Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Procrastinator35]

I'm concerned that such a vitriolic reaction has occurred when all he did was a dance and a shake of a spear.

This is no longer about Goodes per-se....It's about the AFL'S indulgence of him & politics in our football arena....And now, in order to fix their own mess, they want to deny the fans their freedom of speech....Palpably absurd.

 

[Nikita Blue]

To be fair Echols I don't think they will have to worry about being vilifiied for their skin colour

Thank you Andrew Bolt

 

[Dacksaredown]

What is this SJW you keep referencing?

I've been wondering myself but I don't want to know since it's always prefaced by other stuff like left wing, sheep or something or other.

 

[evo]

The Five Rules Of Propaganda

1. Rule of Simplification - reducing all data to a single confrontation between ‘Good and Bad’, ‘Friend and Foe’.
2. Rule of Disfiguration - discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.
3. Rule of Transfusion - manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one’s own ends.
4. Rule of Unanimity - presenting one’s viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people: drawing the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star performers, by social pressure, and by ‘psychological contagion’.
5. Rule of Orchestration - endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.”

- Norman Davies ‘Europe – A History’.

That's great. I've never seen that before.

Thanks for posting it.

 

[NewMelbournian]

I'm sick of dumb people misunderstanding the "face of racism" thing. He was not saying she was the worst racist of all the time. He was making a point about how the vast majority of modern racism is subtle, so subtle a lot of people can choose to pretend it's not there and attack anyone who dares mention it. It is more likely to be subconscious than conscious.

It's not skin heads with swastika tattoos, it's not genocide and segregation. It's things like vitriolic anger at a black man for not staying in his box. And then spending 10,000 posts trying to insist it is about anything else.

He was saying people needed to look out for, identify, and correct subtle racism. He was 100% right. It was a brave and visionary thing to say. It made him a leader, not a bully.

 

[pockets75]

I'm sick of dumb people misunderstand the "face of racism" thing. He was not saying she was the worst racist of all the time. He was making a point about how the vast majority of modern racism is subtle, so subtle a lot of people can choose to pretend it's not there and attack anyone who dares mention it. It is more likely to be subconscious than conscious.

It's not skin heads with swastika tattoos, it's not genocide and segregation. It's things like vitriolic anger at a black man for not staying in his box. And then spending 10,000 posts trying to insist it is about anything else.

He was saying people needed to look out for, identify, and correct subtle racism. He was 100% right. It was a brave and visionary thing to say. It made him a leader, not a bully.

Not you obviously?

 

[NewMelbournian]

I've been wondering myself but I don't want to know since it's always prefaced by other stuff like left wing, sheep or something or other.

SJW means "social justice warrior". Anyone who uses SJW like it's derogatory says more about themselves than the people they'e aiming it at. It says a lot about people who think "social justice" is a bad thing.

 

[MW Zoo]

Which part should he have sucked up?

The extreme booing that has been going on for over 12 months now?

The girl shouting racist abuse at him?

Eddie Macguire's King Kong joke?

Yes the booing. I don't mind him taking a position on the racist girl abuse or Eddie Mcguire - it's water off a duck's back to me. But every action has a reaction, and how hard is it to ignore some booing. Most players revel in opposition boos.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Adam Goodes chose to be a footballer. Booing comes with the territory. It is part of the job of being a footballer and accepting the perquisites of such a position. Before he was the most booed player someone else had that title. If he wants to stop playing tomorrow no harm, no foul. He will still be richer than 95% of the population. When this thing started he could have sucked it up and learnt a life lesson from it, or he could have gone down the path of feeling sorry for himself.
Unfortunately he took the latter position (no doubt egged on by the politically correct set he seems to hang around with).

Docker Alyssa heres one for your list.


"Goodes should've just sucked it up and learnt a life lesson".

 

[Dacksaredown]

SJW means "social justice warrior". Anyone who uses SJW like it's derogatory says more about themselves than the people they'e aiming it at. It says a lot about people who think "social justice" is a bad thing.

Darn it, now you've gone and told me. thanks. I was conveniently ignoring it.

 

[corio bay]

What is this SJW you keep referencing?

SJW = Social Justice Warrior

Derogatory term for people getting all activist about something.

 

[Scoopar]

For those who keep talking about the poor little 13 year old girl...........(Who at the time Adam Goodes would not have known how old she was)...I have three daughters. From the time they could first talk until today - and they're now in their 20's....There's absolutely no way known in a million years that they would refer to an aboriginal man as an ape. Never ever.

And just in case they had? I would have acknowledged my failure as her parent to have provided her the education she should have had to avoid such an embarrassment. And I would have enrolled my daughter into an aboriginal culture awareness course.

I would never blame the victim of the racial slur. Anyone who does, in my book, is a racist.

 

[bungwahl]

Yes the booing. I don't mind him taking a position on the racist girl abuse or Eddie Mcguire - it's water off a duck's back to me. But every action has a reaction, and how hard is it to ignore some booing. Most players revel in opposition boos.

In many years of watching footy I've never seen another player receive half the extent of the booing Goodes has received this year.

This thread is enough evidence than there was a racial element behind some of the boos. That's enough to justify it being shut down.

The AFL let this issue snow ball too far.

 

[subaru]

If you're referring to the quote of Gil's I posted, that was from May 29th.
He has changed into PR mode since then, and now thinks everyone who boos him is a racist.

Well that's disapoointing ......

Why was it not racial then ...but racial now I wonder?

 

[hardon]

What is this SJW you keep referencing?

social justice warrior.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

"The players encourage fans to report such behavior, as happened at Domain Stadium during the Swans clash against West Coast in round 17."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-31/captains-unite-enough-is-enough

There it is....

Booing of Adam will be now punishable by ejection at fan discretion under "vilification".

Draconian measures from on high, delivered/sanctioned by the captains.

"We call on all supporters, from all clubs, and industry leaders to join us as we make a stand against vilification," the captains said. --- "Enough is enough. Enjoy the game, celebrate the success. But don’t boo, jeer or taunt players because of who they are or what they stand for. --- "We’re all human. We’re all in this together. And together we can make a difference."

The letter goes on to encourage fans to have a zero tolerance approach to vilification.

Realistically who can eject 5,000+ people, as I'm sure there will still be 5,000 people willing to stand up for their rights. But its still a telling gun to the publics head. Wonder how this will go.

Clear as day. Green light to thought police the citizenry in effect.

 

[momentbymoment]

I respect their right to hold that belief.

I'm not the one abusing him or even really "condoning" booing, or conceding what's happening is abuse.

I stick up for the rights of people who are at games paying hard earned money, funding the industry in the first place, and who they choose to put off their game. He is a long held booing figurehead since probably the Eagles/Swans era onwards and represents all the vitriol towards Sydney as a side. He's admitted to always being bood, which attests to my claim.

It's clearly only affecting his family and his reputation. If you think the booing itself feels racial for him you are buying his narrative. He knows why he is being boo'd and he's pivoting it to race to rescue his polarising reputation among Australians. They don't respond to blatant shaming tactics.

If that threat that AFL players will walk off in protest is true.. The AFL could be signing its own death warrant. Certainly in terms of crowd numbers and future TV rights money. They might want to put down the gun to the public's head.

He knows and every aboriginal understands that if they put their head up too high they will get abused.

I and hundreds of others on here are just curious about why.

It seems so mean spirited to abuse a man who is trying to help a very downtrodden community.

 

[Bazzar]

Seems i've struck a nerve.


That old " discredit the source " routine.
People are awake to that dumb shit nowadays.



All you need to do is read a paper , watch tv , read comments on the internet.
Now maths wasn't my greatest subject but i know just enough about percentages to realise this is 50-50



But yeah , be mad about it.
Blokes gettin booed for not being what a " good little blackfella " SHOULD be in 2015 Australia and it BURNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS that people have stood up to the bullies , doesn't it........




50%

Wow, you make make a statement as fact then when asked a simple question like where did the numbers come from you turn it around and play the victim card. Lets both move on.

 

[momentbymoment]

And yet violent death as a percentage of mortality in 20th century Russia and Germany is less than 3 percent and in pre colonial Australia deaths due to violence runs at over 3 percent.

Are you really going to quote percentages to justify the holocaust or the Russian gulags?

All I am saying is that we are in no position to think of ourselves as superior and we shouldn't be so insecure as to be offended when an aboriginal man points these things out.

 

[NewMelbournian]

For those who keep talking about the poor little 13 year old girl...........(Who at the time Adam Goodes would not have known how old she was)...I have three daughters. From the time they could first talk until today - and they're now in their 20's....There's absolutely no way known in a million years that they would refer to an aboriginal man as an ape. Never ever.

And just in case they had? I would have acknowledged my failure as her parent to have provided her the education she should have had to avoid such an embarrassment. And I would have enrolled my daughter into an aboriginal culture awareness course.

I would never blame the victim of the racial slur. Anyone who does, in my book, is a racist.

This. I do not consider myself exceptional at all. I am not above average. But when I was 13 I knew that calling a black man an ape was not ok. Making her out to be some innocent lamb is ridiculous. Adam Goodes as 100% right in the tone he took to a) point her out and not stand up for it, and b) accept her apology and put the focus on education rather than hatred.

The fact that some people make that episode out to be like some stain on his character just goes to prove how much more there is to be done with race relations in this country.

 

[NSWCROW]

SJW means "social justice warrior". Anyone who uses SJW like it's derogatory says more about themselves than the people they'e aiming it at. It says a lot about people who think "social justice" is a bad thing.

Kind of like when those worms Bolt and Akerman use the word " Luvvies "

Gives em that tingle downstairs

 

[plastikman]

It seems so mean spirited to abuse a man who is trying to help a very downtrodden community.

They lack empathy.

 

[pockets75]

In many years of watching footy I've never seen another player receive half the extent of the booing Goodes has received this year.

This thread is enough evidence than there was a racial element behind some of the boos. That's enough to justify it being shut down.

The AFL let this issue snow ball too far.

This is a good point. The other people booing are annoyed/upset/angered they are accused of being racist when they are booing for other non race related reasons.

 

[subaru]

Yep, that's what I said. The girl should have been marched out to the centre square and crucified.

*facepalm*

No...just marched out in front of the crowd and the entire viewing audience to be replayed over and over again and then further humiliated in the next days and the following weeks media.
I think, although not literally, metaphorically that's exactly what happened.

And you agree with what transpired and see nothing wrong with it

 

[Dennis Trumpet]

Your desire to eradicate all insults from the world is certainly admirable but completely unrealistic.

This is the thing about racism I don't get,

Why is one insult deemed worse then the other.

"Racist" people get called uneducated, backwards, bogans or rednecks by the enlightened ones.

Why are these insults deemed any more acceptable. Aren't these terms equally designed to marginalise and demonstrate a belief of superiority over others.

If we are all supposed to hold hands and eat cake then shouldn't these terms be abolished too.