List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

[feenix67]

No reason that we couldn't make up the difference in contract if Saints theoretically offered their 2x firsts and Melbourne weren't coming to the party. Ie we pay $100k a year of his contract to ensure we get good value at the trade table.

Exactly, which is why Melbourne need to come to the party if they want to get their man.

 

[Gets!]

This years first and next years first, and we can chuck them a future 3rd.

I'm glad we went after Petracca though...they want quality? Well they don't get it for peanuts!!

 

[Jars458]

It's
And for what it's worth I don't agree with the bulk of the Adelaide posters pushing these lines. Posters like Sanders..

There are no posters like Sanders. He is one of a kind.

 

[Shaz2012]

Lever and our 2nd for Watts and Salem.
Gibbs for our 1st.

Brown Talia Laird
Watts Hartigan Salem
Gibbs Sloane Atkins
Lynch Walker McGovern
Betts Jenkins Cameron

Jacobs MCrouch BCrouch

Greenwood Knight Douglas Doedee/Kelly

Depth: Keath, Hampton, Milera, Gallucci, Seedsman, Mackay
Inj: Smith

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

No reason that we couldn't make up the difference in contract if Saints theoretically offered their 2x firsts and Melbourne weren't coming to the party. Ie we pay $100k a year of his contract to ensure we get good value at the trade table.

I think you can only do that when trading contracted players, not uncontracted ones.

 

[TrainRoo32]

Now that it's pretty clear we want 2 first-rounders, we won't even get pick 10. Melbourne will refuse to trade that. They will trade Watts for a high first rounder or early 2nd and will offer that and pick 27.

I don't see how a player you're willing to pay 750-900k pa
Isn't worth 2 first rounders!

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Lever and our 2nd for Watts and Salem.
Gibbs for our 1st.

Brown Talia Laird
Watts Hartigan Salem
Gibbs Sloane Atkins
Lynch Walker McGovern
Betts Jenkins Cameron

Jacobs MCrouch BCrouch

Greenwood Knight Douglas Doedee/Kelly

Depth: Keath, Hampton, Milera, Gallucci, Seedsman, Mackay
Inj: Smith

Watts? We don't need another Tambling.

 

[Crow till I die]

It looks like Melbourne are apparently hawking a couple of their players around. I wonder if the following might be a deal that would work:-

Lever to melbourne.
Salem (melbourne player) and Adelaide's 2017 first round pick to Carlton
Melbourne's first round pick and Gibbs to the Crows

 

[Untouchables22]

Lever and our 2nd for Watts and Salem.
Gibbs for our 1st.

Brown Talia Laird
Watts Hartigan Salem
Gibbs Sloane Atkins
Lynch Walker McGovern
Betts Jenkins Cameron

Jacobs MCrouch BCrouch

Greenwood Knight Douglas Doedee/Kelly

Depth: Keath, Hampton, Milera, Gallucci, Seedsman, Mackay
Inj: Smith

I wouldn't even do Watts and Salem for Lever straight up.

 

[cmndstab]

Exactly. They're overpaying him, so they can overpay us too.

I hear this sentiment a lot, but surely it's actually the opposite of this?

They're offering to overpay him BECAUSE they don't want to overpay at the trade table. They want to make him an offer so good that he chooses them to the exclusion of other clubs, which gives them leverage at the trade table. It also takes the PSD threat out of the equation.

If they were willing to cough up big at the trade table they'd just offer him the same that other clubs are offering for him and then "win" the trade war on the size of the draft picks they offer.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I hear this sentiment a lot, but surely it's actually the opposite of this?

They're offering to overpay him BECAUSE they don't want to overpay at the trade table. They want to make him an offer so good that he chooses them to the exclusion of other clubs, which gives them leverage at the trade table. It also takes the PSD threat out of the equation.

If they were willing to cough up big at the trade table they'd just offer him the same that other clubs are offering for him and then "win" the trade war on the size of the draft picks they offer.

That's why we got such a bumper windfall for Patty!

 

[cmndstab]

That's why we got such a bumper windfall for Patty!

That's case in point, though. Geelong knew they had Danger dead to rights, he didn't want to go anywhere else. It was there or here. So they didn't offer any more than was absolutely needed to get him to commit to them, and then were free to lowball us at the trade table.

Melbourne doesn't have the family allure over Lever compared to other Victorian clubs, so they need to offer something a bit extra to get him to choose them and them alone. If big money helps that to happen, then they can also lowball us at the trade table.


Given that players have to agree to trades, you can only really expect quality draft picks in return if there is a genuine bidding war for Jake's services. If one club just blows the others out of the water with crazy money, then they and Jake have all the leverage.

 

[Shaz2012]

Watts? We don't need another Tambling.

Nah. Quality player. But I am suggesting playing him as a defender and not a forward which is a risk. I reckon he would be an excellent like for like replacement for Jake Lever. Knows how to mark, knows how to find the ball, just cant kick goals. Not sure how his spoiling is, but given he is a great mark I would think he would have good timing. Would give a great marking option for kicking out after a behind as well.

 

[Shaz2012]

It looks like Melbourne are apparently hawking a couple of their players around. I wonder if the following might be a deal that would work:-

Lever to melbourne.
Salem (melbourne player) and Adelaide's 2017 first round pick to Carlton
Melbourne's first round pick and Gibbs to the Crows

No dont like that. If Salem is up for grabs, I want him. For me Gibbs is going to be 29 years old. His value has already been spent. He is not worth Salem.

I wouldn't even do Watts and Salem for Lever straight up.

I would. Definitely.

 

[matty p]

I wouldn't even do Watts and Salem for Lever straight up.

Agreed, probably the worst trade proposal I've seen. To walk out without even one first round pick would be disastrous (unless we were miraculously getting one of Petracca/Oliver/Viney).

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That's case in point, though. Geelong knew they had Danger dead to rights, he didn't want to go anywhere else. It was there or here. So they didn't offer any more than was absolutely needed to get him to commit to them, and then were free to lowball us at the trade table.

Melbourne doesn't have the family allure over Lever compared to other Victorian clubs, so they need to offer something a bit extra to get him to choose them and them alone. If big money helps that to happen, then they can also lowball us at the trade table.


Given that players have to agree to trades, you can only really expect quality draft picks in return if there is a genuine bidding war for Jake's services. If one club just blows the others out of the water with crazy money, then they and Jake have all the leverage.

There's never a bidding war for services

 

[srv23]

If we win the flag could Lever be the first premiership player ever to get booed at grand final celebrations when they present the players to the supporters!!

 

[1990crow]

If we win the flag could Lever be the first premiership player ever to get booed at grand final celebrations when they present the players to the supporters!!

Ill be honest.. I've already thought about it.

 

[GameofSloanes]

I'd suggest we've been the opposite of a destination club.

But if you listen to player managers, and I've had some access to Paul Connors, Melbourne is most definitely emerging as a destination club. Lewis chose us for a reason and Hibberd chose Melbourne.

Players at clubs know who are emerging. Lever and his manager would be infinitely aware of our list profile.

You may rightly think Lever is a mercenary, but he also wants to join a club that he perceives has a strong chance of success. He'd look at Petracca, Viney, Hunt, Oliver, Salem, Brayshaw, Tyson, Hogan, Gawn and McDonald as the foundations for future success. You're welcome to name North's 25 and under equivalent

So a club that didn't make the 8 as opposed to one that is hosting a preliminary final? Mercenary

 

[TrainRoo32]

Ill be honest.. I've already thought about it.

I'm thinking about booing him this week [emoji12]

 

[Samcro24]

There's never a bidding war for services

Can this be stickied somewhere?

 

[Elite Crow]

This guy did say yesterday that Hinkley was going to GC so not sure how reliable he is. Doesn't seem like a knob like the tradewhisperer though, especially since he's bagged Cornes and Rucci.

So in effect we lose Lever for 10 & 18 and Cameron for 27 & 41.

Thoughts?

He also said Crows were going cold on Gibbs as Carlton still want 2 firsts.

 

[TrainRoo32]

I'd suggest we've been the opposite of a destination club.

But if you listen to player managers, and I've had some access to Paul Connors, Melbourne is most definitely emerging as a destination club. Lewis chose us for a reason and Hibberd chose Melbourne.

Players at clubs know who are emerging. Lever and his manager would be infinitely aware of our list profile.

You may rightly think Lever is a mercenary, but he also wants to join a club that he perceives has a strong chance of success. He'd look at Petracca, Viney, Hunt, Oliver, Salem, Brayshaw, Tyson, Hogan, Gawn and McDonald as the foundations for future success. You're welcome to name North's 25 and under equivalent

I thought Melbourne was the team first round draft picks went, to never reach their potential?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

This guy did say yesterday that Hinkley was going to GC so not sure how reliable he is. Doesn't seem like a knob like the tradewhisperer though, especially since he's bagged Cornes and Rucci.

So in effect we lose Lever for 10 & 18 and Cameron for 27 & 41.

Thoughts?

He also said Crows were going cold on Gibbs as Carlton still want 2 firsts.

Pretty sweet deal for Brisbane. Pick up Charlie Cameron for an 18-27 downgrade.

And slide their 3rd rounder up a fraction on top.

 

[jenny61_99]

Dumb negotiating tactic.

Actually no not really. Start low and negotiate. That's how most negotiations go.