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List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)
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Is it not expressly inferred from the 30 odd posts I made afterwards where I clearly stated (repeatedly and forcefully) it was picks [3 and 16]for 2 and not [7, McCarthy and 16 for 2]?
Arrow and I haven't been arguing whether it was 3 and 7 and McCarthy and 16 for pick 2 (or not). The argument for the last few hours is being whether it was 3 and 16 or 7, McCarthy and 16 for pick 2.
For the avoidance of any doubt going forwards I expressly repudiate my earlier memory that it was 3 and 7 and 16. Like I have been arguing for the past hour or two in my view it was 3 and 16 for 2. Arrow holds a more holistic view of the entire trade period.
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Great now look at the next 50 posts.
I thought it was fairly clear from those 50 posts I refined my argument to be picks 3 and 16 for 2 as opposed to Arrows arguments of picks 7, McCarthy and 16 for 2.
We haven't been arguing about what you think we've been arguing about. And in any event we stopped arguing about it.
Again my argument has been that GWS traded 3 and 16 for pick 2 and a bunch of later picks. Arrow has been arguing it was 7, McCarthy and 16 for pick two. For your sake and as you didn't quite follow the entire argument I expressly repudiate and retract a statement made initially that it was picks 3, 7 and 16. I thought that was fairly clear because I dropped the 7 from my argument quite some time ago.
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I rarely see you actually contribute to a discussion, rather you just keep trying to stir people up...
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And what's your problem?
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I can't blame you for being annoyed at me. I've already proven you wrong 3 times this month
I can't blame you for being annoyed at me. I've already proven you wrong 3 times this month
therein lies your MO. I’m wrong a lot. Not a problem and no issue if someone proves me wrong and I try and respect others opinions. I’m about discussing Carlton with Carlton supporters. I enjoy that You’re purely about being right or wrong and getting one up on posters
Your above attack on Prince Charles is a classic example and unnecessary
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Runs on the board. For too long we’ve gone the kid inthe TAC cup that has exposure v 17/18 year olds but lukosius has been playing seniors against men in the toughest spot to play he’s still lacking size and he’s proven he can play without the zoning regulations in the TAC cup. Players like max and Ben king get 1 on 1 ones but lukosius gets third man ups and loose defenders in front and crowded spaces against mature bodies. Players like SPP enter the afl ready for afl level players and systems. To an extent rozzee and rankine have hadexposure at this level too. It would be nice to see some of our vic kids getting games at vfl level I suppose that’s the purpose of the 23rd man.
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therein lies your MO. I’m wrong a lot. Not a problem and no issue if someone proves me wrong. I’m about discussing Carlton with Carlton supporters. I enjoy that
You’re purely about being right or wrong and getting one up on posters
Your above attack on Prince Charles is a classic example and unnecessary
About as necessary as him calling me obnoxious and saying I don't need qualifications to post on here?
Keep cherry picking it's fine by me.
And I'm not about right v wrong at all. Lol. When I'm wrong I admit it. Just like I did re Levi in the Pies game for example. Or not being so strongly on the side of drafting the best mid after reading Arr0w's views on Lukosius.
The problem is you bragged about blocking me after a harmless discussion about whether McKay was ready for AFL or not.
Anyway, I'm not interested in having these tit-for-tat posts with you any longer.
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I would stay away from the King twins. From what I've seen they're good marks but are average kicks. Ben is more of an intercept defender which we already have and max looks good, but he's generally matched up against guys who are 10cm shorter than him.
Lukocious for me (as long as he's ok leaving sa) or a mid.
Lukocious for me (as long as he's ok leaving sa) or a mid.
Problem? PLEASE show me where I bragged about blocking you
. C'mon BF, if you make an accusation at least back it up with some proof. You need to ease up and stop blaming everyone else
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I can't decide between Luko, Rankine or Walsh. I think at the moment i'm leaning towards Luko, with Walsh not that far behind him.
7 goals from Ben, not bad for an intercept defender
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Its going to be a long year comparing them... And for what its worth i dont think we will finish last and have the #1 pick so it might not even matter.
But looking at Lukocios v Rankine, if both reach the absolute peak of where we currently expect they could reach then you have Nick Riewoldt & Dustin Martin.. Right now if you could have only one of these players at there peak who do you take?? For me its Dusty.. But would happily have Roo.
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Sure is.
Nice to have faith in SOS that he will choose the right one.
Cannot wait for the champs this year.
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And if we factor in live trading of picks this year. Draft night will be must see tv.
In what universe does trading #1 actually look like a good idea ??
Have a serious read of the draft bios & expert comments that are starting to pop up, this Lukosius chap is clearly a one-off that just cannot be overlooked. He's not doing it against other U/18 players either, he is already playing SANFL seniors and doing really well.
When was the only time a club traded #1 ?? It was way back in 2001 (?) when Freo did the trade for Croad & McPharlin from the Hawks, at the draft Luke Hodge got taken with that pick and we all know how that played out.
How did we go the last time we traded our first round pick ?? #7 for Whiley, Jacksh & #19 saw us miss out on Peter Wright who right now would be a huge bonus in our forwardline.
All of the clubs know now how good this upcoming draft pool is, it's not like there is some secret info out there. The clubs who will have the high end draft picks will be the clubs who are in genuine need of serious talent so they will not be trading away any first-round picks unless there is a completely ridiculous offer made (eg. two decent young players & three other draft picks in the top 20).
If we have #1, we will be grabbing Lukosius, anything less than that is sheer madness.
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I am a HUGE fan of Lukosius, but there is always a price where you would consider a deal.
You don't go out looking to trade pick 1, but if a desperate team comes knocking with an offer too good to refuse, you listen, then squeeze their arm further, then listen some more....
Shane Nelson for West Perth
47 disposals . 24 yo.
Not very big but Faster than graham, better skills than Kerridge. Brave and an elite runner. Would be a terrific example in hard work for a young midfield in the magoos and could pinch hit in the firsts if needed.
Meanwhile we have loaded up with 3 delisted HBF spuds .
47 disposals . 24 yo.
Not very big but Faster than graham, better skills than Kerridge. Brave and an elite runner. Would be a terrific example in hard work for a young midfield in the magoos and could pinch hit in the firsts if needed.
Meanwhile we have loaded up with 3 delisted HBF spuds .
Midfielders midfielders midfielders thanks.
Big bodied inside mids.
Skilful outside mids.
Goal kicking mids.
Plus BSOS.
Thanks.
Big bodied inside mids.
Skilful outside mids.
Goal kicking mids.
Plus BSOS.
Thanks.
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