Recruiting Trade/Draft Talk III - Zaharakis for a SIG BET?

[YEMOC NAYR]

Agree
Our 1st this year or next year for Hopper would make me happy.
Young enough not to hurt the fact we aren't adding another kid.
Also. GWS owe us one of their good players, please.

Rather try our best and get Setterfield More chance than Hopper imo with whitfield/kelly possibly leaving. Hopper would just go up in priority for them

 

[Mercuri Rising]

VFL watchers, how is Jacob Ballard going? Not advocating picking him up as I've seen SFA of him, but I remember a fair bit of buzz based on his WAFL form, and he sounded like the kind of brute we need, disposal notwithstanding. I'm assuming that if he got picked up, it would probably be to Richmond via the mature-age VFL conveyor belt thing they've got going

 

[eth-dog]

VFL watchers, how is Jacob Ballard going? Not advocating picking him up as I've seen SFA of him, but I remember a fair bit of buzz based on his WAFL form, and he sounded like the kind of brute we need, disposal notwithstanding. I'm assuming that if he got picked up, it would probably be to Richmond via the mature-age VFL conveyor belt thing they've got going

Average. Won't get redrafted off last years form

 

[TheGrizz]

Agree
Our 1st this year or next year for Hopper would make me happy.
Young enough not to hurt the fact we aren't adding another kid.
Also. GWS owe us one of their good players, please.

Not sure why GWS owe us a good player...

Regardless a he is worth a top 10 pick atm, possibly more if he regularly plays in the team over the course of the year.

And not to mention if he becomes available then there will be more than a few teams interested, and therefore the price goes up again.

Would love to get him myself, but it will probably cost us more than just a first Rd pick (presumably for us somewhere around 6-12). Then it is a matter of how much more is he worth than say a worpel or other kid we would take with the pick.

 

[eDPS]

Darcy Fogarty in his SANFL senior debut, **** me he is impressive

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Darcy Fogarty in his SANFL senior debut, **** me he is impressive

Three touches for the game?

 

[yaco55]

DPS - Fogarty has outstanding attributes - Should go close to 1 in the draft.

 

[Cupido4lyfe]

A little bit of rumbling around Paddy McCartin. St Kilda don't seem to want to go with Bruce, Membry, Roo and Paddy in the same team. With Riewoldt potentially playing on into 2018, I think he'll start getting rather impatient with lack of opportunity. Perfect chance for Essendon to ask the question. McCartin playing deep and joey roaming for 10+ years seems like a Lloyd/Lucas combo for mine. Throw Hooker back where he belongs and you have a spine of Hooker, Hurley, Merret, Joey D and McCartin. Any reason why we shouldn't be in his ear?

 

[Milanista28]

A little bit of rumbling around Paddy McCartin. St Kilda don't seem to want to go with Bruce, Membry, Roo and Paddy in the same team. With Riewoldt potentially playing on into 2018, I think he'll start getting rather impatient with lack of opportunity. Perfect chance for Essendon to ask the question. McCartin playing deep and joey roaming for 10+ years seems like a Lloyd/Lucas combo for mine. Throw Hooker back where he belongs and you have a spine of Hooker, Hurley, Merret, Joey D and McCartin. Any reason why we shouldn't be in his ear?

Has been traded to Freo for Fyfe and his helicopter.

 

[TheGrizz]

A little bit of rumbling around Paddy McCartin. St Kilda don't seem to want to go with Bruce, Membry, Roo and Paddy in the same team. With Riewoldt potentially playing on into 2018, I think he'll start getting rather impatient with lack of opportunity. Perfect chance for Essendon to ask the question. McCartin playing deep and joey roaming for 10+ years seems like a Lloyd/Lucas combo for mine. Throw Hooker back where he belongs and you have a spine of Hooker, Hurley, Merret, Joey D and McCartin. Any reason why we shouldn't be in his ear?

After the job Dodoro did on Ameet with Carlisle, the chances are slim we would have a shot at getting him at a anything close to a fair price, if at all. I suspect this would be a Bryce Gibbs scenario where they actually just refuse to trade him at all (fair enough too!)

Despite the smack talk we give him Ameet has developed into a shrewd operator. Would be a slog of a negotiation.

 

[eth-dog]

I'd be happy to give up a top 10 pick for McCartin. He's a jet.

 

[doug85]

I'd be happy to give up a top 10 pick for McCartin. He's a jet.

I doubt the saints would have any interest in trading him.

 

[TheGrizz]

I'd be happy to give up a top 10 pick for McCartin. He's a jet.

Top 10 pick is only the start, they are going to want more than that. And probably rightly so.
Promising Key forwards are worth their weight in gold.

 

[Cupido4lyfe]

Top 10 pick is only the start, they are going to want more than that. And probably rightly so.
Promising Key forwards are worth their weight in gold.

St Kilda are spoilt for choice in KPFs. Paddy is contracted till the end of 2018 so if he keeps getting blue balls this year it might lead to a trade rather than free agency. I would honestly give up our first rounder this year (imho pick 5-11) to entice the saints who need genuine high draft pick midfielders. They have hawthorn's pick already, plus ours would likely result in 2 top tens they can have to top up their list

 

[scanlon]

Dodoro seems to think our first priority is mids (judging from that podcast), so doubt we trade our first rounder for a forward

 

[Killer_Mike]

A lot of risks associated with luring players on big contracts as Sydney are finding out.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-buddy-franklins-signing-20170505-gvyzpj.html

Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos links decline to Buddy Franklin's signing



Former coach Paul Roos has attributed the big-money signing of star forward Lance Franklin to Sydney's acute slide down the AFL ladder this season.

After reaching last year's grand final, the Swans sit 0-6 as they look to rediscover their form in Sunday's clash with fellow strugglers Brisbane (1-5) at the SCG.

Lance Franklin has not yet delivered a flag Photo: Paul Kane
Roos has given a negative assessment of the Swans' list, claiming it lacks depth as Franklin's 2013 recruitment on a nine-year deal reportedly worth $10 million eats into the salary cap.

"If you go after a player like Buddy, your list becomes skinny," Roos told News Corp Australia.

"The implications are if you go for a big star your back end of players is going to be skinny with a lot of rookies."

Much of the criticism of the Swans this season has centred on the form of its stars, with All-Australian on-ball trio Josh Kennedy, Luke Parker and Dan Hannebery all down in numbers.

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But Roos has also cast doubt on the Swans' ability to continue their envied record of successfully turning youngsters into AFL superstars,

"If you look at GWS and Melbourne they have more depth. Melbourne has Lewis and Hogan out but still has talent in reserves like Kent and Brayshaw," Roos said.

"They haven't got a marquee that gobbles up a lot of the salary cap. Whoever goes after Fyfe if he does leave Freo will have the same problem."

Premiership-winning coach Roos, who also blamed the Swans' poor season start on a limited pre-season for a number of key players, believes the club could turn around their fortunes in 2017.

"I'm confident with the Swans. They have to win 13-16 to make the eight but they're a team which could win six in a row, they've done it before," he said.

AAP

 

[TheGrizz]

St Kilda are spoilt for choice in KPFs. Paddy is contracted till the end of 2018 so if he keeps getting blue balls this year it might lead to a trade rather than free agency. I would honestly give up our first rounder this year (imho pick 5-11) to entice the saints who need genuine high draft pick midfielders. They have hawthorn's pick already, plus ours would likely result in 2 top tens they can have to top up their list

Your logic is fine in a vacuum, but in reality McCartin was the N.1 pick only 2.5 seasons ago as a key forward.
Let's face reality folks, St Kilda are 98% chance of keeping him this year and probably next. Two things need to happen for us to jump on that 2%
1. He demands a trade and categorically rejects any chance of signing a contact renewal with them for the end of 2018.
2. Clubs like us look at that situation and make the choice of a godfather offer (like two firsts or our first and a parish type). Bare in mind the steep price is due to both his value and the likely multitude of teams bidding for him

Otherwise he plays at st kilda next year in the hope they can convince him that he really is heir heir apparent up forward. The thing other clubs have for him the saints will have as well. Playing time in 2019, let alone the facts the saints will be knocking on there top 4 for then.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

A little bit of rumbling around Paddy McCartin. St Kilda don't seem to want to go with Bruce, Membry, Roo and Paddy in the same team. With Riewoldt potentially playing on into 2018, I think he'll start getting rather impatient with lack of opportunity. Perfect chance for Essendon to ask the question. McCartin playing deep and joey roaming for 10+ years seems like a Lloyd/Lucas combo for mine. Throw Hooker back where he belongs and you have a spine of Hooker, Hurley, Merret, Joey D and McCartin. Any reason why we shouldn't be in his ear?

All really good in theory but saints will want a ton for him and thats fully understandable. No harm in asking the question but I'd bet he'd be there in 2018.

 

[Lore]

A lot of risks associated with luring players on big contracts as Sydney are finding out.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-buddy-franklins-signing-20170505-gvyzpj.html

Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos links decline to Buddy Franklin's signing



Former coach Paul Roos has attributed the big-money signing of star forward Lance Franklin to Sydney's acute slide down the AFL ladder this season.

After reaching last year's grand final, the Swans sit 0-6 as they look to rediscover their form in Sunday's clash with fellow strugglers Brisbane (1-5) at the SCG.

Lance Franklin has not yet delivered a flag Photo: Paul Kane
Roos has given a negative assessment of the Swans' list, claiming it lacks depth as Franklin's 2013 recruitment on a nine-year deal reportedly worth $10 million eats into the salary cap.

"If you go after a player like Buddy, your list becomes skinny," Roos told News Corp Australia.

"The implications are if you go for a big star your back end of players is going to be skinny with a lot of rookies."

Much of the criticism of the Swans this season has centred on the form of its stars, with All-Australian on-ball trio Josh Kennedy, Luke Parker and Dan Hannebery all down in numbers.

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But Roos has also cast doubt on the Swans' ability to continue their envied record of successfully turning youngsters into AFL superstars,

"If you look at GWS and Melbourne they have more depth. Melbourne has Lewis and Hogan out but still has talent in reserves like Kent and Brayshaw," Roos said.

"They haven't got a marquee that gobbles up a lot of the salary cap. Whoever goes after Fyfe if he does leave Freo will have the same problem."

Premiership-winning coach Roos, who also blamed the Swans' poor season start on a limited pre-season for a number of key players, believes the club could turn around their fortunes in 2017.

"I'm confident with the Swans. They have to win 13-16 to make the eight but they're a team which could win six in a row, they've done it before," he said.

AAP

That's the thing for us. We seem to be chasing Fyfe/Martin/O'Meara types at the moment. If we're going to do it then it's got to be the right player and it's got to be successful... you can't be pushing out good kids because you can't afford to keep them. The Boyd trade got a lot of criticism too, but the dogs got their first premiership in 65 years partly as a result of that trade so I don't think they're too disappointed with where their salary cap is at.

 

[Killer_Mike]

That's the thing for us. We seem to be chasing Fyfe/Martin/O'Meara types at the moment. If we're going to do it then it's got to be the right player and it's got to be successful... you can't be pushing out good kids because you can't afford to keep them. The Boyd trade got a lot of criticism too, but the dogs got their first premiership in 65 years partly as a result of that trade so I don't think they're too disappointed with where their salary cap is at.

I haven't seen evidence of chasing those players other than on BigFooty but I will take your word for it.

I think using Boyd as an example is very extreme because the doggies team made it to the grand final on the back of a cohesive team unit rather than one player.

They are also at the start of their journey so it's still yet to be decided how much of an impact his contract has on future negotiations.

The dogs are young and have just won a flag so it's conceivable that they may start to lose players.

They may have got one flag but it could cost them two more.


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[Lore]

I haven't seen evidence of chasing those players other than on BigFooty but I will take your word for it.

I think using Boyd as an example is very extreme because the doggies team made it to the grand final on the back of a cohesive team unit rather than one player.

They are also at the start of their journey so it's still yet to be decided how much of an impact his contract has on future negotiations.

The dogs are young and have just won a flag so it's conceivable that they may start to lose players.

They may have got one flag but it could cost them two more.


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Some of the clubs interviews over the trade period and off season last year mentioned that we were targeting players and had a bit of room in the salary cap still. I'm pretty sure I remember Dodoro specifically saying that retaining Hooker and Hurley wouldn't affect that type of stuff, and also retention of Fantasia, Parish, etc. Whether I could find it again is another matter XD

Boyd is an extreme example, perhaps, but just in relation to one of the captions on the photo stating that Buddy had yet to win them a flag... well at least Boyd and the dogs have that to show for it.

 

[Killer_Mike]

Some of the clubs interviews over the trade period and off season last year mentioned that we were targeting players and had a bit of room in the salary cap still. I'm pretty sure I remember Dodoro specifically saying that retaining Hooker and Hurley wouldn't affect that type of stuff, and also retention of Fantasia, Parish, etc. Whether I could find it again is another matter XD

Boyd is an extreme example, perhaps, but just in relation to one of the captions on the photo stating that Buddy had yet to win them a flag... well at least Boyd and the dogs have that to show for it.

Yeah, I remember those comments from Dodoro. I think his definition of chasing players may differ from what you see on here though. Most here are talking Fyfe and Martin types but their are so few of those players.

No doubt they would improve us but would they guarantee a flag? I don't think so.

I think someone like Stewart was a very shrewd purchase that has potential for significant improvements in our structure with what is effectively no outlay.

As you tell I'm against but time will tell if it's effective with both Sydney and Doggies still in premiership windows.


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[faible]

I'd not be surprised if we went after someone like a Rockliff or Pittard instead of a Fyfe or Martin; sure the latter two are both brilliant players but they'll also cost a fortune.

Brisbane may well be happy for Rockliff to walk on a decent wage - Hurley or Hooker level, as opposed to Fyfe level - and take the compo pick for example.

Otherwise a guy like Hopper would be a good target -though he's starting to get game-time at GWS so won't come cheaply. I'd think we'll have a crack at Setterfield next year too given the time we put in to him prior to the draft (to not even throw a bid out) and that we'll still need to build more depth in that age bracket through the midfield.

Unfortunately KPP's won't come cheap, and i'm not sure (yet) in a position to start trading out of the first / second round of the draft, but if Schache doesn't re-sign once the CBA is finalised he'd be worth a look.

 

[foj1]

Setterfield would be a target.
Tim Taranto is good friends with McGrath and Clarke.
Rockliff would be ok if we lose a heap of experience.

 

[eth-dog]

Just go after Setterfield, Taranto, Florent, Lyons and Scrimshaw. Get all of them together again.