Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

[BRWB]

Yes I agree with that but no need to come out with that attitude towards the whole thing. Should have waited for him to come back first, he would have meet with the dogs soon enough. Maybe now he won't bother I don't know.
Dido Boyd

If JC cracks the shits over being interviewed for a $600K+ job with a team set to compete for a flag with the AA captain, coach of the year, U22 AA captain, and coaches pick for best young player in the AFL....

Then frankly that says more about JC being a very poor fit for the Dogs than the Dogs as a club.

And even more frankly if JC doesn't want to be interviewed and expects to be signed up on a megabuck long term deal without being interviewed then he can GAGF.

There are red flags everywhere with JC IMO. Not excited about him at all, really hope the Blues come to the party.

 

[DapperDon]

Hrovat, pick 30 and pick 35 (from Adelaide for Talia).

I personally think pick 11 is fair, but with Carlton holding the first pick in the psd, Essendon just have to get a deal done with the dogs if Carlisle nominates us.

Hrovat would be ideal for the bombers.

So difficult to trade with.

here take our shit for your stars or he'll go to another club.........

Bloody Dodoro

 

[BRWB]

So difficult to trade with.

here take our shit for your stars or he'll go to another club.........

Bloody Dodoro

Annoying isn't it?

Dodoro's been at it for many years.

Suggest relaxing there is still hope Carlton come to their senses and offer JC his 5 yr deal and get him for a 2nd rd pick or via the PSD.

 

[DapperDon]

Annoying isn't it?

Dodoro's been at it for many years.

Suggest relaxing there is still hope Carlton come to their senses and offer JC his 5 yr deal and get him for a 2nd rd pick or via the PSD.

He & Sheeds made an awful offer for West.

12 years ago.....TWELVE.

I think it's time you got over it dude. It's a tiresome argument and has zero facts to back it up these days. Oh Noes we didn't sign Crameri over in the first 30sec of trade week opening. The world ended that day, all over forever. No return.

Not one person has laid a real claim that Dodoro was difficult other than "Well, we could have done this if he just caved to our under worth trade"

**** sake. Everyone is a sheep for believing Damian ****ing Barret.

angry rant over, I now await "quality melt" from our esteemed posters.

 

[Matty411]

If JC cracks the shits over being interviewed for a $600K+ job with a team set to compete for a flag with the AA captain, coach of the year, U22 AA captain, and coaches pick for best young player in the AFL....

Then frankly that says more about JC being a very poor fit for the Dogs than the Dogs as a club.

And even more frankly if JC doesn't want to be interviewed and expects to be signed up on a megabuck long term deal without being interviewed then he can GAGF.

There are red flags everywhere with JC IMO. Not excited about him at all, really hope the Blues come to the party.

Yeah lets be honest, doesn't look good - but under the surface, it's most likely because he's already chosen (us if talk is to be believed).

 

[BRWB]

He & Sheeds made an awful offer for West.

12 years ago.....TWELVE.

I think it's time you got over it dude. It's a tiresome argument and has zero facts to back it up these days. Oh Noes we didn't sign Crameri over in the first 30sec of trade week opening. The world ended that day, all over forever. No return.

Not one person has laid a real claim that Dodoro was difficult other than "Well, we could have done this if he just caved to our under worth trade"

**** sake. Everyone is a sheep for believing Damian ******* Barret.

angry rant over, I now await "quality melt" from our esteemed posters.

No need for anyone else to melt mate when you're doing such a good job for everyone and the fact is that it was you who again brought up Dodoro and took the thread off topic.

West may have been 12 years ago. But the Ess trade mediations recently weren't. Of course mediations only occur because everyone but Adrian is being unreasonable. It's okay I think everyone understands that you need to hear this.

Not sure how you will cope if the rumours are true and Adrian packs his bags from Tulla soon.

 

[Cringle]

He & Sheeds made an awful offer for West.

12 years ago.....TWELVE.

I think it's time you got over it dude. It's a tiresome argument and has zero facts to back it up these days. Oh Noes we didn't sign Crameri over in the first 30sec of trade week opening. The world ended that day, all over forever. No return.

Not one person has laid a real claim that Dodoro was difficult other than "Well, we could have done this if he just caved to our under worth trade"

**** sake. Everyone is a sheep for believing Damian ******* Barret.

angry rant over, I now await "quality melt" from our esteemed posters.

What was the deal they offered for West?

 

[eth-dog]

What was the deal they offered for West?

Some hack and a shit pick. Like, it was an absolutely horrible deal and deserved to get laughed at, but still...

 

[Ant_]

What was the deal they offered for West?

2nd rounder and Darren Walsh (who was delisted at the end of the trade period) for the All Australian centerman.

Also the bombers fax machine broke, so they were anxious to know if the Bulldogs accepted their stupid trade request.

edit : even worse the deluded arrogant campaigners wanted the Dogs to pay part of his salary and West take a pay cut.

Bulldog fury over West bid
By Stephen Rielly
October 9, 2004

The final day of player trading wound up to its usual frenetic close yesterday but a deal that was not consummated overshadowed those that were.

While Brad Ottens found his way to Geelong in a simplified three-club deal, Essendon, always a source of suspicion, emerged only hours before the 2pm trade deadline with a play for Western Bulldog champion Scott West.

The approach and the less-than-generous offer from the Dons of a second-round draft pick and Darren Walsh, a 19-year-old two-gamer, has embittered the relationship between the neighbours from the north and west.

West is contracted for two more years, for as much as $450,000 a season, and Essendon's deal also involved the decorated centreman accepting a pay cut, the Dons paying $250,000 and the Dogs accepting responsibility for the balance, as much as $150,000.

Essentially, Essendon's plan was for the Dogs to continue to pay a six-figure sum for a club great they would trade away for an unproven talent and a mediocre draft pick.

The audacity of the pitch angered the Dogs, who not only interpreted the offer as an insult but a betrayal of West, who had been encouraged by Essendon to believe that a trade could be achieved.

Only a week ago, new Bulldog coach Rodney Eade met West to assure the 29-year-old six-time club champion that he was a required player.

On Thursday night, after hearing renewed whispers of Essendon's intentions, Eade again spoke with West, who is holidaying with his family at Noosa Heads.

It is believed that West confirmed that he had received an approach from the Dons, several of whom he is close friends with. Recently retired Essendon centreman Joe Misiti is a friend from childhood and Essendon assistant coaches Mark Harvey and Dean Wallis live in the same Essendon street.

Angered by what happened yesterday morning, Eade also rang Kevin Sheedy to confront the Essendon coach over the handling of the approach.

"For them to come to us; a) we were shocked by it and, b) it was an absolute insult," Eade said last night.

"It showed a lack of respect for Scott West to approach him and then offer a token gesture to get the deal done. They were just playing with him and showing no regard for us as a club.

"I spoke with Scott again today and he assured me that he never initiated anything."

 

[Periphery]

If JC cracks the shits over being interviewed for a $600K+ job with a team set to compete for a flag with the AA captain, coach of the year, U22 AA captain, and coaches pick for best young player in the AFL....

Then frankly that says more about JC being a very poor fit for the Dogs than the Dogs as a club.

And even more frankly if JC doesn't want to be interviewed and expects to be signed up on a megabuck long term deal without being interviewed then he can GAGF.

There are red flags everywhere with JC IMO. Not excited about him at all, really hope the Blues come to the party.

There is no way any club in any deal does any more than a ballpark offer before a player is interviewed. It would just be a 'this is roughly what we are thinking, are you interested?' type thing. They aren't going to hand over ready to sign contracts.

It could that the ballpark the initial ballpark figure the Dogs are offering not being enough to make Carlisle interested in the Dogs. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that?

 

[BRWB]

There is no way any club in any deal does any more than a ballpark offer before a player is interviewed. It would just be a 'this is roughly what we are thinking, are you interested?' type thing. They aren't going to hand over ready to sign contracts.

It could that the ballpark the initial ballpark figure the Dogs are offering not being enough to make Carlisle interested in the Dogs. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that?

Or as an in the know poster on our board has stated, JC's manager already has been advised of our ballpark but has asked for a written offer prior to any meeting. Apparently we will do this but any offer made would be subject to Bev's sign off.

If true, it seems JC's manager is trying to shield JC from the scrutiny that an interview brings. Wonder why that is?

 

[Periphery]

Or as an in the know poster on our board has stated, JC's manager already has been advised of our ballpark but has asked for a written offer prior to any meeting. Apparently we will do this but any offer made would be subject to Bev's sign off.

If true, it seems JC's manager is trying to shield JC from the scrutiny that an interview brings. Wonder why that is?

Requesting it in writing doesn't make it any less of an indicative offer. More so when you consider the possible clauses involved in a contract like this.

If you think this is some cunning ruse to avoid an interview while locking him into a contract then I think you are probably also the type that thinks we never landed on the moon or that 911 was an inside job.

 

[BRWB]

Requesting it in writing doesn't make it any less of an indicative offer. More so when you consider the possible clauses involved in a contract like this.

If you think this is some cunning ruse to avoid an interview while locking him into a contract then I think you are probably also the type that thinks we never landed on the moon or that 911 was an inside job.

I genuinely don't enough about the footy management industry to know the answer as to why a verbal indication isn't good enough or if asking for a written offer prior to meeting is standard industry practice. Doesn't happen in the real world and our coach didn't seem excited by it. If someone with this experience wants to let us know great.

Quotes from Beveridge on SEN site

"Sometimes the cart gets put before the horse and when really the conversation and the chat about the person should be the thing that happens first," Beveridge has told SEN.

"If that's what you're up against that you can't get a look in before you've got a reasonable price, than that's the way it is. I'm not comfortable with it."

Read more at http://www.sen.com.au/news/09-15/trade-dogs-frustrated-at-chase-for-carlisle#4YTVjRGDfHEOfa8x.99

As to your latter points, I'd normally say don't be such a smart arse - but I'd only be half correct wouldn't I?

 

[Yoda_]

Calder Cannons?

The Dogs haven't hung "Micka" out to dry at all, you're attributing pure media speculation to our club.

Try being an Essendon supported for the last 3 years. Speculation by the media is fact, everyone knows this by now

 

[Yoda_]

If JC cracks the shits over being interviewed for a $600K+ job with a team set to compete for a flag with the AA captain, coach of the year, U22 AA captain, and coaches pick for best young player in the AFL....

Then frankly that says more about JC being a very poor fit for the Dogs than the Dogs as a club.

And even more frankly if JC doesn't want to be interviewed and expects to be signed up on a megabuck long term deal without being interviewed then he can GAGF.

There are red flags everywhere with JC IMO. Not excited about him at all, really hope the Blues come to the party.

He's on holidays

 

[Yoda_]

Some murmurings that the Demons second round pick will come our way that we may forward onto Saints + JC for pick 5.

 

[BlueJet]

Sadly a once great rivalry between the Blues and Bombers has been reduced to arguing over which of the two clubs is slightly less shit than the other.
Hopefully both pull their fingers out soon.

 

[Saint]

Is it just me or is JC's manager doing a pretty awful job? Trying to handle deals from multiple clubs and he's probably knocking down the price by making his client look like a tosser which he's already perceived to be.

In the end, he's done nothing so far on the field but made lots of noise off it. No matter which club he moves to, he's going to have more pressure than a number 1 draft pick. If he doesn't live up to it, he might not cope, doesn't seem to be a strong character, hence the need for pre-offer interviews. They just want to make sure he's not a tosser, but his management are making it worse.

 

[cowboysteel66]

Just a thought with Carlisle/WB. To me it looks like his manager is just trying to get deals out of clubs to get his contract up at a preferred destination (where that is who knows) ie western Bulldogs offered him x amount over x years can you do better.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

If Carlisle is looking for the highest bidder Dogs have no chance ... if it was about going to the club with the best list the Dogs would have him wrapped up

 

[Bic]

If Carlisle is looking for the highest bidder Dogs have no chance ... if it was about going to the club with the best list the Dogs would have him wrapped up

I agree. If you could offer the same as Carlton, why would he choose us over you guys? A job at Visy?

 

[goodcop badcop]

Bulldogs haven't even been able to get a meeting with Carlisle as yet according to Beveridge. Sounds as though they are a fair way off contract wise?

It sounds like he hasn't met with St Kilda either.

From Dodoro on the AFL website yesterday.

"Our understanding is that he's met with Carlton and he'll meet with St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs in the next few days," Dodoro said.

 

[Falchoon]

If Carlisle is looking for the highest bidder Dogs have no chance ... if it was about going to the club with the best list the Dogs would have him wrapped up

West Coast would

 

[cowboysteel66]

It sounds like he hasn't met with St Kilda either.

From Dodoro on the AFL website yesterday.

"Our understanding is that he's met with Carlton and he'll meet with St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs in the next few days," Dodoro said.

He did meet with the Saints before he went away. Ameet Bains and Alan Richardson have both said this.

"The Saints indicated on the weekend they had met with Carlisle once already and hoped to do so again when he returned from his overseas trip.

Richardson told Channel 7 the Saints considered Carlisle, who turns 24 on Thursday, a quality player who matched their needs."

 

[Ant_]

West Coast would

He meant the best list out of the suitors