Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[bungwahl]

Because he couldn't handle a stadium full of people uttering the word boo

Being cheered and being booed are all part of playing sport, can't handle the pressure..... time to become a tax accountant or something.

Sorry but that's a ridiculously simplistic view on a far more serious issue.

The Titus O'Reilly tweets have summed this issue up perfectly:

 

[The_Wookie]

In an AFL crowd? I doubt it. You're acting like she was the only voice.

She was the only voice he heard for this - to the point he could identify the speaker. If he couldnt pick out the single voice theres no way he could pinpoint a single person - he'd be waving his arms in the general direction of the stand "it came from over there somewhere".

 

[ManWithNoName]

Dunno champ, do you think him pointing her out had anything to do with the security guards evicting her? Maybe he was pointing out she had tomato sauce on her collar?

No. You're saying Goodes evicted her. That's wrong. Security evicted her. Goodes reacted when he heard racial abuse.

 

[BloodRet]

Why?
...... . ..
I agree some are booing AG for different reasons

Exactly, so it's a stupid comparison. If you boo him for being a dirty player, then that's fine (so long as you boo Ballanyne as well and be consistent). But a lot, and I mean a lot, of those boos are racially fuelled.

 

[momentbymoment]

From an AFL point of view
Indigenous round where we celebrate the indigenous players in our game.
The zero tolerance we have to racist remarks in the crowds
The respect each club shows their indigenous players and the general love they have for them
As a nation we said sorry for what a bunch of people did years ago when they were ill informed and lived in a different world.
The benefits that are given to indigenous people around the country, the money spent on medical help, housing, food, water, education is above and beyond what anyone else gets.
There comes a point in time when you have to stop blaming and start accepting and also taking responsibility for your own actions.
The terrible acts which happened decades ago to people no longer on this earth can't be a continued excuse for actions of people today. If it was well we may as well go over and start throwing rocks at the Germans.
No more can be done to say sorry and provide a new way of life and opportunity for indigenous people.
Maybe Adam goodes should start praising the people for how far they have come rather then condemning us for the changes that have been made

He was called a Gorilla on radio by the biggest power broker in the game. He is constantly the subject of racist taunts. His Wikipedia page is vandalized by monkeys. He is booed in every game he plays and slandered in the media and online.

And your suggestion is he should start praising people for how far they have come?

 

[Theprofessional]

To others, Goodes heard some racial abuse and pointed out a young girl, who he didn't know was 13 at the time.

When I first saw the image I thought she was a lot older than that. Considering that cameras are trained on many players at all times, there was no way he could have done it discreetly.

People that know nothing about Adam Goodes agree with you- no way he could tell the age.

 

[Cannon82]

So? Goodes heard it, pointed her straight out. The anti social hotlines at the grounds can get people evicted. Why do players not have that ability?

Because of the very public way in which they do it. People get evicted from sporting events all the time for being drunk, abusive or whatever. Number of times I've seen a player evict a fan: one. Again, there are better ways to do things.

 

[Monkey King]

Chris Judd was a Brownlow thief (2010) to the point where "3 votes C Judd" became a common joke. Didn't get booed.

You're kidding right? Got booed regularly, especially after the chicken-wing incident.

 

[ManWithNoName]

You're kidding right? Got booed regularly, especially after the chicken-wing incident.

At every game? Nope. To the extent Goodes is? Nope.

 

[mick500]

Exactly, so it's a stupid comparison. If you boo him for being a dirty player, then that's fine (so long as you boo Ballanyne as well and be consistent). But a lot, and I mean a lot, of those boos are racially fuelled.

How do you know that?

 

[95blues]

When 50,000 years of culture is destroyed in less than 200 years, there is no clear game book to work from.

Right now, the aboriginal community is pursuing a principal of Respect.

In Adam's case, it simply means understanding the context behind his reaction to Eddie McGuire, the girl in the crowd and the celebratory dance.

And perhaps the Respect to NOT boo one of the greatest aboriginal players ever. Is that too much to ask?

No it's not at all.

But respect is intangible, and if the goal is to get 100% respect/understanding from 100% of people, it will never happen.

I just want to know what will satisfy or placate the aboriginal people as a whole, enough so that we can move on.

 

[Theprofessional]

Well nobody says he has to play if he's mentally unfit to kick a ball made out of leather he better move to a different profession (not politics as if he can't handle a sport environment he has no chance as a polititian).

He would've copped sledging his whole career- he would've been booed before. But not like this- not this strongly- not this targeted and not this conveniently timed following him proudly standing up for his people/himself.

If something has gone to far- than you shouldn't be expected to cope with it. This has gone too far.

 

[Cannon82]

The public humiliation came from channel 7 and the newspapers choosing to prominently feature her, despite having far more time to appreciate her age and without the influence of emotion.

Some truth to that, and I'm happy to ignore the media and take everything that comes from that direction with a large dollop of salt, including all the bleating about booing being racist. The public humiliation started with her getting evicted from the ground on national telly, courtesy of Goodes. The media loves a good circus so jumped on board and ran with it.

 

[kneecapper]

I went to the 2014 GF and yes I booed him everytime he touched the ball and I don't normally boo any AFL players . I feel privileged to live in an age where we are witness to the skills and the athletisism of AFL players of today so I normally sit quietly and take it all in ,didn't even boo Buddy even though he left the hawks ,but I am one non -indigenous Australian who is proud of my country and i'm sick of the likes of Adam Goodes telling me I don't have a right to be and should be ashamed of my past as he did in his AOTY speech . My dad fought the Japanese in New Guinea in WW2 his dad in France in WW1 why should I be ashamed of where I came from .If the AFL want the booing to stop then get him to apologise for humiliating a naïve 13yr old girl on national TV and in front of 40000 people and for his insulting AOTY speech and his off field comments in general . Non indigenous Australians have a right to make a stand too because the majority of us have done nothing wrong and at the end of the day we pay the bills .

Thanks for being honest and offering us a genuine reason instead of hiding behind bullshit excuses about his on-field behaviour.

Don't get me wrong, I think you're an awful, awful person but at least you've admitted that you hate him for standing up against racism which definitely exists in this country.

 

[Ardent Roo]

You're kidding right? Got booed regularly, especially after the chicken-wing incident.

And like Carey, Buckley, LLoyd he was big enough not to whinge about it.

People boo players all the time - some of the small forwards esp - eg Thomas, Ballantyne, Stevie J.

Goodes needs to get over himself, and the AFL are only making it worse.

 

[bungwahl]

Fair enough then. Lets nanny state this shit up!

That's an amazing response.

Removing racism = nanny state?

Holy crap man.

 

[sherb]

He was called a Gorilla on radio by the biggest power broker in the game. He is constantly the subject of racist taunts. His Wikipedia page is vandalized by monkeys. He is booed in every game he plays and slandered in the media and online.

And your suggestion is he should start praising people for how far they have come?

Yeah, McGuire really showed everyone how far we have come.......

 

[95blues]

It's progress.

Walking towards a Rainbow is progress too...

 

[Xtreme]

Sorry but that's a ridiculously simplistic view on a far more serious issue.

The Titus O'Reilly tweets have summed this issue up perfectly:

Well I'm not going to stop just because a bunch of PC do-gooders say it's not right. My reasons for booing Goodes and other players are perfectly valid. You can't tell people who and who not to cheer for or boo.

 

[subaru]

Where to start?



You're trash talking Adelaide crowd- trash talking Sydney supporters- than you decide to bring in the death of a coach for no reason at all- Goodes has compared his plight to your clubs- you did for seemingly no reason. What's the point of bringing in other tragedies? He hasn't been sooking he's played Football while others have discussed/complained about it- and now he is taking a few days of.

It's taking a toll on him but he's handled it quietly.

It's a poor post because it just attacked fan bases' and taking cheap shots using tragic events. It just created a larger divide.

Rubbish

Our crowds are probably the least vocal bar Melbourne supporters and their golf clap- it is not like Swans are fronting Hawks fans this week - no disrespect intended

If you see me urging Your fans to cheer louder than anyone booing as trash talking crowds - yours and mine - then you need to re read what I posted


My point if bringing in other tragedies is to give you some perspective over what is going on here

He is getting booed
Move on

 

[The_Wookie]

Yeah, McGuire really showed everyone how far we have come.......

McGuire showed how far he had come. He and he alone made the comments. No one else.

 

[kneecapper]

No one answered my last serious question, i guess they cant. So i will try a different one..

In the future are we supposed to just not boo any aboriginal players? How are we to know how our booing is going to be interpreted? Doesnt that lead to more division and walking around on egg shells? Wouldnt the fact that i feel comfortable enough to boo adam goodes the way i would boo anyone else mean we are in a better place now than if i were to stop booing him just because he is aboriginal even tho my boos had nothing to do with race in the first place?

If people booed Adam Goodes the way they do any other player then this wouldn't be an issue. No player in the AFL gets booed for every possession over 16+ rounds from first bounce to final siren. That's the point.

You may treat him no differently - good for you - but that's not how crowds are reacting.

 

[Forward Press]

Ive got two teenage kids, a boy and a girl. Id never mistake my daughters voice for an older woman, especially when shes yelling.

Sorry, I meant the other way around - that a lot of 15-18 year old who you might consider young adults (and old enough to understand the implications of racist comments towards players) still sound like kids at times.

The way I see it, Goodes heard something, saw this kid that at the time looked older than she really was, and singled her out. Perhaps handled a bit poorly, but that clouds the real issue - which is a player being racially abused at a game.

 

[BloodRet]

How do you know that?

Come on mate, surely you cannot be that delusional? Goodes has been called dirty for about six years now since it crept into his game. The boos were barely audible. Compare that to this year. Heck, even compare last years booing to this year. Watch a game from last year and then watch last weeks game and it has grown by about 80%. Those people are racists and there is no two ways about it.

 

[95blues]

The fact that you think this issue is based on something that happened 200 years ago tells me why aboriginal studies should be compulsory from k-12 in all schools, warts and all

That's the point... the "issue" is this ever morphing/moving goalpost towards.... what?