Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 3

[Farmer2Goggin]

I honestly think it’s the poor & uneducated population hitting back at the establishment. They believe things can’t get worse for them and had the smallest naive hope that Trump was going to fight for them and shake things up

Trump was just saying the right things at the right time, it was a perfect storm and I doubt he will be voted in again ( if he isn’t impeached/jailed before the next election)

Agree about the “base” of around 30% and there is the Cambridge Analytica ECV strategy which got him over the line
However whilst he lost the popular vote he dominated the white vote across all income categories - something I could very surprising
Will be interesting what the mid terms bring in 2018

 

[Doc_]

Ironic.

Just a question, why would the Chinese ever attack ships full of raw materials for China or full of Chinese exports bound for Australia? Sure they might want to target shipping to Japan and South Korea in the unlikely event those two are ever stupid enough to get into a conflict with the Chinese but that would be the least of our problems in that scenario.

Also, wouldn't they just cut off trade and cripple us economically? Hell they don't even need a military conflict to do that.

Worrying about the threat the Chinese could pose to us is literally worrying about the gate after the horse has bolted. They already have us by the nuts.

The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea. Of that volume, 60 percent of maritime trade passes through Asia, with the South China Sea carrying an estimated one-third of global shipping.

 

[JeffDunne]

The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea. Of that volume, 60 percent of maritime trade passes through Asia, with the South China Sea carrying an estimated one-third of global shipping.

And?

Maybe you could point me to the actions where China has been an impediment to that growth in trade in Asia?

 

[Satan]

Dickstain Donald was the first president since Carter to not visit Canada in their first year in office.

This is his next movie he will watch
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0109370/

 

[Doc_]

Its not just Asia. The Straight of Malacca connects the Pacific and Indian oceans. To get there you need access to the South China Sea.
It is currently international shipping lanes.
Its not just shipping lanes.
The resources of the South China sea are immense.
Also fishing rights for the Philippines, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam.
They are taking the area by force and against international law.
You think building artificial islands as military bases is peaceful?

 

[JeffDunne]

Its not just Asia. The Straight of Malacca connects the Pacific and Indian oceans. To get there you need access to the South China Sea.
It is currently international shipping lanes.
Its not just shipping lanes.
The resources of the South China sea are immense.
Also fishing rights for the Philippines, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

Again I'd ask, "and"?

Most of the countries in that list are hardly saints in regards to recognising sovereign fishing rights. China is no more aggressive than most of those countries in that regard.

Sure the South China Sea is important to international trade. No more so though than it is to China. Other regional powers who also depend critically on trade through the South China Sea like Japan are embracing China's One Belt, One Road policy. What do you know that they don't?

They are taking the area by force and against international law.

Hyperbolic.

You think building artificial islands as military bases is peaceful?

It is if they are there only to protect your economic interests.

Is there any evidence this isn't the case?

 

[FireKrakouer]

How many of you have demanded refunds on your order since finding out the book is a work of fiction? Be honest...

 

[FireKrakouer]

Yuge!

 

[Satan]

How many of you have demanded refunds on your order since finding out the book is a work of fiction? Be honest...

Not everything in the bible is accurate and people still buy it

 

[Royces Hart]

How many of you have demanded refunds on your order since finding out the book is a work of fiction? Be honest...

If only 40% is false/inaccurate, does that invalidate the 60% that is true?

 

[Doc_]

Again I'd ask, "and"?

Most of the countries in that list are hardly saints in regards to recognising sovereign fishing rights. China is no more aggressive than most of those countries in that regard.

Sure the South China Sea is important to international trade. No more so though than it is to China. Other regional powers who also depend critically on trade through the South China Sea like Japan are embracing China's One Belt, One Road policy. What do you know that they don't?


Hyperbolic.


It is if they are there only to protect your economic interests.

Is there any evidence this isn't the case?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...perate-chinas-silk-road-project/#.WlClCFWWasQ
"Abe unveiled the Indo-Pacific policy in August last year apparently to keep China’s growing maritime assertiveness in the East and South China seas in check by stressing the importance of realising maritime order based on the rule of law."

I wouldnt call that embracing China's claims in the South China Sea.

 

[Doc_]

I should have known better than to engage posters in a Trump tanty thread.
Carry on.

 

[PalaceGun]

If only 40% is false/inaccurate, does that invalidate the 60% that is true?

It's all or nothing for most issues with Larry.

I see Larry's gone back up to the dam and filled his ute with water, such valiant fire fighting, a bit embarrassing though, especially the Conan O'Brien tweet.

 

[JeffDunne]

I wouldnt call that embracing China's claims in the South China Sea.

As usual with Trumpians, arguing against a position nobody is making.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Orange snowflake.

He's so sensitive.

He needs an invite to the kkk safe space board

 

[Strange Cat]

He needs an invite to the kkk safe space board

Tempted to have a look there but I don’t want to destroy what little brain cells I have left.

 

[Chicago1]

How many of you have demanded refunds on your order since finding out the book is a work of fiction? Be honest...

I'll trade you my Hillary "H" lapel pin if you get me the book. I'll also throw in that Impeach Trump button. C'mon. Do it!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Tempted to have a look there but I don’t want to destroy what little brain cells I have left.

I stopped reading when the discussion went to the genetic reasons white people are superior

 

[Doc_]

As usual with Trumpians, arguing against a position nobody is making.

How the **** can you call me a Trumpian???
I rarely post on the SRP board for a reason. I do do a lot of lurking though.
I have not stated any political position.
Is it because I called the thread a Trump tanty?
Here is the only other post I have made in this thread.
Yes, I called it a tanty, but with the the number of daily posts and vehement attacks on Trump you cant deny it is anything other than a huge, collective tanty.
Personally, I think Trump is a fruit loop.
The South China Sea stuff was happening long before Trump came to power. I have not seen much change in US policy on the matter since the change of government.

I see the tanty is still running strong.
This vid was posted 7 days ago. I had to scroll through 20 pages to make sure it hasnt been posted already. Thats nuts!

Anyhoo.

I came across this masterpiece I thought some of you might enjoy....

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The force is strong in him.

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[WeetBixKid]

That's a very 20th century view on trade & regional security.

It's cute that people still believe that the Americans somehow act benevolently towards countries like Australia. New Zealand worked out 30 years you could give the USA the middle finger and their interests will still align with your security. Most Australians still naively believe the fantasy that we need to act like a sycophant to repay the Americans for their self-interest. Internationally we are mocked for it. We can thank Howard and his bromance with Bush for that.

We should act in our self interest and we have a strong mutual interest with all ASEAN countries to ensure shipping lanes are secure. In fact the only current threat to that is the USA. China's investment in protecting their shipping lanes poses no threat to us. Americas reaction to it does.

No-one thinks it's benevolence. How many wars have we followed the U.S into that were of absolutely no direct benefit or consequence to us as a nation? Gee I wonder why we seem to keep doing that over and over again. They aren't guaranteeing our maritime trade routes out of benevolence. They get their share back from us

 

[Messenger]

I'm starting to think this book is deliberate 4D chess to make anti-Trumpers look bad?

Two questions:

1. What makes you think there is a cohesive plan (4D chess) in play? Isn't the most likely scenario that the administration is a poorly organised dumpster fire that lurches from issue to issue?
2. What gives you the idea that the entire book is false?

 

[King Brown]

That's a very 20th century view on trade & regional security.

It's cute that people still believe that the Americans somehow act benevolently towards countries like Australia. New Zealand worked out 30 years you could give the USA the middle finger and their interests will still align with your security.

New Zealand worked out they have a double buffer - the USA and Australia. They are a little archipelago slightly north of Antarctica, strategically unimportant who can prosper under the safety of both the US and Australia's greater strength.

 

[King Brown]

I love this guy.