Society/Culture Feminism - 2017 Thread - Pt II

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Only that I have 6 brothers and cousins that WERE Primary School teachers.


Facts, not "blatant bullshit", which seems to be your go to response when you are wrong ie regularly......

Parents, and non supportive headmasters ruined careers.

And in the State system btw, non denominational, bet that hurts KV......

Nope, looks like we have competing anecdotes then.

Are you claiming they were all run out of a job for being male?

 

[Run n Spread]

There is push for more male teachers.

The reason for less male teachers is intimately connected to gender construction. It’s seen as a more nurturing role that is built on personal relationships. It’s a more collaborative occupation, with little room for career advancement. Evidence of this is the lower % of male primary teachers compared to male high school teachers.

Interestingly you will see a higher % of males in leadership positions relative to overall % if staff.

There is no witch hunt of male teachers. That is simply bullshit.

All true. But you have to concede nepotism is huge in that industry. May account

 

[roscreasl98]

Nope, looks like we have competing anecdotes then.

Are you claiming they were all run out of a job for being male?

Correct.
Your finally starting to get some stuff, I like it, surprised, but I like it.

Now, get away from Google, get away from your books, Wikipedia is NOT your friend remember.

You may have potential......

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Correct.
Your finally starting to get some stuff, I like it, surprised, but I like it.

Now, get away from Google, get away from your books, Wikipedia is NOT your friend remember.

You may have potential......

Hang on, they were run of jobs for being male?

 

[roscreasl98]

Hang on, they were run of jobs for being male?

What part of "correct" confused you?

 

[Chubberson]

Actually, on teachers in general being put out of jobs by parents and non supportive principals. I have a story like this that affected a male and female teacher.

My sister who is a volunteer at said school started a petition to have a female teacher removed and it was over surprisingly quickly. Principal caved and she gone and hasn't been able to get a job teaching again. I'd have thought that any principal worth their weight in shit would back her own and perhaps at the bare minimum try some TnD with said teacher.

The male ended up going to professional counselling, had the option to come back but didn't. Piss poor support shown by the principal and yeah my sis well, no comment there I guess.

 

[faible]

As an aside; there appears to have been a swing in the classroom - from the teacher being right, to the child being right.

So in years gone by when the parents would basically have told their children to suck it up and deal with it if they didn’t like their teacher, now it seems that things like the above can occur.

Maybe I’m just getting old though.

 

[Chubberson]

As an aside; there appears to have been a swing in the classroom - from the teacher being right, to the child being right.

So in years gone by when the parents would basically have told their children to suck it up and deal with it if they didn’t like their teacher, now it seems that things like the above can occur.

Maybe I’m just getting old though.

Totally this. A mates missus told the teacher her boys (who are in yr 5) will only be doing 20 mins homework twice a week maximum. Surprise surprise, they've always struggled at school. Teachers shouldn't be held accountable for lazy parenting.

 

[quotemokc]

As an aside; there appears to have been a swing in the classroom - from the teacher being right, to the child being right.

So in years gone by when the parents would basically have told their children to suck it up and deal with it if they didn’t like their teacher, now it seems that things like the above can occur.

Maybe I’m just getting old though.

Thanks to the advent of the internet kids and anyone else for that matter can call people out very quickly and easily.

If a child thinks a teacher or anyone else is wrong about something they should be encouraged to find the right answer. (respectfully of course)

Whilst this isn't a child it is relevant.

http://www.complex.com/life/2018/02/college-professor-fails-student-for-saying-australia-is-country

College Professor Fails Student for Saying Australia Is a Country

 

[faible]

Thanks to the advent of the internet kids and anyone else for that matter can call people out very quickly and easily.

If a child thinks a teacher or anyone else is wrong about something they should be encouraged to find the right answer. (respectfully of course)

Whilst this isn't a child it is relevant.

http://www.complex.com/life/2018/02/college-professor-fails-student-for-saying-australia-is-country

College Professor Fails Student for Saying Australia Is a Country

To clarify I didn’t mean right in terms of correct in an academic sense.

I think it’s quite fair and reasonable for a child to challenge a teacher if what they’re teaching is incorrect.

 

[Chief]

So do you agree it's the same numbers game (in reverse) for STEM occupations? Because I keep hearing its the evil male patriarchy holding women back.

There's a push to get more women into STEM (against their will which amuses me greatly) I don't see government programs aimed at getting more male nurses and teachers.

Against their will.

FFS.

 

[the_interloper]

Here’s where we will disagree. I don’t think unis are political anymore, and the small % of uni students who are, aren’t going on to teachers. The right wingers are progressing to be sycophantic staffers to liberals and lefty kids will progress to eventually trying to punch said right wingers.

I have 3 relatives who are teachers, and it’s a very depoliticised profession. They seem like occupational training grounds, especially now how some are picking up what tafes used to do.

When have you last been to uni? I finished undergrad about 10 years ago, just finished my masters and I reckon it has gotten worse.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

When have you last been to uni? I finished undergrad about 10 years ago, just finished my masters and I reckon it has gotten worse.

Can you explain how?

 

[the_interloper]

Can you explain how?

I should clarify and say my undergrad was mainly technical so not a lot of politics, though the few commerce subjects I did had a sniff of political agendas. I recall one lecturer assuming we all voted Liberal, "of course you do" or something similar. But in my masters (MBA) my first subject was taught by a fairly active feminist and our main project was an industry study chaired by her feminist mate. Being a feminist is fine, don't get me wrong, but we were being asked to study why female entrepreneurs aren't getting funding at the rates that males were. None of this was justified by the way, it was accepted as fact, and a problem we had to solve.

I did consider challenging some sources for all of this, as we need to justify all assertions in our studies, but i really wasn't sure how it would be received. To be honest I just decided to toe the line, get my distinction and get the **** out of there. I did raise one or two uncomfortable points in the group discussions we had, some agreed, some didn't (vehemently), thought it was better to shut my trap. I don't think we were exactly encouraged to be free thinkers put it that way.

And not that I need the help generally, but the women in the course were generally guided more enthusiastically than the blokes. I do recognise that the older ladies teaching the course probably had not many female academic and business role models, and they were probably trying to be that for the girls in the class, but the difference was still pretty glaring.

I even had one teacher from another course talk about how hard studying while working is, showing some empathy for me. Then quickly added "well you are a white male with an engineering degree so you don't need much help!" Um yeah I guess, bit of a weird comment for no reason though.

I just finished my course now, this is one reflection on it. Not meant to be a whinge, I got through it no worries, but yeah, it was an interesting experience that's for sure.

 

[CatFan79]

Against their will.

FFS.

Bit dramatic ok, but the point was made. Which you avoid. Got anything to contribute?

 

[quotemokc]

I should clarify and say my undergrad was mainly technical so not a lot of politics, though the few commerce subjects I did had a sniff of political agendas. I recall one lecturer assuming we all voted Liberal, "of course you do" or something similar. But in my masters (MBA) my first subject was taught by a fairly active feminist and our main project was an industry study chaired by her feminist mate. Being a feminist is fine, don't get me wrong, but we were being asked to study why female entrepreneurs aren't getting funding at the rates that males were. None of this was justified by the way, it was accepted as fact, and a problem we had to solve.

I did consider challenging some sources for all of this, as we need to justify all assertions in our studies, but i really wasn't sure how it would be received. To be honest I just decided to toe the line, get my distinction and get the **** out of there. I did raise one or two uncomfortable points in the group discussions we had, some agreed, some didn't (vehemently), thought it was better to shut my trap. I don't think we were exactly encouraged to be free thinkers put it that way.

And not that I need the help generally, but the women in the course were generally guided more enthusiastically than the blokes. I do recognise that the older ladies teaching the course probably had not many female academic and business role models, and they were probably trying to be that for the girls in the class, but the difference was still pretty glaring.

I even had one teacher from another course talk about how hard studying while working is, showing some empathy for me. Then quickly added "well you are a white male with an engineering degree so you don't need much help!" Um yeah I guess, bit of a weird comment for no reason though.

I just finished my course now, this is one reflection on it. Not meant to be a whinge, I got through it no worries, but yeah, it was an interesting experience that's for sure.

Replace the word "white" with any thing else and they are getting fired

 

[ShanDog]

Thanks to the advent of the internet kids and anyone else for that matter can call people out very quickly and easily.

If a child thinks a teacher or anyone else is wrong about something they should be encouraged to find the right answer. (respectfully of course)

Whilst this isn't a child it is relevant.

http://www.complex.com/life/2018/02/college-professor-fails-student-for-saying-australia-is-country

College Professor Fails Student for Saying Australia Is a Country

That story is ****ing HILARIOUS

 

[Chief]

That story is ******* HILARIOUS

She provided a link to the "About Australia" section of the Australian government website, an exclusive feature that is only unlocked once you beat the final boss of the "So You Want To Be A Country?" video game. (I do not know how countries become countries. I only know Australia is a country.)

Lol


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[Taylor]

Men can't embrace children, men can't pick up a crying child in the street. Our society has built itself up on stranger attack to avoid talking about the family abuse that makes up 90%+ of it.

It sucks but people would rather be safe than sorry about men and their children.

It's unhealthy long term in my opinion

 

[Chief]

Men can't embrace children, men can't pick up a crying child in the street.

Come on. You know that’s a load of shit, right?

I help out at the swimming classes with other Dads at my son’s school. Have done for years.

Never had a sideways glance. The teachers like having us in the pool with the kids. Don’t even have a blue card. Hardly ever remember to even sign in and out.

Who are you listening to?

 

[Taylor]

Come on. You know that’s a load of shit, right?

I help out at the swimming classes with other Dads at my son’s school. Have done for years.

Never had a sideways glance. The teachers like having us in the pool with the kids. Don’t even have a blue card. Hardly ever remember to even sign in and out.

Who are you listening to?

The mothers

 

[Chief]

The mothers

I can say in my experience that is rubbish.

If they are saying that, their words and their actions do not align in my experience.

 

[Proud SJW]

I help out at the swimming classes with other Dads at my son’s school. Have done for years.

So, they know you then. As a parent if nothing else.

I think Taylor was referring more to the attitude toward strangers seen in a street leading a crying child or the like, not known parents helping swimming classes.
You can't deny there is a heightened vigilance.

 

[Taylor]

These could all be the same group who don't vaccinate their children who crusade to defend children in the street but it definitely happens.

 

[Chief]

So, they know you then. As a parent if nothing else.

I think Taylor was referring more to the attitude toward strangers seen in a street leading a crying child or the like, not known parents helping swimming classes.
You can't deny there is a heightened vigilance.

Not really - there were few mums that come along every week but that’s changed the last couple of years. And of course they didn’t know me on day one.

As for heightened vigilance you can sometimes see accessibility bias as we get more news of horrible events from across the world. In fact our kids are safer than ever.

What this has to do with feminism, someone will have to walk me back through the connection.