2017 UK General Election - The Verdict: It's MAYDUP

[FredLeDeux]

Weird post. I don't see the connection you're making at all. Corbyn's Labour didn't go for the UKIP vote. Why would our ALP go for the One Nation vote? Strange comparison, and not related slightly to what may post was about.

The greens in the UK basically committed suicide so that Corbyn would have a chance.

A reflection of first past the post politics.

And you thought the previous reply was weird!

 

[midorigreenwood]

And you thought the previous reply was weird!

Nothing weird about it at all

Corbyn moved the party left and ate the greens (who didn't put up much of a fight)

Australian politics is a different kettle of fish to the UK/US where Corbyn and Sanders have thrived.

Voters can afford to support the left while having their preferences flow to the centrist party.

At the same time Labor can afford to move to the centre (where Pessimistic assumes wrongly that hardline asylum seeker policy is far right) comforted in the knowledge that it is unlikely that left preferences will flow to the Coalition.

 

[Forward Press]

It's a bit of a misnomer to equate the Greens with socialism. Economically, they're far from socialists.

If I believed they were in any way close to socialist, I would vote them over Labor.

Certainly further to the left than Labor, but I do agree that economically they are not socialist.

 

[JackOutback]

Certainly further to the left than Labor, but I do agree that economically they are not socialist.

Well, except for the Left Renewal faction.

 

[Pessimistic]

I just see the one nation voters as disgruntled generally with globalisation. And if no pollies are fighting that corner then they'll project to the ones who are using dog whistling for the protest vote

I don't think they all see that stuff as their main motivation

To clarify I don't think all the one nation vote can be brought back to labor

 

[Forward Press]

I just see the one nation voters as disgruntled generally with globalisation. And if no pollies are fighting that corner then they'll project to the ones who are using dog whistling for the protest vote

I don't think they all see that stuff as their main motivation

To clarify I don't think all the one nation vote can be brought back to labor

Strangely enough I think a fair proportion of ON voters (if/when they collapse again) would go to the Greens. There must be a significant percentage of voters that are protest voters - don't really care for the ideology or policies of the non ALP/LNP party, they just want to register their dissatisfaction with the current state of politics. The same kind of voters that helped get Trump into the White House and saw a Leave result in the referendum.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Certainly further to the left than Labor, but I do agree that economically they are not socialist.

I don't disagree, but if they're not socialist economically, they're not socialist.

Minor nitpicking, but it just annoys me when people think the Greens are some radically left party (I know you're not one of those people).

 

[Forward Press]

I don't disagree, but if they're not socialist economically, they're not socialist.

Minor nitpicking, but it just annoys me when people think the Greens are some radically left party (I know you're not one of those people).

I heard the Greens will allow terrorists to teach our schoolkids and tax those earning $100k 100% of their income.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

May out-Blairing Blair at the Tory launch.

Hard to see it not being completely ugly for Corbyn.

Could not be happier to be eating my words right now. Politics at it's most outstandingly unexpected best.

 

[Forward Press]

Could not be happier to be eating my words right now. Politics at it's most outstandingly unexpected best.

Say what you want about Corbyn, the fact he overcame constant vicious media attacks and backstabbing from members of his own party and still come this close to being PM indicates a near perfect campaign.

This performance will shut his rivals up for the next 5 years. Like Bill Shorten, all he has to do now is bide his time and wait for the next election.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Could not be happier to be eating my words right now. Politics at it's most outstandingly unexpected best.

Raise the bat as well

 

[Jascave]

Maybe Theresa May should ring former Australian PM Julia Gillard and ask her how she managed to run a minority government despite forces working against her to bring her government down (ie Kevin Rudd, Bill Shorten, News Limited).


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[AM]

Maybe Theresa May should ring former Australian PM Julia Gillard and ask her how she managed to run a minority government despite forces working against her to bring her government down (ie Kevin Rudd, Bill Shorten, News Limited).


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I'm not so sure she'll be at 10 Downing Street all that long, Jase.

On a slightly different note, really loved Labor's slogan of "For the many, not the few". At a time when the divide between the very rich and the ever increasing numbers of the very poor is growing by the day it really resonated.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

LOL so the Tories have to govern with the support of the Ulster Scots, what could go wrong?

 

[SBYM]

what could go wrong?

I feel like I've recently heard this somewhere before...

 

[Old Spice]

 

[Old Spice]

This is the official statement from Sir Buckethead, remove it and be damned sir!

 

[Maggie5]

Listening to BBC radio was the comment about voting patterns is that it may be about people voting against a party more than for.
Alliegence is lessening therefore making it difficult to predict a winner.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

So the Tories form a coalition of chaos with extremist terrorist sympathisers.

They are truly a debased group of power hungry vampires.

 

[SBYM]

Posting a three-hour clip is probs a bit stoopid...but there is a s**t ton of stuff in here about the UK election, dotted throughout...mainly in the first hour.



A good vid to have on in the background...direct from Brooklyn, US of A.

Great gag @ 2:04:55...about Theresa and something that is illegal in a few states...

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Honestly I just ignore the UK tabloid press, but on the other side some of the wounded bitterness and desperate scepticism, hidden behind rather positive coverage of Corbyn from the likes of the Guardian, is thoroughly enjoyable. Posh entitled white middle class Oxbridge "left leaning" journalists, who bandy about phrases like problematic, yet despise any true progressive, are currently squirming over months of pro-PLP anti-Corbyn coverage. The derisive "unelectable" moniker is looking especially daft.

Their cynicism and unwillingness to take anybody seriously, that isn't a vaguely human neo-liberal grifting construct, has been one of the great betrayals of the working class, by a working class publication. Ever since the trust was reorganised, this drift towards the kind of Clintonesque, centre right economic cheerleading, that uses social issues as a wedge, has left me disappointed and frustrated. It seems the media is inundated with former Blair and Clinton staffers, and Turnbull fans, that would rather grimly suffer through conservative governments, undermine progressives and bitch about identity politics, than report in a balanced way.

A shame, because the guardian is one of the few decent sources of investigative journalism left. I like the indies of the news media, like The Intercept or Reveal, but they often have a very politicised voice, or have small target style coverage.

Having said that, Owen Jones is a happy chappy and credit to him. The patronising tone he earns from colleagues must be infuriating. Being earnest and having principles was rather unfashionable. Only "detail" oriented incrementalists, running on a centrist platform and willing to compromise, can succeed. If you don't agree it must be because you hate brown people and women, even if you are brown or a woman.

 

[Pessimistic]

Weird post. I don't see the connection you're making at all. Corbyn's Labour didn't go for the UKIP vote. Why would our ALP go for the One Nation vote? Strange comparison, and not related slightly to what my post was about.

Forgot to mention one nation voters actually did flow back to labor in WA

Who was it said the impotent are pure?

 

[JackOutback]

Maybe Theresa May should ring former Australian PM Julia Gillard and ask her how she managed to run a minority government despite forces working against her to bring her government down (ie Kevin Rudd, Bill Shorten, News Limited).


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To be fair to Shorten, he was a Gillard supporter and wasn't trying to bring her down. He switched allegiances at the last minute when he saw the writing on the wall.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Forgot to mention one nation voters actually did flow back to labor in WA

Who was it said the impotent are pure?

Disgruntled UKIP voters didn't shift to Corbyn's Labour (as you originally suggested). In fact, Labor's David Winnick lost his Walsall seat partially off the back of UKIP's collapse and its voters going to the Conservatives. See here:
https://www.expressandstar.com/news...id-winnick-loses-seat-he-had-held-since-1979/
Winnick speaks about this at 9.00 mins:

Actually there is an interesting vox pop with a disgruntled UKIP voter at 4.28. Like most Sun reading, recent UKIP voters, he wouldn't vote for Corbyn in a pink fit.

In the Australian context, One Nation originally arose with disgruntled Lib/Nat voters, which is a well established fact. Howard was so worried about bleeding more of his conservative base to One Nation that he the shifted the Coalition further to the right to keep them. Hanson was also considered enough of a threat to the Lib/Nat base that he gave Abbott the the job of stitching her up.

Sure, there will be some UKIP and ON voters who, when their party is flailing, give their vote to Labor/Labour. But they would be significantly in the minority.

 

[Jascave]

Can't see Theresa May holding on to the job as Prime Minister for very long. Could be facing a leadership challenge within the next 3-6 months. Who will take on May for the twin roles of leadership of the Conservatives and Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?


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