue with Rance pointing out abuse the other week.

Its about perception? To some, Goodes lost his temper and bullied a 13 year old.

 

[Cannon82]

Shifting the goalposts again.

Who in this thread doesn't believe that antagonising opposition supporters would result in a negative reaction? Of course it does, you even said it's common sense and I doubt anyone in this thread disagrees with that statement.

I don't even know what you're rallying about any more with this rhetoric.

You said there was no evidence of the Indigenous All Stars doing a war dance. MWNN found a video for you. Great. Move on.

Your reading skills need work. Go back to the post you're talking about - I never said anything about the Indigenous All Stars. I wonder how many of you get offended because your literacy is subpar...

 

[momentbymoment]

Through all of the years and stars - Freeman,Goodes etc etc etc, i have never once been clear on exactly what they are after precisely.

When 50,000 years of culture is destroyed in less than 200 years, there is no clear game book to work from.

Right now, the aboriginal community is pursuing a principal of Respect.

In Adam's case, it simply means understanding the context behind his reaction to Eddie McGuire, the girl in the crowd and the celebratory dance.

And perhaps the Respect to NOT boo one of the greatest aboriginal players ever. Is that too much to ask?

 

[bungwahl]

Generalisations are bad. Period.

Whether you, the media, the AFL, the Swans, Andrew Pridham, Rebecca Wilson or anyone on this board thinks - football supporters arent a hive mind. Everyone has their reasons, and they arent all the same.Are there racists out there? Sure. Do some people out there like his behaviour? No. Does it make them racists? Well apparently it is.

Absolutely agree with you, and no I don't think everyone who has been booing Goodes is racist. Probably a very small minority.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Its about perception? To some, Goodes lost his temper and bullied a 13 year old.

To those people Goodes can apparently identify the age of someone from a voice yelled out from a distance whilst he's in the middle of an AFL game. If Goodes is that smart he shouldn't be playing football.

He pointed in the direction he heard a racist slur come from. That ain't "bullying a 13 year old".

 

[sherb]

Because he couldn't handle a stadium full of people uttering the word boo

Being cheered and being booed are all part of playing sport, can't handle the pressure..... time to become a tax accountant or something.

It's almost like he is a human being with feelings, not some emotionless automaton.

Everyone has different emotional tolerance levels - even professional athletes.

 

[Proper Gander]

Through all of the years and stars - Freeman,Goodes etc etc etc, i have never once been clear on exactly what they are after precisely.

The issue of invasion, displacement, murder, rape and kidnap of Aboriginal people cannot be fixed - as you say, no time machines.

However, the position of Aborigines in today's society is still a vast issue, think of health, economic standing, numbers in prison, addiction and substance abuse, educational advantage and (surprise) daily experience of racism.

I think what 'they' are after, in the first instance, is for people to really consider these things, talk about them, learn more, challenge existing assumptions. Make a genuine start to a conversation that could improve the living conditions and social standing of all aborigines, and improve Australia in tolerance and understanding for every person. And just maybe get to a point where the treatment of the first Australians isn't regarded as an international disgrace.

 

[Cannon82]

2 minutes left in the game mate- 2 minutes time she leaves if she wasn't already about to. You would not of been able to tell by video unless Goodes points them out.

The only other realistic choice was to do nothing and let her get away with it.

Nah, they've identified people in the crowd at matches after the event. Not foolproof I'll grant you, but I don't think appointing yourself chief security guard is the best method either. Fair enough you don't agree, but you can at least see there may have been other ways to go about this, yes?

 

[Theprofessional]

Oh really ?
Why?

Where to start?

They're lucky it will be a Crows crowd

The click click click if knitting needles is all you'll hear over there

Dee Madigan - who I imagine even Chief would agree with said What Swans fans should do drown out any boos with cheers - time for all you " bloods" fans to actually get off your collective stress and fill a stadium

And just on our crowd, what has happened at my club the last 3 weeks makes Adam Goodes sooking up about booing even more childish

You're trash talking Adelaide crowd- trash talking Sydney supporters- than you decide to bring in the death of a coach for no reason at all- Goodes has compared his plight to your clubs- you did for seemingly no reason. What's the point of bringing in other tragedies? He hasn't been sooking he's played Football while others have discussed/complained about it- and now he is taking a few days of.

It's taking a toll on him but he's handled it quietly.

It's a poor post because it just attacked fan bases' and taking cheap shots using tragic events. It just created a larger divide.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Your reading skills need work. Go back to the post you're talking about - I never said anything about the Indigenous All Stars. I wonder how many of you get offended because your literacy is subpar...

As do yours. You asked if I was calling you a racist when I never said anything of the like.

 

[Off The Couch]

Or are they just prolonging an issue that is never going to go away in the first place?

What is the required outcome? EVERY single non aboriginal in the country saying sorry? Increased handouts? What is it?

Raise awareness? That has been achieved, how can we not be aware of what happened 200 years ago. But when does it end? I don't have a time machine handy to go and fix things up, nor does anyone else.

So instead we are stuck in and endless circular argument where every generation has another "icon" who wants to stand up and remind everyone of something that happened to his/her distant relatives hundreds of years ago.

Through all of the years and stars - Freeman,Goodes etc etc etc, i have never once been clear on exactly what they are after precisely.

The fact that you think this issue is based on something that happened 200 years ago tells me why aboriginal studies should be compulsory from k-12 in all schools, warts and all

 

[Forward Press]

Its about perception? To some, Goodes lost his temper and bullied a 13 year old.

To others, Goodes heard some racial abuse and pointed out a young girl, who he didn't know was 13 at the time.

When I first saw the image I thought she was a lot older than that. Considering that cameras are trained on many players at all times, there was no way he could have done it discreetly.

 

[bungwahl]

I disagree

We have had numerous programmes and initiatives undertaken in SA by indigenous players - CEY just had a two page spread in the paper and so did Wanganeen recently.

Goodes is not just " outspoken" he's divisive - and that's why he gets booed and Andrew McLeod never did.

You can disagree all you want, but Goodes is easily the highest profile and most outspoken current player on indigenous issues.

 

[Xtreme]

It's almost like he is a human being with feelings, not some emotionless automaton.

Everyone has different emotional tolerance levels - even professional athletes.

Well nobody says he has to play if he's mentally unfit to kick a ball made out of leather he better move to a different profession (not politics as if he can't handle a sport environment he has no chance as a polititian).