List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

[MagpieBat]

I'm torn on the idea of Reid coming in as a forward.

One thing we badly need is a mature forward that can provide structure and kick goals. That will take some heat off Darcy while allowing McCarthy and any other key forward we recruit some time to develop at a lower level.

One thing we don't need is a player that doesn't get on the field. A player that doesn't kick goals. And another underperforming player on a big and long contract.

I'd love to see Reids goal kicking stats filtered to the games that he has spent as a forward. Because his stats aren't encouraging but how much have they been impacted by the time he has played in defense? I suspect most of his career has been forward.

If his goal kicking stats are better when only a forward and the medicos are happy he'll get on the field consistently i'd be inclined to jump on the trade. If not i'd pass.

His player ratings from SEN give you a much better idea of what you're wondering (although not a complete one, for which I suspect you would have to sit down and watch every game he has ever played):

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/115786/Sam-REID

Note 2015 where he played a lot in defence because he couldn't get a game forward behind Franklin/Tippett/Goodes, as well as chunks of 2014 likewise, bracketed by injury destroyed seasons in 2013 and 2016.

I know it feels like we've been here before with other players brought in, but if he could rediscover the player he was in 2012 when they won the premiership, then that would almost be enough in the immediate...

 

[jackcass]

Grundy for Trengove?

Trengove is a FA, no need to trade.

 

[MagpieBat]

Trengove is a FA, no need to trade.

Given he's Restricted FA, which gives them right of refusal, it could very well come down to a trade...

 

[philthy05]

Wouldnt Ryder help Dixon out up forward?

Ideally no

As a ruckman Ryder is a+

As a forward he is c+

Paying him whatever we are paying him to be an ok forward would be a waste.

 

[swoop42]

His player ratings from SEN give you a much better idea of what you're wondering (although not a complete one, for which I suspect you would have to sit down and watch every game he has ever played):

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/115786/Sam-REID

Note 2015 where he played a lot in defence because he couldn't get a game forward behind Franklin/Tippett/Goodes, as well as chunks of 2014 likewise, bracketed by injury destroyed seasons in 2013 and 2016.

I know it feels like we've been here before with other players brought in, but if he could rediscover the player he was in 2012 when they won the premiership, then that would almost be enough in the immediate...

Mayne Kicked 39.7 in 2012.

 

[jackcass]

Serious question. Is Grundy worth two first rounders.
I would take that in a heart beat

If the 1st round picks are coming from a top 4 side then yes as that'd put them at pick 15+.

 

[jackcass]

A stop gap at what price? If we didn't have Mayne's contract holding us to ransom I'd say sure. But we do. Thanks Gubby you pr*ck!

Salary cap space won't be an issue when the new EBA is sorted. Every club will have about $2m extra.

 

[jackcass]

Given he's Restricted FA, which gives them right of refusal, it could very well come down to a trade...

I'd reckon we've got about $500k more in the war chest than them (95% v 100% of 2017 TPP)

 

[ottoman]

If the 1st round picks are coming from a top 4 side then yes as that'd put them at pick 15+.

Yeah. After I posted that question I realized the same thing. Big difference between 2 top 5 picks and 2 picks around the 15-18 mark. Thing is when we say first rounder I automatically think top 10 for some reason. So in my mind two first rounders meant 2 top 10 picks, which of course is not what it means.

 

[Kappa]

Mayne Kicked 39.7 in 2012.

We should try sign him up

 

[ottoman]

We should try sign him up

Would probably cost a fair bit around 500k in my opinion but well worth it I'm sure.
Make it happen Eddie.

 

[Baird]

Salary cap space won't be an issue when the new EBA is sorted. Every club will have about $2m extra.

Will still be a shit contract

 

[Nicco_jj]

I don't even want to to acknowledge the possibility of Grundy leaving. He's 23 and is already one if the best rucks in the game. Must stay at any cost.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Looks like Reid may want to join his brother?

Would help in the forward line at least, but would make our ruck/forward situation interesting. I'd wager Cox would most likely never get another game if we pick up Reid.

 

[Soups]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl...j1.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Very interesting article about James Sutherland's boy (Aus cricket CEO) being approached by the AFL. They think he could be drafted in the top 10. Would be crazy get for AFL if he chose it over cricket. Don't think it will happen but interesting nonetheless.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Still can't believe I am still reading "if DeGoey doesn't come good soon..." and saying he could be Freeman-esque.

You've got to be kidding me. I'd only have Petracca and maybe Lever ahead of him at this stage*.

* without looking too far into the draft

Based on where the 2014 draftees are at this stage in their respective careers I'd agree DeGoey ain't looking too bad. Not many are setting the competition on fire.

But I'd still rather Wright, McGovern, Marchbank, Andrews as well.

Foresight with hindsight is a wonderful thing though. Looking back now it would have been nice taking two key position players with our two top 10 picks.

 

[BrownUndies]

I don't even want to to acknowledge the possibility of Grundy leaving. He's 23 and is already one if the best rucks in the game. Must stay at any cost.

He's staying

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-...fident-contract-extension-will-soon-be-signed

 

[Anzacday]

Are you jumping at the post on Trade Radio's Facebook page, which is citing the following (at 44:54...?)

https://www.9now.com.au/afl-footy-show/2017/episode-9

"Yet to resume" talks, in Barrett's words. Old mate Damo also says, with developments on the new pay deal, "some movement on that (Grundy's contract)" expected soon...

Grundy said he was confident his contract extension would follow soon after.
"When that is all wrapped up, watch this space," Grundy said.
"I am happy at Collingwood."

Damo got one right this time.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-...fident-contract-extension-will-soon-be-signed

 

[MagpieBat]

Grundy said he was confident his contract extension would follow soon after.
"When that is all wrapped up, watch this space," Grundy said.
"I am happy at Collingwood."

Damo got one right this time.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-...fident-contract-extension-will-soon-be-signed

There, you see, TradeDraft?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Did a poster just the other day say the delay was about the new CBA and salary cap?
Who was that?

 

[JOELY]

was listening to simon dalrymple on the road to the draft podcast. he suggested at the moment the top end talent in this years draft is a bit weak.

we haven't reached the champs yet so hopefully some names bob up through the rest of the year.

 

[Apex36]

Did a poster just the other day say the delay was about the new CBA and salary cap?
Who was that?

Most of them. Stop trying to toot your own horn.

 

[loki04]

was listening to simon dalrymple on the road to the draft podcast. he suggested at the moment the top end talent in this years draft is a bit weak.

we haven't reached the champs yet so hopefully some names bob up through the rest of the year.

Pyeman on EbnW also said it a few weeks back,lot of diff types not much depth also (Atm) doesn't appear any superstars, 2018 draft looks good. Brander Fogarty and Rayner not on same level as Judd/Hodge draft.

Date Posted: 13:24 26/04/17 Wed
Author: Pyeman
Author Host/IP: pa49-184-174-220.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au / 49.184.174.220
Subject: Lots of different types this year but not much depth. Att doesn't appear to be any superstars
In reply to: The Quizard 's message, "Is there any understanding at the type of players making up the early prospectus?" on 11:29 26/04/17 Wed

Date Posted: 13:26 26/04/17 Wed
Author: Pyeman
Author Host/IP: pa49-184-174-220.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au / 49.184.174.220
Subject: 2018 has recruiters drooling though.
In reply to: Pyeman 's message, "Lots of different types this year but not much depth. Att doesn't appear to be any superstars" on 13:24 26/04/17 Wed

Date Posted: 13:33 26/04/17 Wed
Author: Rodda83
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Subject: You don't rate Fogarty, Brander and Rayner as potential star players ?
In reply to: Pyeman 's message, "Lots of different types this year but not much depth. Att doesn't appear to be any superstars" on 13:24 26/04/17 Wed

Date Posted: 16:33 26/04/17 Wed
Author: Pyeman
Author Host/IP: pa49-199-205-188.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au / 49.199.205.188
Subject: No, not even close to the Judd Hodge bracket, and GWS weren't disappointed losing Brander
In reply to: Rodda83 's message, "You don't rate Fogarty, Brander and Rayner as potential star players ?" on 13:33 26/04/17 Wed

Spewing on Spargo though.

Personally I still think Fogarty and Brander have potential gun written all over them.

 

[BEEG]

I'm fine with Reid as long as we still draft a forward with our early pick, Reid isn't the answer to our forward line, could help alot with Moore and an early pick.

 

[CFC2010]

Pyeman on EbnW also said it a few weeks back,lot of diff types not much depth also (Atm) doesn't appear any superstars, 2018 draft looks good. Brander Fogarty and Rayner not on same level as Judd/Hodge draft.

Personally I still think Fogarty and Brander have potential gun written all over them.

Could explain why we're into Schache then loki04.