Society/Culture Nobody has anything new to say about God.

[Total Power]

I don't give a seconds thought to the veracity of eastern mythology. That is why is called mythology.
It's Turtle all the way down....

Mythologies are not fairy tales, atleast try to learn before making ignorant statements, myths can contain profound truths without it being historically accrurate. I dont even have to dig deeper but from wiki:

Mythology refers variously to the collected myths of a group of people[1] or to the study of such myths.[2]

A folklore genre, myth is a feature of every culture. Many sources for myths have been proposed, ranging from personification of nature or personification of natural phenomena, to truthful or hyperbolic accounts of historical events to explanations of existing rituals. A culture's collective mythology helps convey belonging, shared and religious experiences, behavioral models, and moral and practical lessons.

Recent approaches often view myths as manifestations of psychological, cultural, or societal truths, rather than as inaccurate historical accounts.








There was no wikipedia back then, myth was used to propagate truths, its found in every single culture.

 

[Total Power]

Where in the non existant creator of the universe is that from?
We’ll take the agnostics,the nons,the don’t knows and others!
We’re still the majority and rising the world over,even the fast breeding Muslims moving to the West are finding it difficult to keep their kids believing in their “special” brand of stupid over reason!
Yeah the majority!

Religion has devolved too, its those devolved shells of religion that atheists prey on. Someone quoted Feynman here as a defense of atheism, he forgot to mention Feynman often bagged the god of religion, aka Christian god just like Einstein did, aka personal god. Dismissing spirituality is like dismissing science.

And your question doesn't make any sense: Why would we presume that we know how a divine being who exists outside of space and time would choose to create the universe? The universe is governed by precise, mathematical laws. The material reality we observe - the vastness, the complexity, the order and the emergence of rational life on Earth - are all the results of those general laws. Rather than psychoanalize God with the assumption that God would think and act as a human being and would want to magically "****" mankind into existence, we should infer that the Creator infused abstract, intelligible, and elegant laws into matter and then allowed nature to take its course rather than endlessly and supernaturally tinker with His handiwork.

 

[Total Power]

There you go with your light smattering of the obscure musings of hand selected physicists again.

Produce a solid body of contemporary scientists that confirm your universal consciousness dogma. I'm not talking about a mere scattering of maverick theoretical physicists and their way out mathematical models. I am referring to a broad selection of empirical scientific disciplines with a significant consensus.

I have quoted a "peer reviewed" neuroscience journal linking our brain with the cosmos, i have quoted a nobel prize wining physicist linking our consciousness with the universe. If that doesn't satisfy you nothing will, on the other hand please quote scientific consensus of consciousness being local, thanks. If you cannot, then you cannot ask for scientific consensus for non-locality.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

No properties of such a thing has ever been measured by science.

Therefore, at this point in time, it isn't there.

Yeh but I wasn’t the one saying our existence doesn’t rely on any/ a/ some creator ...if the statement had have been ‘our existence doesn’t rely on belief in a creator ‘ then I wouldn’t have responded.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I have quoted a "peer reviewed" neuroscience journal linking our brain with the cosmos, i have quoted a nobel prize wining physicist linking our consciousness with the universe. If that doesn't satisfy you nothing will, on the other hand please quote scientific consensus of consciousness being local, thanks. If you cannot, then you cannot ask for scientific consensus for non-locality.

Two people.

It's fair to claim that your views aren't overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community.

 

[Total Power]

Two people.

It's fair to claim that your views aren't overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community.

Does "peer review" committee sounds like " 2 people" to you dumbo? LOL look no further! and it's not two people click my article above, its shared by a lot of physicist like John Wheeler too.

on the other hand i am waiting for consensus on locality. Since you are asking consensus of non-locality, i assume there must be one for the opposite?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Does "peer review" committee sounds like " 2 people" to you dumbo? LOL look no further! and it's not two people click my article above, its shared by a lot of physicist like John Wheeler too.

on the other hand i am waiting for consensus on locality. Since you are asking consensus of non-locality, i assume there must be one for the opposite?

Still got nothing?

 

[Total Power]

Still got nothing?

There is lot of science around about what i am saying Snakey boy, i posted enough evidence! since you are claiming that my science is apparently wrong, you must have evidence? so my evidence stands till you provide peer reviewed studies proving these studies wrong.

Off you go.

 

[Snake_Baker]

There is lot of science around about what i am saying Snakey boy, i posted enough evidence! since you are claiming that my science is apparently wrong, you must have evidence? so my evidence stands till you provide peer reviewed studies proving these studies wrong.

Off you go.

I tell you what I'll do for you sport.

I am going to collect some of your more wackier bullshit and send it off to be "peer reviewed"

You can then stand up in public and declare loudly to the world that you are the holder of a "peer reviewed" paper on quantum physics.

Just make sure you don't let anyone read it.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Here's my "peer reviewed" response. Coincidentally, it happens to be about your particular specialty.

An In-Depth Analysis of a Piece of Shit: Distribution of Schistosoma mansoni and Hookworm Eggs in Human Stool

Stefanie J. Krauth,Jean T. Coulibaly,Stefanie Knopp,Mahamadou Traoré,Eliézer K. N'Goran,Jürg Utzinger

Published: December 20, 2012 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pntd.0001969

 

[Total Power]

I tell you what I'll do for you sport.

I am going to collect some of your more wackier bullshit and send it off to be "peer reviewed"

You can then stand up in public and declare loudly to the world that you are the holder of a "peer reviewed" paper on quantum physics.

Just make sure you don't let anyone read it.

So i asked you to do 2 things

1. Provide peer reviewed evidence of locality and scientific consensus on locality.
2. Provide evidence that non-locality studies are false


You have failed to do both, yet keeps asking for consensus of non-locality. Calling you a troll would be an understatement.

I provided evidence backing my statements with several peer reviewed paper on non-locality. SEVERAL! you can try by posting ONE, maybe???

 

[Total Power]

Here's my "peer reviewed" response. Coincidentally, it happens to be about your particular specialty.

An In-Depth Analysis of a Piece of Shit: Distribution of Schistosoma mansoni and Hookworm Eggs in Human Stool

Stefanie J. Krauth,Jean T. Coulibaly,Stefanie Knopp,Mahamadou Traoré,Eliézer K. N'Goran,Jürg Utzinger

Published: December 20, 2012 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pntd.0001969

How awesome, got any on diarrhea or cholera you are on fire. You are a fraud! you never provide any answers, but demand the same from others , ffs provide evidence of scientific consensus on locality, since you demand one of non-locality from me

 

[chelseacarlton]

Lol

 

[chelseacarlton]

Religion has devolved too, its those devolved shells of religion that atheists prey on. Someone quoted Feynman here as a defense of atheism, he forgot to mention Feynman often bagged the god of religion, aka Christian god just like Einstein did, aka personal god. Dismissing spirituality is like dismissing science.

And your question doesn't make any sense: Why would we presume that we know how a divine being who exists outside of space and time would choose to create the universe? The universe is governed by precise, mathematical laws. The material reality we observe - the vastness, the complexity, the order and the emergence of rational life on Earth - are all the results of those general laws. Rather than psychoanalize God with the assumption that God would think and act as a human being and would want to magically "****" mankind into existence, we should infer that the Creator infused abstract, intelligible, and elegant laws into matter and then allowed nature to take its course rather than endlessly and supernaturally tinker with His handiwork.

Dude I’m a spiritual ist to a certain extent!
There is no supernatural force in the universe!
I believe in the force of love and the connection between family lines,the loyalty between friends and tribes,the solidarity in humanity,the universal power that those that wish to explore the material world into the stars and beyond is more than the ones that wish to destroy everything we’ve achieved because they believe their prophet is the light and the way and the truth!
I’m a star man,I thought I’d explained as much.
We are made of stars and as such we owe it to them to colonise their home planets and see where the cards fall.
If that means that we must destroy those that wish to destroy this path,then so be it,we will send them to their makers!

I’m a realist!

 

[Total Power]

Dude I’m a spiritual ist to a certain extent!
There is no supernatural force in the universe!
I believe in the force of love and the connection between family lines,the loyalty between friends and tribes,the solidarity in humanity,the universal power that those that wish to explore the material world into the stars and beyond is more than the ones that wish to destroy everything we’ve achieved because they believe their prophet is the light and the way and the truth!
I’m a star man,I thought I’d explained as much.
We are made of stars and as such we owe it to them to colonise their home planets and see where the cards fall.
If that means that we must destroy those that wish to destroy this path,then so be it,we will send them to their makers!

I’m a realist!

How would you know there is no "super natural" force in the universe? the fact that we are struggling to define consciousness and scientistis are looking at explanations outside human realm but you have concluded there is no supernatural force, that is worse than a belief in christian god, no scientist would ever EVER say anything like that. The mathematical laws that guides our universe is just a result of accident, well ok, but that doesnt need belief, at all? yet the discovery of several dimensions havent taught atheists anything, other dimensions EXIST, although you cant see or feel them. But since we can't see or feel them they must not exist? that is worse than any religious belief, Yet we think we know a lot, from our 3 dimensional point of view when we are struggling to understand ourselves directly.

As Bohrs said, if you cannnot separate consciousness from the human brain you cannot start seeing the truth, that's why there has been no major breakthrough in understanding the brain, until recently where non-locality is being researched.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Stick with me TP. Your pearls of wisdom deserved to be heard by the world and I am the man to make that happen.

I have started knocking your thesis together and I should have the rest in place and before the chairs of MIT, Oxford, Cambridge etc., in no time.

Atoms are conscious, but it doesn't mean they can dream of having sex with another atom

by T. Power


Introduction

When you measure the atoms location by making it interact with a suitably chosen classical object or instrument, the atom will have a location (a location eigenstate). The probability of finding the atom at any specific location will depend on the state of the atom prior to this measurement. But when you actually measure it, the atom is, as always, at one and only one well-defined location and the atom 'realises' it’s been observed. It’s been written some 5,000 years ago. I cannot tell you anything more than that as i simply don't know. I know very little, next to nothing. QM has a long way to go, we have just discovered the notion of 'awareness' so far, but in higher realms objects behave very differently. Imagine how weird the quantum world, now multiple that by a million times.

In the ninth dimension, we can compare all the possible universe histories, starting with all the different possible laws of physics and initial conditions. In the tenth and final dimension, we arrive at the point in which everything possible and imaginable is covered. Beyond this, nothing can be imagined by us lowly mortals, which makes it the natural limitation of what we can conceive in terms of dimensions.

The aim of this paper is to establish that atoms are conscious, but it doesn't mean they can dream of having sex with another atom.

Materials and methods

Results

Discussion

References

 

[Total Power]

Holy crap, so we have moved from non-locality of consciousness to atoms now??? you move goalposts quicker than anyone! Well done in atleast conceding the point that there is no scientific consensus on locality.

and yes atoms are conscious, and atoms don't have a dick, thanks for telling me that! atleast you conceded atoms are conscious, great start snakey

 

[chelseacarlton]

How would you know there is no "super natural" force in the universe? the fact that we are struggling to define consciousness and scientistis are looking at explanations outside human realm but you have concluded there is no supernatural force, that is worse than a belief in christian god, no scientist would ever EVER say anything like that. The mathematical laws that guides our universe is just a result of accident, well ok, but that doesnt need belief, at all? yet the discovery of several dimensions havent taught atheists anything, other dimensions EXIST, although you cant see or feel them. But since we can't see or feel them they must not exist? that is worse than any religious belief, Yet we think we know a lot, from our 3 dimensional point of view when we are struggling to understand ourselves directly.

As Bohrs said, if you cannnot separate consciousness from the human brain you cannot start seeing the truth, that's why there has been no major breakthrough in understanding the brain, until recently where non-locality is being researched.

Yeeeeeees,the 12 or so dimensions postulated do not give rise to the supernatural!
If we can achieve the knowledge to interact with them then they become natural!
I didn’t say that the laws guiding this universe or the laws divining the higher planes of conciousness or dimensions, or multi verse are by accident!
I just don’t believe that there is a “solitary” guiding force force governing all.
Maybe it’s a collective,a tribe,a consensus in the nexus!
Maybe we all guide the way,maybe we are the makers,maybe we are one,maybe we are the result of a ******ed experience and experiment performed by accident without the regulations and controls needed to make perfection.
My fight is with those that choose to fulfil prophecy from demented tribes from the Mid East!
You know this,I have no clue,just like every other human on the planet and every one that has drawn breath in this reality,including those that were nailed to a cross(lol),talked to Jewish angels in a cave and those that started this whole stupid tribal warfare,Judaism.
My fight is to seek a path that we leave this planet and colonise the universe,in this dimension and this conciousness,before we retrograde to others!
I am a humanist and I love my home planet and I want the best for us,the same could not be said of those that seek War between the tribes!
None have come to unite the tribes,not yet,some speak as though this could happen,Elon Musk,Stephen Hawking,people of this ilk,want to drive us forward,I support this and won’t relinquish my spirit to those that wish to put a leash on the investigation and adventurous spirit of the human condition!

 

[Total Power]

Yeeeeeees,the 12 or so dimensions postulated do not give rise to the supernatural!
If we can achieve the knowledge to interact with them then they become natural!
I didn’t say that the laws guiding this universe or the laws divining the higher planes of conciousness or dimensions, or multi verse are by accident!
I just don’t believe that there is a “solitary” guiding force force governing all.
Maybe it’s a collective,a tribe,a consensus in the nexus!
Maybe we all guide the way,maybe we are the makers,maybe we are one,maybe we are the result of a ******ed experience and experiment performed by accident without the regulations and controls needed to make perfection.
My fight is with those that choose to fulfil prophecy from demented tribes from the Mid East!
You know this,I have no clue,just like every other human on the planet and every one that has drawn breath in this reality,including those that were nailed to a cross(lol),talked to Jewish angels in a cave and those that started this whole stupid tribal warfare,Judaism.
My fight is to seek a path that we leave this planet and colonise the universe,in this dimension and this conciousness,before we retrograde to others!
I am a humanist and I love my home planet and I want the best for us,the same could not be said of those that seek War between the tribes!
None have come to unite the tribes,not yet,some speak as though this could happen,Elon Musk,Stephen Hawking,people of this ilk,want to drive us forward,I support this and won’t relinquish my spirit to those that wish to put a leash on the investigation and adventurous spirit of the human condition!

You missed the whole point, its not whether you believe there is a super natural or not, the fact that there are forces like realms or dimensions that is beyond our five senses and seems to exist goes to show that there are things which exist beyond our 5 primary senses. You do not know what's there is the 12th dimension. Scientists have speculated that a 12th dimensional being might be invisible completely, we do not know that! but we can still speculate cause these realms exist! these religion spoke about other realms for thousands of years and yet it was ridiculed by atheists. Its the same thing! when scientists talk about the simulation theory people take them seriously, yet that is not "super natural" at all is it? to be in a computer simulation where nothing is real? face it mate, super natural explanations coming from scientists are quickly gobbled up by atheists with little or no evidence behind it. Its the same as any organised religion.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Holy crap, so we have moved from non-locality of consciousness to atoms now??? you move goalposts quicker than anyone! Well done in atleast conceding the point that there is no scientific consensus on locality.

and yes atoms are conscious, and atoms don't have a dick, thanks for telling me that! atleast you conceded atoms are conscious, great start snakey

I owe it all to you champ.

This paper will have only your direct quotes and then it will be PEER REVIEWED

 

[Total Power]

I owe it all to you champ.

This paper will have only your direct quotes and then it will be PEER REVIEWED

Deflect deflect deflect, you ask for consensus from me, when there is no scentific consensus in this field of study at all! either ways! you lose! now jog along!

 

[Total Power]

 

[chelseacarlton]

You missed the whole point, its not whether you believe there is a super natural or not, the fact that there are forces like realms or dimensions that is beyond our five senses and seems to exist goes to show that there are things which exist beyond our 5 primary senses. You do not know what's there is the 12th dimension. Scientists have speculated that a 12th dimensional being might be invisible completely, we do not know that! but we can still speculate cause these realms exist! these religion spoke about other realms for thousands of years and yet it was ridiculed by atheists. Its the same thing! when scientists talk about the simulation theory people take them seriously, yet that is not "super natural" at all is it? to be in a computer simulation where nothing is real? face it mate, super natural explanations coming from scientists are quickly gobbled up by atheists with little or no evidence behind it. Its the same as any organised religion.

No I did not friend!
I’m not an atheist,I’m an anti theist.
There is a big fukcing difference!
Although I agree with the atheist approach,because there is no evidence for a supreme/divine/first cause/creator,none nada zilcho nein nope sorry!
Yes,thousands of years ago,volcanos were the work of the prime mover,crops would not yield because some bloke rooted another bloke,famine,pestilence,starvation,disease and war were the work of the one or many governing forces that hated us!
For whatever reason!
You’re confusing me with someone else now bud,I’m open to all,but not any way the scribes of the past 3000 years or so!
They can die a horrible shit death,painful if possible,spirituality and the transcendent does not belong to them!
It is ours,and if your knowledge of the transcendent can be taught to our children instead of the current binary hateful middle eastern method that pervades our world,I’ll back you and speak up for you!
We are heading toward a theocratic plutocracy and I want their heads on a stick,for the sake of my children and theirs!

 

[Snake_Baker]

Deflect deflect deflect, you ask for consensus from me, when there is no scentific consensus in this field of study at all! either ways! you lose! now jog along!

That's definitely going in your paper!

 

[Total Power]

Although I agree with the atheist approach,because there is no evidence for a supreme/divine/first cause/creator,none nada zilcho nein nope sorry!

See this is where i disagree, how can you agree with the atheist approach? if god is outside of space-time which by the very definition of it is, but you want to quantify both consciousness and god in "material" terms? Evidence is subjective in nature, if you want to define god in terms of science you won't find it, cause you have to realise we are finite beings restricted to the laws of nature. If we can't even define ourselves how do you expect to define something that's outside of space/time? The atheist approach is ridiculous, everything is an accident, the laws of nature and mathematics exist just by accident. Nothing formed everything and arranged itself in perfect harmony, just accident. This requires belief as well. When physicists form their theories it requires faith too, look at the constants they assume. That requires faith. If those constants change the variables fall apart. What i am trying to say there is nothing logical about the atheist approach, better find your own truth yourself, but if you are trying to find consciousness under a microscope you wont mind any ole mate, by definition its NOT material, hence there is no point.