I read the news today, oh boy.
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I remember this old saying: Actions speak louder than words.
Our club has done and is doing a lot of good things without beating their chest about it.
Best to keep it that way.....with or without Michael Jamison.
ferrisb
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HOW DARE YOU! Once again, you have missed the issue Shan. You have no right to respond like that. I'm reporting you to the mods and putting you on ignore! You should be ashaned (sic) of yourself!
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HOW DARE YOU! Once again, you have missed the issue Shan. You have no right to respond like that. I'm reporting you to the mods and putting you on ignore! You should be ashaned (sic) of yourself!
#amidoinitrite?
You need to add a bit more of this.......
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The club has no right to represent me, one of its members by picking a side in a yes or no question. The backlash by the SJW who love diversity but not diversity of opinion has been predictable.
They're all stars when they no longer play for us....get with the program!!
ferrisb
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You need to add a bit more of this.......
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On the mad as hell front, I have used that before....
The way I see it is like this: I am FIRMLY in the yes camp. I don't see how a marriage between two consenting adults has any bearing on anyone else's life whatsoever. I have not seen one valid argument against SSM, and most of the arguments involve someone's god, which I don't even believe in, and I don't think should have any influence in a secular society.
However--the more we tell the NO voters or the undecideds that they are homophobic, hateful, bigoted etc, the more firmly they dig their heels in. The only way to change their minds, in my opinion, is to treat them like the adults they are and try to humanise the situation. If that doesn't work, then we need our politicians to do what they were elected to do, and that is make decisions that treat *all* Australian people as humans who are equal under the law, not just the ones they approve of.
We saw in the US election that the more celebrities trotted out by Hillary, the more people were labelled as rednecks and racists, the more underground the Trump voters hid and the more division was created. I'd love to move away from 'us and them' and just be 'humans' but that will never happen while both sides are flinging insults and s**t at each other.
However--the more we tell the NO voters or the undecideds that they are homophobic, hateful, bigoted etc, the more firmly they dig their heels in. The only way to change their minds, in my opinion, is to treat them like the adults they are and try to humanise the situation. If that doesn't work, then we need our politicians to do what they were elected to do, and that is make decisions that treat *all* Australian people as humans who are equal under the law, not just the ones they approve of.
We saw in the US election that the more celebrities trotted out by Hillary, the more people were labelled as rednecks and racists, the more underground the Trump voters hid and the more division was created. I'd love to move away from 'us and them' and just be 'humans' but that will never happen while both sides are flinging insults and s**t at each other.
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This is absolutely spot on.
The thing is, the click-bait headlines, like The Age - "Blues fans angry at SSM view" make it seem like Carlton is in the No camp when if you actually read the statement, it encourages ppl to vote yes without explicitly telling them to do so.
But no it's not good enough is it. Political correctness gone mad.
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That statement was pretty accurate as this is a political issue, not a football one. It is wrong that any club promotes gay marriage. But seriously the chaos this has caused has been absolutely ridiculous, I mean come on you buy a membership to passionately watch a football team play for 23 rounds, these politicly correct people who take to twitter etc to talk about human rights should be ashamed for even bringing up considering they are trying to deny us the most basic human right of all which built our country: Freedom of speech.
Not everyone is going to vote yes, we are all entitled to our opinion on the matter, I hate to think what will happen if Gay marriage doesn't get passed, by the way the 'yes' campaigners are carrying on it looks like they will look to bulldows parliament. If the club doesn't want to support the campaign they are well in their right to do so, but they never even said they were even against it all they said was "
The issue of 'same sex marriage' is essentially one of equality; and so the Club encourages all of its people to have their say in this important national vote.
As a Club, we respect that this is about personal choice, and as such don't intend to campaign on the issue, but we do strongly reinforce our Club's absolute commitment to equality - and a community that is free from any form of discrimination.", what in the hell is wrong with that.
If the yes campaigners think that every Australian sporting organisation and citizen will go out of their way to endorse an issue such as Gay marriage then they are wrong, the world doesn't work like that, most Australians have more important things to worry about and for Carlton, football should be the priority.
Not everyone is going to vote yes, we are all entitled to our opinion on the matter, I hate to think what will happen if Gay marriage doesn't get passed, by the way the 'yes' campaigners are carrying on it looks like they will look to bulldows parliament. If the club doesn't want to support the campaign they are well in their right to do so, but they never even said they were even against it all they said was "
The issue of 'same sex marriage' is essentially one of equality; and so the Club encourages all of its people to have their say in this important national vote.
As a Club, we respect that this is about personal choice, and as such don't intend to campaign on the issue, but we do strongly reinforce our Club's absolute commitment to equality - and a community that is free from any form of discrimination.", what in the hell is wrong with that.
If the yes campaigners think that every Australian sporting organisation and citizen will go out of their way to endorse an issue such as Gay marriage then they are wrong, the world doesn't work like that, most Australians have more important things to worry about and for Carlton, football should be the priority.
ferrisb
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Well said, Mebby.
And may I add.... that's probably the most impressive post I have ever seen from a a pregnant flying vampire pig bat!
That's a good'n MEB.
As with most things it seems, real, informed, opinion shaping debate is stifled...hijacked, by the stupid and sensationalist.
I'd totally vote yes if I believed in marriage and was on the electoral roll. I may have just outed myself Enemy Of The State style...
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Rights are inalienable.
Quaintly condescending of us to presume 'we' are entitled to bestow them to others.
Quaintly condescending of us to presume 'we' are entitled to bestow them to others.
Incidentally, what is the gestation period of a flying vampire bat pig? Seems like MEB has been pregnant going on three years now...
Inalienable. That's a four dollar word right there...
You're ******* telling me!! 5 loooong weeks to go.
I'll start by saying I am firmly in the 'yes' camp. My aunt has been engaged to her partner for years waiting for SSM to come through. So I really cant wait fo hte day I can attend their wedding.
To be honest I don't really see an issue with the clubs statement. They basically said we beleive in equal rights and want to make that public knowledge, but arent going to shove our view down your throat.
The backlash they are receiving is outrageous. People labelling it disgusting are just being rediculous. The clubs statement is so far from disgusting its not funny. Homophobic statements are disgusting.
Personally I see no issue with the statement, but just because of the backlash I wish the club just didnt put any statement out at all.
To be honest I don't really see an issue with the clubs statement. They basically said we beleive in equal rights and want to make that public knowledge, but arent going to shove our view down your throat.
The backlash they are receiving is outrageous. People labelling it disgusting are just being rediculous. The clubs statement is so far from disgusting its not funny. Homophobic statements are disgusting.
Personally I see no issue with the statement, but just because of the backlash I wish the club just didnt put any statement out at all.
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Having a c sectionMrs Lance was 2 weeks over due on both boys.... you may have 7 weeks
For a few extra bucks the obstetrician can make it a CFC section. True story.Having a c section
Jabba73
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Would be one hell of a scar.
They can't win either way.
I voted yes but totally understand Carlton's statement.
They are a footy club not a political party. By blatantly making a statement pushing people to vote yes like some have they would be turning away some of their supporters.
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