List Mgmt. 2017 Trade and Free Agency Discussion - #Leverpulled and #Harleyrevved

[PerfectFooty]

Ralph started this shit

 

[CWaffles]

LOL

Please link the page.

AFL Trade rumours 2013.

Probably says it all really.

 

[Willo 17]

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Haha where do people come up with this shit, we would be asking for lever and their first for Clayton.

Not even April, what is with this shyte?

 

[cougar000]

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Haha where do people come up with this shit, we would be asking for lever and their first for Clayton.

Must want to get trade done before this weeks game if they meeting with him already what a joke who comes up with this crap.

 

[Cannon82]

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Haha where do people come up with this shit, we would be asking for lever and their first for Clayton.

Would rather keep our second rounder and give them Petracca instead.

 

[Dark Avenger]

If he wanted our or we were pushing probably. Otherwise probably 20-30.

What are the odds that we end up getting something better than Watts with that pick? I'd be mad if we did a deal like that.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

What are the odds that we end up getting something better than Watts with that pick? I'd be mad if we did a deal like that.

The odds are probably quite high

 

[JP2]

The odds are probably quite high

People are grossly underrating Watts and grossly overrating draft picks.

Watts had a bad start to the year (his fault) and a bad finish to the year (not so much his fault) but still finished fifth in this board's voting. People are also forgetting how good he was last year. It's frustrating that he can still be inconsistent after so many years on the list, but when he's been playing well (which is more often than not over the last couple of years) he's a very important part of the team and a potential match winner. With mercurial forwards, you sometimes need to accept the reality of inconsistent output, no matter how hard they're working (though it would be nicer, of course, if we knew Watts was definitely putting in the hard yards).

With draft picks, history shows us that there's very little difference historically between the success rates of a pick in the high 20s and a pick in the mid-40s. If you wouldn't trade Watts for pick 47, then you shouldn't trade him for pick 22 either, because historically pick 47s have actually been more successful. I'll take Watts' half a season of garbage and half a season of brilliance over a kid who has a >50% chance of being delisted before making it to 50 games.

 

[Demon 16]

Watts consistently put up performances that wouldn't warrant a place in a finals 22 after his return from injury this year. There is a bad smell about his lack of intensity and physical commitment. I have him an out for that in his younger years, but he doesn't have an excuse now.

I'm not saying I want to trade him, but he's skating on thin ice from here and shouldn't be shocked if the club entertain offers for him.

 

[00Stinger]

Ralph started this shit

Dont worry that shit stain station had Cooney & Finey saying it was Brayshaw & ANB for Lever

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[00Stinger]

Watts consistently put up performances that wouldn't warrant a place in a finals 22 after his return from injury this year. There is a bad smell about his lack of intensity and physical commitment. I have him an out for that in his younger years, but he doesn't have an excuse now.

I'm not saying I want to trade him, but he's skating on thin ice from here and shouldn't be shocked if the club entertain offers for him.

So 3 bad weeks when he is underdone outweigh 18 quality months?

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[Demon 16]

So 3 bad weeks when he is underdone outweigh 18 quality months?

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I thought he had more than 3 bad weeks this year myself. If I felt it was because he was underdone then I might have more empathy.

But I saw a number of lethargic efforts with no intention of putting his body on the line and that is my main concern.

Most senior AFL players could go out with broken ribs and you'd still know they were prepared to chase, tackle, smother, knock on, spoil and compete.

Look I genuinely love Wattsy and I hope we keep him on, bit if it wouldn't surprise me if Goodwin makes a hard call then it shouldn't surprise him at this stage of his career.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

2008
2 20 Tom Swift Claremont WAFL West Coast
2 21 Hayden Ballantyne Peel Thunder WAFL Fremantle
2 22 Jackson Trengove Calder Cannons TAC Cup Port Adelaide
2 23 David Zaharakis Northern Knights TAC Cup Essendon
2 24 Nick Suban North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Fremantle
2 25 Jack Redden Glenelg SANFL Brisbane Lions
2 26 Jayden Post Western Jets TAC Cup Richmond
2 27 Sam Wright Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup North Melbourne
2 28 Shaun McKernan Calder Cannons TAC Cup Adelaide
2 29 Dayne Beams Southport QAFL Collingwood
2 30 Dan Hannebery Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Sydney

2012
1 20 Tim Broomhead Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL Collingwood Traded by Melbourne, received from Adelaide, Greater Western Sydney uncontracted player compensation pick (Davis)
1 21 Nathan Hrovat Northern Knights TAC Cup Western Bulldogs Traded from Hawthorn
1 22 Dean Towers North Ballarat VFL Sydney
1 23 Marco Paparone East Fremantle WAFL Brisbane Lions Gold Coast uncontracted player compensation pick (Rischitelli)
2 24 Nathan Wright Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup St Kilda Traded from Greater Western Sydney
2 25 Spencer White Western Jets TAC Cup St Kilda Traded from Gold Coast
2 26 Jack Viney Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Melbourne Father-son selection (son of Todd Viney)
2 27 James Stewart Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney Traded by Hawthorn, received from Western Bulldogs
2 28 Tim O'Brien Glenelg SANFL Hawthorn Traded by Greater Western Sydney, received from Port Adelaide
2 29 Tom Clurey Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Port Adelaide Free agency compensation pick (Pearce)
2 30 Mason Shaw South Fremantle WAFL Port Adelaide Free agency compensation pick (Chaplin)

2013
1 20 Jack Leslie Gold Coast Gippsland Power TAC Cup End of first round uncontracted player compensation pick
2 21 Jarman Impey Port Adelaide Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Traded from Greater Western Sydney
2 22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane Lions Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Traded by Greater Western Sydney; received from Melbourne
2 23 Matt Crouch Adelaide North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Traded from Melbourne; free agency compensation pick (Sylvia)
2 24 Billy Hartung Hawthorn Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Traded from St Kilda
2 25 Daniel McStay Brisbane Lions Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Traded from St Kilda; free agency compensation pick (Dal Santo)
2 26 Zach Merrett Essendon Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Traded from Western Bulldogs
2 27 Sean Lemmens Gold Coast Port Adelaide SANFL
2 28 Lewis Taylor Brisbane Lions Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Traded from West Coast
2 29 Rory Lobb Greater Western Sydney Swan Districts WAFL Traded from Brisbane Lions
2 30 Trent Dumont North Melbourne Norwood SANFL

2014
1 20 Jayden Laverde Essendon Western Jets TAC Cup First selection at end of first round due to supplements scandal penalty
1 21 Hugh Goddard St Kilda Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Traded from Geelong; received from Brisbane Lions; received from Greater Western Sydney; received from Gold Coast via a trade in 2012; traded by Brisbane Lions in 2010; Compensation pick from 2010 (Brennan)
2 22 Daniel McKenzie St Kilda Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup
2 23 Pat McKenna Greater Western Sydney Gisborne Bendigo Football League Traded from Melbourne
2 24 Jack Steele Greater Western Sydney Belconnen NEAFL Academy player
2 25 Daniel Nielson North Melbourne Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Traded from Collingwood; received from Brisbane Lions
2 26 Toby McLean Western Bulldogs Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup
2 27 Lukas Webb Western Bulldogs Gippsland Power TAC Cup Free agency compensation pick (Higgins)
2 28 Dillon Viojo-Rainbow Carlton Western Jets TAC Cup
2 29 Touk Miller Gold Coast Calder Cannons TAC Cup
2 30 Brayden Maynard Collingwood Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup

How many of these players would you want ahead of Watts?

 

[JVseven]

Pick 10 and Watts for Lever.

 

[Topkent]

Clearly the watts thing wouldn't be about trading out a player to get great value. It would be about his attitude and the culture. No matter how you try and spin it he is 26 and he's played 1.5 really good years of AFL footy and it has got **** all to do with talent.

The fact he was dropped so publicly in the pre season and then returned so poorly from injury says something about his attitude.

Then for Jonesy to question him on radio? Well when has he ever done that. Watts looks like a bloke who's happy to play OK footy while collecting a pay cheque every week. Live the life and reap the off field benefits. Has he ever come in and done extra sessions? Talked to the media about how he wants to be the best link man in the game?

Not many players his size make it past the age of 30, so he may have only 3 years left it him.. can he really say he would be proud of his career so far?

 

[Demon 16]

I don't think we'll trade him but if we did someone would surely have to offer better than a pick in the 20-30 range.

 

[schmuttt]

Clearly the watts thing wouldn't be about trading out a player to get great value. It would be about his attitude and the culture. No matter how you try and spin it he is 26 and he's played 1.5 really good years of AFL footy and it has got **** all to do with talent.

The fact he was dropped so publicly in the pre season and then returned so poorly from injury says something about his attitude.

Then for Jonesy to question him on radio? Well when has he ever done that. Watts looks like a bloke who's happy to play OK footy while collecting a pay cheque every week. Live the life and reap the off field benefits. Has he ever come in and done extra sessions? Talked to the media about how he wants to be the best link man in the game?

Not many players his size make it past the age of 30, so he may have only 3 years left it him.. can he really say he would be proud of his career so far?

Pretty much this. I mean there is no doubting he is a very talented footballer, he's got elite pace/skills/decision making/goalkicking but is found wanting in a lot of basic areas (Tackling, intensity, overhead marking).

 

[Portstar Johnny]

Poor old Jack Trengove being delisted after everything he's been through for the MFC is the most telling sign of culture killing I've ever seen. Would love to be inside the heads of some of your gun youngsters and hearing what they're REALLY thinking about your "Club".


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[schmuttt]

Poor old Jack Trengove being delisted after everything he's been through for the MFC is the most telling sign of culture killing I've ever seen. Would love to be inside the heads of some of your gun youngsters and hearing what they're REALLY thinking about your "Club".

lol.

 

[Topkent]

Poor old Jack Trengove being delisted after everything he's been through for the MFC is the most telling sign of culture killing I've ever seen. Would love to be inside the heads of some of your gun youngsters and hearing what they're REALLY thinking about your "Club".


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Thats OK maybe you guys can pick him up and turn him into a gun like Toumpas.

 

[Portstar Johnny]

Thats OK maybe you guys can pick him up and turn him into a gun like Toumpas.[/

This isn't about him. It's about poor old Trengove. I agree, we aren't any better with what we've done to our own JT. This is about Clubs being businesses now. They are no longer for we Members. It's now a corporate, culture killing business. If we aren't winning and gaining the corporate dollar, let's cut our loyal, long serving servants for a few ugly dollars. I hate it.


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[Portstar Johnny]

Yeah, I know! I screwed that reply up. Sorry.


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[Topkent]

Yeah, I know! I screwed that reply up. Sorry.


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Your joking right? The blokes played about 5 games in as many years at AFL level. If we hadn't been so loyal we would have cut him 12 months ago but we gave him another year. He is no longer good enough to play AFL and frankly you are embarrassing yourself right now trying to fake out rage on something you know nothing about

 

[LeverPuller]

Poor old Jack Trengove being delisted after everything he's been through for the MFC is the most telling sign of culture killing I've ever seen. Would love to be inside the heads of some of your gun youngsters and hearing what they're REALLY thinking about your "Club".


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Thinly veiled troll. Post again and get a card.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

People are grossly underrating Watts and grossly overrating draft picks.

Watts had a bad start to the year (his fault) and a bad finish to the year (not so much his fault) but still finished fifth in this board's voting. People are also forgetting how good he was last year. It's frustrating that he can still be inconsistent after so many years on the list, but when he's been playing well (which is more often than not over the last couple of years) he's a very important part of the team and a potential match winner. With mercurial forwards, you sometimes need to accept the reality of inconsistent output, no matter how hard they're working (though it would be nicer, of course, if we knew Watts was definitely putting in the hard yards).

With draft picks, history shows us that there's very little difference historically between the success rates of a pick in the high 20s and a pick in the mid-40s. If you wouldn't trade Watts for pick 47, then you shouldn't trade him for pick 22 either, because historically pick 47s have actually been more successful. I'll take Watts' half a season of garbage and half a season of brilliance over a kid who has a >50% chance of being delisted before making it to 50 games.

I remember how good he can be but posting a wall of text won't change the fact that over the course of his whole career he has rarely played at that level.

Even at his best he lacks intensity and aggression for the ball, two traits that are extremely important for finals footy.