Is Brett Ratten a genius? (Now with Poll)

[Former Decathlete]

Just occurred to me that Ratten may well be a genius.

1. Gets Carlton in to two finals series - a miracle in itself. Carlton of all clubs.
2. Arrives at the Hawks in 2013 at the start of a famous 3-peat.
3. Rocks up to the Saints, and suddenly there is a dramatic 180 degree turnaround.

Either it is a happy coincidence or the bloke is a genius.

Thoughts?

 

[_007_]

Can't argue with the facts.

 

[Pessimistic]

He’s pretty good

 

[Bulldog1954]

No.

 

[RUNVS]

Maybe not a genius but he most certainly deserves a senior gig.

 

[Scotland]

Carlton had Judd carrying them, Hawthorn had a pretty fair side.

Getting St Kilda to a 4-1 start, build a statue of the man at Moorabbin.

 

[CH Jazz]

Wanted him as our coach post Walsh. Nothing has changed. Sign him now for 2020.

 

[Malifice]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, he was the most unfairly treated senior coach I've seen for some time.

He totally deserves another shot.

That ssaid, if Carlton fans couldnt warm to him, I fear for him with another head gig.

 

[Righteo]

Swans next head coach?

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Wanted him at Geelong as an assistant when we lost Caracalla to Tigers and as a successor when Scott's time is up.

 

[Elite Master]

Would take him in a heartbeat at North to replace Scott.

 

[Plugger35]

No he isn't and leave him alone

 

[RUNVS]

Swans next head coach?

Swans have Stevie J

 

[SpannaMan]

While I'm enjoying the ride so far, have the Saints really done anything yet?

Gold Coast are no world beaters, Essendon and Melbourne both look like they have issues at the moment and Hawks are injury ravaged.

Keep the lid on.

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[Scotland]

While I'm enjoying the ride so far, have the Saints really done anything yet?

Gold Coast are no world beaters, Essendon and Melbourne both look like they have issues at the moment and Hawks are injury ravaged.

Keep the lid on.

The Saints have had a good run but have still won 4 from 5. That could be 2 or 3 which wouldn't be noteworthy.

I'd rather go into a run of tough games with banked wins than not.

 

[gavaniacono]

He's a well respected and modest gentleman, disrespected by Carlton, but not by anyone else. Emphasis on the gentleman bit, a rare breed.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Getting shoved by Carlton might end up being the best thing for him.

They were headed down no matter what by the time Malthouse took over and the perception is that Ratten was stiff. If he’s stuck around he might have developed a stench but I doubt it now.

If the Saints stop performing and get rid of Richo I reckon he’ll get another crack.

 

[citizen-erased]

Crows will come calling shortly one would think.
If he wants a senior gig, that's the best one in the comp i can think of.
Good list in need of better mentorship and direction.

 

[Atavistic]

While I'm enjoying the ride so far, have the Saints really done anything yet?

Gold Coast are no world beaters, Essendon and Melbourne both look like they have issues at the moment and Hawks are injury ravaged.

Keep the lid on.

Yeah, but you're also missing a bunch of players: Carlisle, McCartin, Roberton, Hanners, Austin, etc. What you've done so far is impressive given your omissions.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Just occurred to me that Ratten may well be a genius.

1. Gets Carlton in to two finals series - a miracle in itself. Carlton of all clubs.
2. Arrives at the Hawks in 2013 at the start of a famous 3-peat.
3. Rocks up to the Saints, and suddenly there is a dramatic 180 degree turnaround.

Either it is a happy coincidence or the bloke is a genius.

Thoughts?

I was wrong about Ratten.

He is the template for the Adam Simpson style modern coach, who as a first principle is worried about things like team cohesion, supporting the players, etc. Though maybe rides the bumps a little more ala Fagan.

Looking back, getting Carlton to the finals was a huge achievement and he deserves another shot at senior coach.

 

[Tulip]

Yeah, but you're also missing a bunch of players: Carlisle, McCartin, Roberton, Hanners, Austin, etc. What you've done so far is impressive given your omissions.

That etc is doing a lot of work

 

[FootyGeek]

Brett Ratten was a disaster at Carlton as senior coach. We are still paying today for his tenure.

We did not have a list manager back in his day. He was the boss of the football department and had sway over the recruiting and trading as well. In fact he had his fingers in almost every part of the club, even non football related things. Part of the reason he was given the arse.

Read the lists for recruiting and trading below. Pathetic. Set the club back 10 years in just five years of coaching. He thought he had a list that was good enough and did not treat the draft with respect or use trading strategically.

Fred Flinstone could have coached the Carlton list to 5th in 2011. Sadly the work in 2009 and 2010 did not attempt to turn over the list or build it up.

Recruiting.


2011 National Draft
Pick 22: Josh Bootsma, Sth Fremantle, WAFL
Pick 44: Sam Rowe, Norwood, SANFL
Pick 62: Dylan Buckley, Northern Knights U18


2010 National Draft
Pick 18: Matthew Watson, Calder Cannons U18
Pick 34: Patrick McCarthy, Glenelg, SANFL
Pick 42: Luke Mitchell, Calder Cannons U18
Pick 67: Andrew McInnes, Dandenong Stingrays U18
Pick 70: Nick Duigan, Norwood, SANFL
Pick 85: Jeffery Garlett, Promoted Rookie
Pick 99: David Ellard, Promoted Rookie
Pick 108: Simon White, Promoted Rookie


2009 National Draft
Pick 12: Kane Lucas, East Fremantle, WAFL
Pick 43: Marcus Davies, North Hobart
Pick 59: Rohan Kerr*, Dandenong Stingrays U18
Pick 72: Sam Jacobs, Promoted Rookie
Pick 85: Aaron Joseph, Promoted Rookie


2008 National Draft
Pick 6: Chris Yarran, Swan Districts, WAFL
Pick 40: Mitch Robinson, Tassie Devils U18
Pick 65: Rhys O'Keeffe, North Adelaide, SANFL
Pick 80: Caleb Tiller*, Murray Bushrangers U18
Pick 85: Pass


TRADING


End of Year 2011 Trades
Nil


End of Year 2010 Trades
Shaun Grigg to Richmond in return for Andrew Collins.
Sam Jacobs to Adelaide in return for Picks 34 Patrick McCarthy and 67 Andrew McInnes.
Picks 37 (George Horlin-Smith) and 53 (Jordan Schroder) to Geelong for Jeremy Laidler and Pick 42 Luke Mitchell.


2009 Trades
Draft choice 11 (Jordan Gysberts) to Melbourne for Brock McLean.
Brendan Fevola and Pick 27 (Callum Bartlett) traded to Brisbane for Lachlan Henderson and Pick 12 Kane Lucas.


2008 Trades
Draft choices 24 (Nick Suban), 56 (Ben Bucovaz) and 72 (Will Young) to Fremantle for Robert Warnock and draft choice 69.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Brett Ratten was a disaster at Carlton as senior coach. We are still paying today for his tenure.

We did not have a list manager back in his day. He was the boss of the football department and had sway over the recruiting and trading as well. In fact he had his fingers in almost every part of the club, even non football related things. Part of the reason he was given the arse.

Read the lists for recruiting and trading below. Pathetic. Set the club back 10 years in just five years of coaching. He thought he had a list that was good enough and did not treat the draft with respect or use trading strategically.

Fred Flinstone could have coached the Carlton list to 5th in 2011. Sadly the work in 2009 and 2010 did not attempt to turn over the list or build it up.

Recruiting.


2011 National Draft
Pick 22: Josh Bootsma, Sth Fremantle, WAFL
Pick 44: Sam Rowe, Norwood, SANFL
Pick 62: Dylan Buckley, Northern Knights U18


2010 National Draft
Pick 18: Matthew Watson, Calder Cannons U18
Pick 34: Patrick McCarthy, Glenelg, SANFL
Pick 42: Luke Mitchell, Calder Cannons U18
Pick 67: Andrew McInnes, Dandenong Stingrays U18
Pick 70: Nick Duigan, Norwood, SANFL
Pick 85: Jeffery Garlett, Promoted Rookie
Pick 99: David Ellard, Promoted Rookie
Pick 108: Simon White, Promoted Rookie


2009 National Draft
Pick 12: Kane Lucas, East Fremantle, WAFL
Pick 43: Marcus Davies, North Hobart
Pick 59: Rohan Kerr*, Dandenong Stingrays U18
Pick 72: Sam Jacobs, Promoted Rookie
Pick 85: Aaron Joseph, Promoted Rookie


2008 National Draft
Pick 6: Chris Yarran, Swan Districts, WAFL
Pick 40: Mitch Robinson, Tassie Devils U18
Pick 65: Rhys O'Keeffe, North Adelaide, SANFL
Pick 80: Caleb Tiller*, Murray Bushrangers U18
Pick 85: Pass


TRADING


End of Year 2011 Trades
Nil


End of Year 2010 Trades
Shaun Grigg to Richmond in return for Andrew Collins.
Sam Jacobs to Adelaide in return for Picks 34 Patrick McCarthy and 67 Andrew McInnes.
Picks 37 (George Horlin-Smith) and 53 (Jordan Schroder) to Geelong for Jeremy Laidler and Pick 42 Luke Mitchell.


2009 Trades
Draft choice 11 (Jordan Gysberts) to Melbourne for Brock McLean.
Brendan Fevola and Pick 27 (Callum Bartlett) traded to Brisbane for Lachlan Henderson and Pick 12 Kane Lucas.


2008 Trades
Draft choices 24 (Nick Suban), 56 (Ben Bucovaz) and 72 (Will Young) to Fremantle for Robert Warnock and draft choice 69.

If your head coach is responsible for all your recruiting that is the club's fault.

p.s.
Who were Shane Rogers and Wayne Hughes?

EDIT: & Steven Icke

 

[FootyGeek]

If your head coach is responsible for all your recruiting that is the club's fault.

Who were Shane Rogers and Wayne Hughes?

Two blokes who did not know anything about recruiting (just look at their record) and two blokes who could be bossed around by the senior coach. This was an AFL club that had still not acknowledged the power of the draft and that strategies such as multiple first round picks matter (see Collingwood for how well that strategy can work). This was a club that thought that having three number one draft picks and Chris Judd was all that was needed, list turnover and strategic trading be damned.

The whole recruiting and trading strategy was Ratten. Ask around about how Kane Lucas was recruited at pick 12.