Do Brisbane need a priority pick?

[Sasquatch]

Brisbane do not a need a priority pick. A priority pick will not fix the issues at the club. We could have 22 first round draft picks running around for us but we'd still be at the bottom of the ladder and a rabble. The team is poorly coached, poorly captained and the facilities are from the ice age. Until those situations get fixed first, Brisbane will remain a rabble. It's time the big issue is taken into account and fixed sooner rather than later. We will deserve a priority pick until these things are addressed, but not before.

 

[Fatcat08]

Brisbane's administration is lazy.

As someone who has worked for a major company in Brisbane who wanted a commercial relationship with the Lions, I say that from personal experience.

The current Administration or previous? Since July 2014 or before that? Genuinely interested in the answer to this. Members have given the current Admin time to get their heads around the task at hand and make changes which has mostly happened. Deficits are reducing, new sponsorships have been obtained and more likely to renew soon, we've increased football spending and resources, fan engagement and media content has increased out of sight in the last 2 years. There's been a lot of good happening as well. I'd be interested to know what industry this was too. Was there a long term existing arrangement with a similar company? Was it when Swann first arrived - perhaps there were bigger fish to fry given the massive restructure that took place when he got here? Would be interesting to hear some details, feel free to PM me if you don't want to put it on here.

 

[Hollow Knight]

The current Administration or previous? Since July 2014 or before that? Genuinely interested in the answer to this. Members have given the current Admin time to get their heads around the task at hand and make changes which has mostly happened. Deficits are reducing, new sponsorships have been obtained and more likely to renew soon, we've increased football spending and resources, fan engagement and media content has increased out of sight in the last 2 years. There's been a lot of good happening as well. I'd be interested to know what industry this was too. Was there a long term existing arrangement with a similar company? Was it when Swann first arrived - perhaps there were bigger fish to fry given the massive restructure that took place when he got here? Would be interesting to hear some details, feel free to PM me if you don't want to put it on here.

Jeff has been trotting out the same unsubstantiated stuff since long before then, so I assume it's an old administration but he seems to have a vested interest in perpetuating the same image over and over.

Because he works for a marketing company or some such... he knows all.

Has he trotted out the "they are terrible at marketing themselves... They need to get rid of any reference to Fitzroy because it just confuses Brisbane sports fans" rubbish yet? The only thing stopping us from going head to head with the Broncos is some bad marketing decisions apparently.

 

[old55]

Brisbane do not a need a priority pick. A priority pick will not fix the issues at the club. We could have 22 first round draft picks running around for us but we'd still be at the bottom of the ladder and a rabble. The team is poorly coached, poorly captained and the facilities are from the ice age. Until those situations get fixed first, Brisbane will remain a rabble. It's time the big issue is taken into account and fixed sooner rather than later. We will deserve a priority pick until these things are addressed, but not before.

I think you're on the right track there. All the PPs in the world couldn't help MFC until we started getting our culture right and that started with a competent CEO in Peter Jackson, a coach with veritas in Paul Roos and a board under Glenn Bartlett who knows their governance role and doesn't over-step into operations. It seems like we're finally on the right track.

Hopefully Brisbane has got the Board with Leigh Matthews involvement and a very experienced CEO in Greg Swann right. It's a tough job for Justin Leppitsch under these difficult circumstances. However it's not easy to find a similar Roos-like alternative that Brisbane could bring in to give stability, except maybe Roos himself but he seems done with it. Eade is at GC trying to do it there and Worsfold at EFC. Thompson and Malthouse don't inspire for different reasons. The AFL could bankroll Clarkson at $1.5M a year to go up there - that would be the best thing for Brisbane IMO.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The AFL is going to strip pick 1 and give to Brisbane aren't they? kick Essendon some more while they are down eh it's not like Essendon haven't been punished already.

They won't but they should.

Kick Essendon when they're down? Your club brought this on themselves and then fought the penalties every step of the way, stop complaining.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Assuming of course that Marshall continues to improve. Battle had the far better first game at the champs.

As a Melbourne supporter, it feels great to say I have no idea who these players are

 

[Hollow Knight]

They won't but they should.

Kick Essendon when they're down? Your club brought this on themselves and then fought the penalties every step of the way, stop complaining.

Poor Essendon. Imagine if they only got pick 2 on top of the massive re-injection of talent they will get next year.

Can't tell you how deflating it is to hear the Victorian media constantly banging on about how important it is to get a club that cheated back on its feet quickly because the AFL "needs a strong Essendon" while we are on total life support. They cheat, but we're the ones who have apparently brought it entirely on ourselves and need to lift ourselves back up by our own bootstraps in a hostile frontier market.

Feel like we are the football equivalent of all those people who lost their homes in the GFC while congress raced to bail out the investment banking firms who started the whole mess.

 

[Mitchell54]

Priority Picks History
Year Pick Player & Club
1997 1 Travis Johnstone Melbourne
1999 1 Josh Fraser Collingwood
1999 2 Paul Hasleby Fremantle
2000 1 Nick Riewoldt St Kilda
2001 1 Luke Hodge Hawthorn
2001 2 Luke Ball St Kilda
2001 3 Chris Judd West Coast
2003 1 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs
2003 2 Andrew Walker Carlton
2003 3 Colin Sylvia Melbourne
2004 1 Brett Deledio Richmond
2004 2 Jarryd Roughead Hawthorn
2004 3 Ryan Griffen Western Bulldogs
2005 1 Marc Murphy Carlton
2005 2 Dale Thomas Collingwood
2005 3 Xavier Ellis Hawthorn
2007 1 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton
2009 1 Tom Scully Melbourne

I don't understand how that pick was priority when freo traded it to us. Never really known.

And jeez how many priority picks did they wanna give away from 1999-2005?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I don't understand how that pick was priority when freo traded it to us. Never really known.

Freo had the PP, not Hawthorn. That they elected to trade it is their own problem.

 

[Adz2332]

Agree with what Kochie had to say about Ess and pick 1.
No way they should get it. Ess will have a dozen players back next year, they havent got the worst list around and the reason they are rubbish this year is of their own doing / cheating.
Brissy on the other hand deserves it. they dont have the luxury of bringing in 12 first 22 players from round 1 next year.
If the AFL were serious about not giving Ess a leg up when they dont deserve it they would make their first pick in the middle of round 1 at best

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Agree with what Kochie had to say about Ess and pick 1.
No way they should get it. Ess will have a dozen players back next year, they havent got the worst list around and the reason they are rubbish this year is of their own doing / cheating.
Brissy on the other hand deserves it. they dont have the luxury of bringing in 12 first 22 players from round 1 next year.
If the AFL were serious about not giving Ess a leg up when they dont deserve it they would make their first pick in the middle of round 1 at best

Kochie is an idiot.

 

[Adz2332]

Kochie is an idiot.

Bit rich coming from a club who backed Hird and the admin up all the way till now

 

[JeffDunne]

Jeff has been trotting out the same unsubstantiated stuff since long before then, so I assume it's an old administration but he seems to have a vested interest in perpetuating the same image over and over.

Because he works for a marketing company or some such... he knows all.

Has he trotted out the "they are terrible at marketing themselves... They need to get rid of any reference to Fitzroy because it just confuses Brisbane sports fans" rubbish yet? The only thing stopping us from going head to head with the Broncos is some bad marketing decisions apparently.

Well firstly, they are terrible at marketing themselves. That's not opinion it's fact. If you live in Brisbane then that should be patently obvious.

Secondly I don't work in marketing. I do however work with companies that are sports related in Brisbane, work closely with their marketing teams and have family members very much involved in sports and grass roots football in Brisbane. So yeah I do consider my opinion informed.

Vested interest? How so? More vested them your moronic flag waving and mindless defence of any criticism? It really does make me wonder why some team board mods inhabit this board as they are some of the most precious trolls here.

Anyway, feel free to point to examples of where I've been wrong with Brisbane. You know point to marketing strategies that have been successful?

Going head to head with the Broncos shouldn't be the goal. The Broncos and NRL have hardcore fans that will never be won over. However Brisbane isn't Adelaide or Perth, there are many people who are either Mexicans (like me) or code agnostic that can be won over to some extent that at least will attend games. Surely you've noticed the number of visiting fans that attend some of your games?

In regards to the admin, I have had experience with both the last and current admin. Late last year I was in a management meeting where the marketing team were yet again lamenting the lack of response and interest from the Lions. It's a common theme. Frankly I reckon the Broncos are lazy too but they can afford to be. Establish sports brands often are. However the Lions can't afford to be.

And yes I do feel the Fitzroy branding hurts the Lions in the Queensland market. It's irrelevant and people in Brisbane couldn't care less.

 

[Donakebab]

Poor Essendon. Imagine if they only got pick 2 on top of the massive re-injection of talent they will get next year.

Can't tell you how deflating it is to hear the Victorian media constantly banging on about how important it is to get a club that cheated back on its feet quickly because the AFL "needs a strong Essendon" while we are on total life support. They cheat, but we're the ones who have apparently brought it entirely on ourselves and need to lift ourselves back up by our own bootstraps in a hostile frontier market.

Feel like we are the football equivalent of all those people who lost their homes in the GFC while congress raced to bail out the investment banking firms who started the whole mess.

Brisbane look more like the companies that didn't fortify themselves against the crash during the boom years.

 

[JeffDunne]

Brisbane's biggest problem is it's a retirement home for people with good connections at AFL house. Not just Brisbane but football generally in SEQ.

The Lions and the Suns need to develop people entrenched in football in SEQ rather than importing people past their used by date. This is as much the AFL's fault as theirs.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Bit rich coming from a club who backed Hird and the admin up all the way till now

Bit rich? Yep ok.

The rules say if a team finishes 18th they get pick 1.

 

[Falchoon]

Priority picks. It was meant to be closer to the point above.

So I am guessing Carlton would be okay with giving up Murphy and Kreuzer since both of them being in the Carlton team right now are distorting the competition?

In practice the priority pick is the second pick

e.g Riewoldt, Kosi. Riewoldt is formally the priority pick, without the priority pick the Saints still choose Riewoldt, but lose Kosi.


So Carlton would lose Josh Kennedy and Chris Masten, aka Judd.

Just on your line of thinking, I too am against PP's despite the successes of X Clarke and J Koschitzke.

 

[Donakebab]

Bit rich coming from a club who backed Hird and the admin up all the way till now

Kochie and Hird being idiots isn't mutually exclusive.

 

[Adz2332]

Bit rich? Yep ok.

The rules say if a team finishes 18th they get pick 1.

these circumstances are a bit different from the norm.
ill be shocked if Ess get pick 1 if they finish last

 

[Donakebab]

these circumstances are a bit different from the norm.
ill be shocked if Ess get pick 1 if they finish last

Well prepare to be shocked.

 

[Grizzly86]

these circumstances are a bit different from the norm.
ill be shocked if Ess get pick 1 if they finish last

Victorian clubs and the media wanted a draft lottery last week, to stop teams tanking (out of fear that Freo were tanking). This week, it's important that Essendon get the 1st pick if they finish last, because a deliberate and callous human drug experimentation regime should reap such rewards. Not to mention players like Heppell, Hurley, Hooker and Watson returning are akin 4 #1 draft picks on their list.

Give me a spell!

 

[JeffDunne]

these circumstances are a bit different from the norm.
ill be shocked if Ess get pick 1 if they finish last

The AFL have done everything in power to protect Essendon from before their doping became public.

Why would they change tack now?

 

[Doss]

It might just be me or it might not, but I would have thought judging whether Brisbane should get a PP should be about whether they actually need one, not about whether another team should or shouldn't get pick one...

Anyhow. As a general rule I don't think PPs should exist full stop. But if there is any club I wouldn't begrudge getting one, it would be Brisbane. They genuinely need a lot of help.

 

[Adz2332]

Victorian clubs and the media wanted a draft lottery last week, to stop teams tanking (out of fear that Freo were tanking). This week, it's important that Essendon get the 1st pick if they finish last, because a deliberate and callous human drug experimentation regime should reap such rewards. Not to mention players like Heppell, Hurley, Hooker and Watson returning are akin 4 #1 draft picks on their list.

Give me a spell!

exactly this.
they are going to welcome back a dozen players plus number 1 draft pick.
if it wasnt a vic team i bet that wouldnt have happened.
Ess supporters are absolutely delusional if they feel they "deserve" number 1 pick

 

[Hollow Knight]

Can someone explain how we brought our current situation on ourselves in a way that is fundamentally different to clubs who have previously received priority picks such as Carlton and Melbourne?

I don't deny that we have made some bad decisions, but I am confused as to why the "they brought it on themselves" thing seems to be applied to us in a way these other clubs seem to be excluded from.