Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 3

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https://nypost.com/2019/02/20/numbe...ts-all-time-high-and-trump-to-blame-watchdog/

https://nypost.com/2019/02/20/numbe...ts-all-time-high-and-trump-to-blame-watchdog/

When we view political correctness in the frame of competing values, so the equality, care and plurality associated with "PC culture" and the alternative, pride in the millitary, veneration of white conservative values, nationalist appeals to the flag, demonisation of Marxist or left politics as fundamentally at odds with Western civilization, it's easy to see which perspective is resulting in am increase in harm and violence.

Have you seen this one:

D.C. “Antifa Leader” Is Third Man Charged in Marine Attack in Philadelphia

It has been more than two months since two United States Marines said they were assaulted in Philadelphia by a “mob” just blocks from the controversial We the People Rally, and now a third man has been charged in the attack.​

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The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office has charged 37-year-old Washington, D.C., resident Joseph Alcoff with aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, and conspiracy — all felonies — among other charges. He has pleaded not guilty and is currently out on bail.​

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/

Beating someone up while yelling ethnic slurs seems very anti-fascist!

 

[Craven Morehead]

That's the point though, it's a very minor little thing that people are getting upset about. All of society isn't being inconvenienced, it's just a few airline staff who are being asked to consider using a couple of different words

It's a directive from within one of the biggest and most iconic company's in this country.

 

[its free real estate]

it's just a few airline staff

26,000 people

 

[Father Jack]

It's a directive from within one of the biggest and most iconic company's in this country.

and that makes them 'all of society' how?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Have you seen this one:

D.C. “Antifa Leader” Is Third Man Charged in Marine Attack in Philadelphia

It has been more than two months since two United States Marines said they were assaulted in Philadelphia by a “mob” just blocks from the controversial We the People Rally, and now a third man has been charged in the attack.​

​

The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office has charged 37-year-old Washington, D.C., resident Joseph Alcoff with aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, and conspiracy — all felonies — among other charges. He has pleaded not guilty and is currently out on bail.​

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/

Beating someone up while yelling ethnic slurs seems very anti-fascist!

If found guilty, then hopefully justice will be served.

In no way does this contradict my point.

 

[its free real estate]

If found guilty, then hopefully justice will be served.

In no way does this contradict my point.

It's sort of funny how "anti-fascism" quickly devolves into fascism. Eg Stalinist Russia, modern day China, these Antifa blokes, etc. Anti-fascists: can't trust 'em.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

It's sort of funny how "anti-fascism" quickly devolves into fascism. Eg Stalinist Russia, modern day China, these Antifa blokes, etc. Anti-fascists: can't trust 'em.

I know this is bait, but it really doesn't.

Not all authoritarian governments are fascists, words still have meanings and some protesters engage in random acts of violence.

Leftwing extremism is almost nonexistent in the US, as per the articles posted way back in the thread. Yes whilst one example is both unsurprising and still too many, there are actual fascist organisations and individuals, plotting and conducting very real acts of terrorism in the US.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Have you seen this one:

D.C. “Antifa Leader” Is Third Man Charged in Marine Attack in Philadelphia

It has been more than two months since two United States Marines said they were assaulted in Philadelphia by a “mob” just blocks from the controversial We the People Rally, and now a third man has been charged in the attack.​

​

The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office has charged 37-year-old Washington, D.C., resident Joseph Alcoff with aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, and conspiracy — all felonies — among other charges. He has pleaded not guilty and is currently out on bail.​

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/

Beating someone up while yelling ethnic slurs seems very anti-fascist!

Antifa leader is no surprise.

These guys are extremists who see violence as an acceptable tool for control

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Antifa leader is no surprise.

These guys are extremists who see violence as an acceptable tool for control

Black bloc tactics are largely used by anarchists, so I'm pretty sure they don't have power over or are controlling anybody.

 

[its free real estate]

I know this is bait, but it really doesn't.

Not all authoritarian governments are fascists, words still have meanings and some protesters engage in random acts of violence.

Leftwing extremism is almost nonexistent in the US, as per the articles posted way back in the thread. One example whilst unsurprising, is still too many. However there are actual fascist organisations and individuals, plotting and conducting very real acts of terrorism in the US.

But it does. What you must remember is that leftism, especially in its more radical forms, is a grasp for power. It is a belief system that sees those that currently have power as obtaining it unjustly.

When it attains power what happens? Does the need to liquidate bourgeois or kulaks go away? No, it never does. There are always more kulaks, more threats to the revolution. More people you can send to labour camps. Even as you reach advanced modern economy stage, as China has, there are still enemies of the state who must be put away.

At the heart of leftism is the who, whom question. Resolving that question means constant revolution. For your dream to be a reality it needs millions of deaths. Eventually that reaches a 'fascist' stage.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

It's also a concern when law enforcement become part of the problem:

https://www.apnews.com/7f81fc29e1084b33abc5fbd712c89235

Oregon official: texts show police-extremist collusion

https://www.apnews.com/7f81fc29e1084b33abc5fbd712c89235

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest

California police worked with neo-Nazis to pursue 'anti-racist' activists, documents show

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/05/antifa-charges-california-activists-stabbing

Anti-fascists were stabbed at a neo-Nazi rally. Then police tried to charge them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/05/antifa-charges-california-activists-stabbing

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...o-rally-fbi-kkk-domestic-terrorism-california

Revealed: FBI investigated civil rights group as 'terrorism' threat and viewed KKK as victims

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...o-rally-fbi-kkk-domestic-terrorism-california

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

But it does. What you must remember is that leftism, especially in its more radical forms, is a grasp for power. It is a belief system that sees those that currently have power as obtaining it unjustly.

When it attains power what happens? Does the need to liquidate bourgeois or kulaks go away? No, it never does. There are always more kulaks, more threats to the revolution. More people you can send to labour camps. Even as you reach advanced modern economy stage, as China has, there are still enemies of the state who must be put away.

At the heart of leftism is the who, whom question. Resolving that question means constant revolution. For your dream to be a reality it needs millions of deaths. Eventually that reaches a 'fascist' stage.

And yet the US has what, a record number of people imprisoned per capita for a modern non wartime state? Does that make the US a fascist state and capitalism simply a path to fascism. How many millions have they unjustly killed in imperial wars over the last century? Or are there different strains of barbarism.

But I'm not going to make an apology for Stalinism. Also, antifascists began as a German communist and anarchist movement, resisting the Nazi's. I'm pretty sure you will find Stalin purged the anarchists and modern day anarchists and M-L's don't have the best relationship. Nor did the state capitalism of Mao (in his own words) and Stalin resemble the original ideals of German Marxists.

The rest of your post is just poppycock. There are as many strains of "leftism" as visions of other political and economic systems, to suggest each and everyone requires a fascist bloodbath is worms punching holes in your brain stupid.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Black bloc tactics are largely used by anarchists, so I'm pretty sure they don't have power over or are controlling anybody.

They have greater ambitions than just street rumbles

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

They have greater ambitions than just street rumbles

Absolutely, I'm pretty sure there is absolutely a political purpose as to why they engage with reactionaries at protests.

ANTIFA is a political position though, and Black Bloc is a tactic.

They aren't an organisation. Which is why in some respects the article posted above was so silly. There aren't any ANTIFA leaders.

 

[its free real estate]

There are as many strains of "leftism" as visions of other political and economic systems, to suggest each and everyone requires a fascist bloodbath is worms punching holes in your brain stupid.

Sort of strange that it happens so much though, hey?

Name a successful revolutionary utopia.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Sort of strange that it happens so much though, hey?

Name a successful revolutionary utopia.

Name a successful utopia. The West was also largely built on revolution. Ya big ol dumbass.

 

[its free real estate]

Name a successful utopia. The West was also largely built on revolution. Ya big ol dumbass.

Yeah, industrial revolutions.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Yeah, industrial revolutions.

The American revolution, two English revolutions, the French revolution etc.

It's weird that you are so high handed but so proudly and historically ignorant.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Absolutely, I'm pretty sure there is absolutely a political purpose as to why they engage with reactionaries at protests.

ANTIFA is a political position though, and Black Bloc is a tactic.

They aren't an organisation. Which is why in some respects the article posted above was so silly. There aren't any ANTIFA leaders.

There are always leaders...

The Australian antifa numbnuts identify as belonging to antifa and there are facebook and instgram antifa groups.
They have their uniform of black clothes and facial coverings so they can commit assault and vandalism acts with anonymity.

Tactics are nearly always the same and violence is seen being an acceptable if not preferred option by members against anyone they dont agree with... because Nazis...

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

There are always leaders...

The Australian antifa numbnuts identify as belonging to antifa and there are facebook and instgram antifa groups.
They have their uniform of black clothes and facial coverings so they can commit assault and vandalism acts with anonymity.

Tactics are nearly always the same and violence is seen being an acceptable if not preferred option by members against anyone they dont agree with... because Nazis...

I hope you aren't referring to the known troll who was running a series of "ANTIFA" facebook pages and pretending to be some kind of leader, giving interviews etc., only to be revealed as a rightwing ******* who had been chased off by activists over several incidents of harassment and alleged sexual assault. Why are you people so gullible?

 

[Craven Morehead]

I'm no fan of O'Sullivan, but instead of saying Chinaman, he should've just said Asian. (Which would still cause 'outrage' of course, but be correct).
Then Littleproud uses the term "off reservation" and everyone loses their mind again. I was unaware we had so many Sioux and Comanche among us.
Of course, everyone now has to rush into damage control and apologise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02...-senator-osullivan-chinaman-comments/10833452

 

[its free real estate]

The American revolution, two English revolutions, the French revolution etc.

It's weird that you are so high handed but so proudly and historically ignorant.

The English (Cromwell) and French revolutions spiralled quickly into terror, tyranny and mass deaths. Glorious revolution doesn’t count as a revolution - it was the replacement of one (Catholic) king for another distantly related (Protestant) one.

American revolution probably the only good one, but that led to a free market, liberal capitalist society, not a left wing one.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

The English (Cromwell) and French revolutions spiralled quickly into terror, tyranny and mass deaths. Glorious revolution doesn’t count as a revolution - it was the replacement of one (Catholic) king for another distantly related (Protestant) one.

American revolution probably the only good one, but that led to a free market, liberal capitalist society, not a left wing one.

Since when was post revolution US an economically and socially liberal/free market society? A society built on slavery, then post civil war in the reconstruction era (and beyond) it was marred by militancy, protectionism, state oppression of labour movements and ethnic minorities.

Even decades later during the gilded age, it was cronyism, not market liberalism that defined commerce in the US. I'm not sure championing imperial powers is the best way to sell a system or ideology, because then the argument becomes simply, the one who can steal the most stuff and kill the most enemies is the best, regardless of political and economic system.

 

[CheapCharlie]

I hope you aren't referring to the known troll who was running a series of "ANTIFA" facebook pages and pretending to be some kind of leader, giving interviews etc., only to be revealed as a rightwing ******* who had been chased off by activists over several incidents of harassment and alleged sexual assault. Why are you people so gullible?

LOL
Nice strawman buddy
Brought tears to my eyes

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

LOL
Nice strawman buddy
Brought tears to my eyes

It's not a strawman.

There is literally no such thing as an ANTIFA chapter, organisation or leader. Anybody can employ Black Bloc tactics and call themselves ANTIFA, which is a result of anarchist idealism, but also has its downsides.