Still think they are rebuilding and will need their engine room depth/quality upped and some young and fresh pace to the side. They might not be too far away, see what comes through. Think Rioli, Mitchell and O'Meara will need a big season.
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Yeah, I think I've already told you that your pretty clueless about this caper.
Where are your developing key defenders?
Yes, while at the same time telling us how Gunston was playing as a key defender in the backline. What you lack in knowledge you make up for with the lols. BTW, I'm no spelling bee winner myself, but you also misspelt 'you're' last time you called me clueless.
Given you've proven you can't tell the difference between a key defender and a half back flanker, I don't see much point in discussing this with you, but if you really want to know, Brand is probably our first in line as developing key defender. Conor Nash looks like he might be developed as a KPD, but hasn't played outside of AFLX (where he was our leading possession getter in the grand final). Has been named as emergency for the first JLT game. Heatherley has perhaps fallen somewhat out of favour after Brand's progress in 2017, but he's another. Tim O'Brien appears to have been named at full back for our first JLT game, so he should probably be considered in the mix for developing KPDs, but you probably see this versatility as a knock on our KPD stocks, given you don't seem to rate players who can be useful in multiple positions. Personally I find this odd when Kangaroos have so many players who are not even useful in one position.
Let me guess... The Hawks are in deep s**t and will overtaken by the up 'n' coming Kangas before too long?You don't have to waste your time replying to me son.
Let me guess... The Hawks are in deep s**t and will overtaken by the up 'n' coming Kangas before too long?
Should be fun times ahead then for all you Hawk-bashersWe have hit the bottom. Hawthorn hasn't.
Maybe not i guess time will tell.We have hit the bottom. Hawthorn hasn't.
Hawk Basher (slang) : The telling of uncomfortable truths about the Hawthorn F.C.
Weren't you the guy who (under another nic back in 2007) used to post about how overrated Sam Mitchell was and not as good as Daniel Harris ?
If you think Hawthorn will finish on the bottom, then you should plonk all of your hard-earned money on us to win the spoonHawk Basher (slang) : The telling of uncomfortable truths about the Hawthorn F.C.
This just reminds me of the conjecture about who was under more pressure, Collingwood or Richmond after Richmond finished 13th.
Dusty was going to leave, Richmond were going to sack their coach, the world was going to fall apart. Memberships microwaved etc.
What happened? Richmond won the premiership. BigFooty 100% incorrect, as always.
We have hit the bottom. Hawthorn hasn't.
Still think they are rebuilding and will need their engine room depth/quality upped and some young and fresh pace to the side. They might not be too far away, see what comes through. Think Rioli, Mitchell and O'Meara will need a big season.
You've also got to factor in the bookies ALWAYS keeping Collingwood well under their true odds in futures betting markets. That's a given.'The bottom' and bottom of the ladder aren't the same thing. They can be, but they don't have to be.
Judging by those odds above the bookies expect Hawthorn to finish 12th or 13th. The same site has them $2.25 to make the 8 and 12th listed on the line of betting. Clearly Sportsbet aren't aware of the fabled 18 game streak of 2017. An easy way to double your money for anyone confident the Hawks will make the 8. No chance they win fewer games then all the teams quoted in single digits for least (fewest) wins.
I love that you think you’ve hit bottom. Could be a nasty surprise in store for you this year.
$4.00_North Melb
$21.00 Hawthorn
We have hit the bottom. Hawthorn hasn't.
Oh mate, you think that where the bookies think we will finish means anything? Come on... That is a very weak argument.'The bottom' and bottom of the ladder aren't the same thing. They can be, but they don't have to be.
Judging by those odds above the bookies expect Hawthorn to finish 12th or 13th. The same site has them $2.25 to make the 8 and 12th listed on the line of betting. Clearly Sportsbet aren't aware of the fabled 18 game streak of 2017. An easy way to double your money for anyone confident the Hawks will make the 8. No chance they win fewer games then all the teams quoted in single digits for least (fewest) wins.
You've also got to factor in the bookies ALWAYS keeping Collingwood well under their true odds in futures betting markets. That's a given.
I accept there is a general air of pessimism about Hawthorn with the departures of Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis and Gibson since 2016 and the general feeling that their time is well and truly over, therefore it's about time they nosedived towards the bottom four. It's selling short what they achieved last year with a big injury list and a horror 0-4 / 1-5 start. Seems like people are dismissing the actual evidence of last year's results and just parroting the half-baked notion they're a team in decline.
Meanwhile clubs such as Essendon, Melbourne, St Kilda, Port and the Bulldogs are considered by their own fans to be young teams of destiny on the up and up. Aside from the Bulldogs amazing finals form in 2016, none of them have really done much to suggest they'll be that much better than the Hawks in 2018. It's just perception. You could probably chuck West Coast into the mix with those others as well.
In some ways I think it would be better for Hawthorn to fall to near the bottom of the ladder for a few years, just so they can get access to some top of the line kids in the next few drafts. Teams like North Melbourne and Essendon know what it is like to be a team that is stuck in the 7th to 12th range, as they don't tend to get worse, but they don't get better either. They just seem to hover in that range because they are not good enough for a premiership, but too good for the really good draft picks. Hawthorn's 4 premierships were built off a few years at the bottom of the ladder where they did some excellent drafting.
Still, if any team can break out of that range and into the top 4 again really quickly it is the Hawks.
Yea but you have to ask where the improvement is going to come from as well. Will they go backwards? Maybe not, but they were also one loss in round 23 away from the wooden spoon so that isn't saying much.Why are North going to go further backwards? 6 wins last year and already a bottom 4 side.
Syd Barker Medal Top 10:
Shaun Higgins 217 (30 this year)
Ben Cunnington 211 (27)
Ben Brown 209 (26)
Robbie Tarrant 204 (29)
Luke McDonald 192 (23)
Jack Ziebell 161 (27)
Sam Gibson 161 (32, de-listed)
Taylor Garner 134 (24)
Scott Thompson 126 (32)
Shaun Atley 125 (26)
Half their 2016 EF side is already gone. They've had their pain in that regard. Already going to be fielding a 1500-2000 game team.