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[CharlieMortdecai]

Hang on, why does that even exist? It's straight up sexism and racism.



What impediments?

That's my point, it doesn't exist.
Impediments could be anything. Networks from private schools that ensure plum jobs go to mates. Discrimination against women of a certain age because they might have a child. Lack of access for people in wheelchairs. A career structure that means people at a certain level are expected to work 50 hour weeks from the office.

 

[Sticksphat]

It's silly virtue signalling bullshit that perpetuates the myth that certain races, genders and persons of certain sexual proclivities are still victims, and it plays to a vacuous society that is overflowing with fake w***ers. If you're a female, gay, aboriginal, then you're not special, you're just another person.

Sure, our club drinks heartily from this well of bullshit, but it's the AFL's well.

Snake now you've really shown your true self. The majority of these people aren't saying they are "special". They are just saying they shouldn't be treated as less than you because they are female, gay, or indigenous. Just becaue you don't experince it, or think you don't dish it out, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That the rest of society can ackowledge that and the AFL or ny other organisation can do soemthing to get dinosuars like you to stop and think about it for a second, what the F is wrong with that. FFS

 

[Snake_Baker]

That's my point, it doesn't exist.
Impediments could be anything. Networks from private schools that ensure plum jobs go to mates. Discrimination against women of a certain age because they might have a child. Lack of access for people in wheelchairs. A career structure that means people at a certain level are expected to work 50 hour weeks from the office.

Okay, apologies.

Women having children is a personal choice, which has some statutory protection anyway.

Wheelchairs of course are not a choice and require very careful consideration.

The truly puzzling thing for me is that the folks with the mindset I am in opposition with on this stuff, have not acknowledged that they are in fact exhibiting condescension towards the same people they believe need special privileges. How can you have quotas based upon race or gender and NOT be racist and sexist in the process? The automatic application of victimhood based upon these grounds MUST attract an aspect of condescencion in order for them to have any basis! These people ARE sexists and racists!

 

[Tas]

Simple answer is, by trying to make it better for those not as lucky, you're not guaranteed to make it better at all. An example being, getting rid of sexual harassment which is most definitely a great achievement. But try and push it any further and you create a bucket of frivolous claims that destroys careers of people like Geoffrey Rush and others.

Same goes for LGBT - the fact it's perfectly legal is great. The fact that de facto rights apply as per the rest of society, great but we don't stop there. Legislate for gay marriage - you'd think now we have full equality. But no, we now introduce education about homosexuality to primary schools and allow sex change to kids way before their adult age. Not old enough to have sex legally, but old enough to have a sex change? Why not! And we aren't stopping here. Now we want quotas for women at workplaces, quotas for indigenous people, and on we go. Never mind about being the best fit for the role? No, we are more interested in "equalizing" for the sake of equalizing.

Is it about making the world a better place? I reckon it's far past this point, but most people who support all that certainly mean well, but where that takes us is another question.

Sometimes leaving things as they are is a much better solution, but it's far too late for that.

That has always been the challenge though, the balance between liberalism and conservatism, liberalism sees flaws in the current system and wants to make change while conservatism sees a functional system and wants to protect it from becoming a dysfunctional system by making radical change to the system.

I think the absence of war and strife makes us lean towards liberalism, when we are faced with hardship we tend to lean towards conservatism, it is the lack of struggle in the modern age that contributes towards us pushing towards more change and there is less push back from conservatives because they do not feel the system is under as much threat by change. However, I think there is a tipping point where the more radical change happens, the greater the pushback there is towards conservatism and we are experiencing that now in the west.

We need more problem solving intellectual debate rather than pushing extreme political views, you need to understand the nature of the beast though and why we behave the way we do, why we think the way we do. To a certain extent we have lost sight of that in the present. I think two very good liberal intellectuals that all people should read/listen to are Bret Weinstein and Steven Pinker. Two good video examples:

Bret Weinstein on the phenomenon of left and right:



Steven Pinker on Is the world getting better or worse

 

[giantroo]

Now Kingy chimes in.

North Melbourne has lost the Shinboner spirit, writes David King
David King, Herald Sun
April 24, 2019 4:04pm
There are too many “visitors” at Arden St.

“Visitors” being short-to-medium term occupants who either don’t believe in North Melbourne’s heart and soul — The Shinboner — or have not embraced the club’s beliefs.
The Shinboner is a unifying, overarching ethos that not only embraces the struggles of the past but sets the bare minimum standards that this once great football club demands.
North Melbourne’s culture was born from the Shinboner and has always been about its people, past and present.
Often it was all we had.
So the question need to be asked: Is Brad Scott a visitor?
After 10 years at the helm, if it all finished today, what would his legacy as coach look like?
To my mind, Scott either misinterpreted or simply wasn’t a subscriber to “The Shinboner Spirit” upon arrival at the club.
Perhaps it’s more important for the rusted-on Kangaroos fan and the football club that our ethos remains intact.
But right now it’s significantly more important to Scott and his side than any tactic or moving of player magnets.
Relationships are in fashion, regarding coach to player and coach to staff and so on.
We’ve witnessed Damien Hardwick and Nathan Buckley shift their focus over the past couple of seasons to redefine their priorities, with stunning success.
Has Scott undergone that same transformation?
All great cultures possess tremendous player unity driven by the stars, from Wayne Schimmelbusch to Wayne Carey. Or even further back, as legend has it, by Les Foote and John Dugdale types.
But I can only identify with the Carey model that had all players, trainers and staff on the same equal peg.
Carey was a true cultural driver who stamped a one-in, all-in philosophy.
Does this playing group enjoy the same bond?
The loss of Geoff Walsh as director of football cannot be understated.
His preparedness to engage in difficult conversations and arrest areas of concern, or at bare minimum raise an alarm, are missing right now.
On-field, the game plan is failing.
Opposition sides score against North Melbourne with an uncomfortable ease and it’s been that way for years.
Disturbingly, the much-lauded brutal contested ball asset has dissipated to the point of becoming docile.
When all else is lost clubs retreat to their core foundation, their identity and what they stand for, but what are the current non-negotiables at Arden St?
We don’t want Scott the coach, we want Scott the player.
Ben Cunnington and Scott Thompson have played in the right manner with 100 per cent effort, 100 per cent of the time.
They never throw in the towel and make Kangaroo fans proud, but others must get on board.
When was the last time the captain grabbed a game by the throat?
Jack Ziebell cannot have a repeat of last week’s six disposal, zero tackle stat sheet.
His physical presence has such an emotional influence on this group, but he must spend time at the coalface, in the true midfield on Friday night.
Has the glut of free agency acquisitions of the previous four to five years watered down and diluted the deep-seated passion for the club, over and above the pure financial gain?
Are these “consultants”, who have been selected for a specific needs in the short term, buying in to the total team requirements?
The uncontested nature of how some are playing would suggest there are worrying signs.
Jared Polec, Aaron Hall and this season’s version of Shaun Higgins are swanning around the ground prioritising uncontested football and personal statistical reward over the team needs, which include all defensive actions.
Regardless of all else the spotlight of Friday night football, when the club has its back to the wall, has always been the domain of the “Shinboner”.
Playing Port Adelaide provides the perfect opportunity for North to reignite a season drifting aimlessly into the abyss.
The Power are following the outstanding leadership of Travis Boak, Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas, but still possess much inexperience.
North Melbourne must seek to ambush the Power in the same manner as Richmond only a
fortnight ago.
When these Kangaroos pull on the royal blue and white vertical stripes they must be prepared to fight tooth and nail for victory with a desire that doesn’t settle for near enough is good enough.
It’s season on the line at the Adelaide Oval.
It takes a lot for the North Melbourne faithful to stir, but they are agitated.
I’m convinced there will be an all-club review, from top to bottom, at season’s end and I fear a broom will be swept through Arden St.
But just how long those brushes will be could be determined over the next three months.
I accept that when discussing North Melbourne, I’m accused either of being too supportive, or the contrary, turning on the club that gave me all that I enjoy.
But I write this because I care.
What I’d give to select Glenn Archer, John Law and Jimmy Krakouer at the selection table tonight, not on talent, but effort alone.

Love it!

 

[Snake_Baker]

Snake now you've really shown your true self. The majority of these people aren't saying they are "special". They are just saying they shouldn't be treated as less than you because they are female, gay, or indigenous. Just becaue you don't experince it, or think you don't dish it out, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That the rest of society can ackowledge that and the AFL or ny other organisation can do soemthing to get dinosuars like you to stop and think about it for a second, what the F is wrong with that. FFS

Again! Another condescending racist and sexist! Victimhood (condescension) for an entire class of people is automatically applied!

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

You are going to overcome discrimination....................WITH discrimination? Do you give any of these concepts more than a split second of analysis?

This is power politics. It's the same shit that we needed equality laws for in the first place. The only difference is that one set of perversions were based upon a fake implied superiority, that did not exist, and the new set of perversions are now being assembled based upon a fake implied subjugation, that does not exist. Can't you see that?



You're not the full quid either. Move past the initial emotional response and start thinking deeper about things mate.

Your simplistic approach of ignoring the structural biases of society and decrying anything beyond anti-discrimination laws is what leads us to the ridiculous and dangerous victimhood of Pauline Hanson's 'it's okay to be white' motion.

 

[DesertRoo]

That's the best and most honest critique of the club that I have read in years.

Bravo, Kingy! Bravo!

It should be printed out and wallpapered up and down the length of Arden Street.

After reading that, all I can think of is ‘flying the flag is crap’

 

[PokerRoo]

I'd rather spend it to employ retired North champions like Boomer to go around holding clinics at primary schools and handing out junior memberships to non aligned kids.

*White Kids

 

[Tas]

*White Kids

We have had a great many indigenous stars I wouldn't mind being involved with grass roots development as well.

 

[Snake_Baker]

We have had a great many indigenous stars I wouldn't mind being involved with grass roots development as well.

Race doesn't and should never matter.

 

[Sillygit]

It's actually getting really impressive with the amount of topics that can derail one thread

 

[Snake_Baker]

Your simplistic approach of ignoring the structural biases of society and decrying anything beyond anti-discrimination laws is what leads us to the ridiculous and dangerous victimhood of Pauline Hanson's 'it's okay to be white' motion.

FFS, where do you want "structural bias" to start and end?

Should I have get a special round in the AFL because I came from working class stock and couldn't compete on an equal footing with the kids of the landed gentry who went to Scotch College, and benefitted from it's associated post education networks? How about a job quota at a brokers firm in Collins Street?

It's an absurd premise, but it IS a "structural bias", and a damn strong one at that!

 

[Black2Blue]

That's the best and most honest critique of the club that I have read in years.

Bravo, Kingy! Bravo!

It should be printed out and wallpapered up and down the length of Arden Street.

Yep, Kingy has been redeeming himself amongst the faithful by saying it as it is. From Brad to Walsh to players and the broom sweeping through, he covers the depth of the problem. And love the mention of John Law and Jimmy Krakouer alongside Arch as those who flew the North flag onfield.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yep, Kingy has been redeeming himself amongst the faithful by saying it as it is. From Brad to Walsh to players and the broom sweeping through, he covers the depth of the problem. And love the mention of John Law and Jimmy Krakouer alongside Arch as those who flew the North flag onfield.

He's pissed off like the rest of us. You only had to see the look in his eye after the "Bad" Friday debacle.

 

[Roosurgence]

I’ve heard a whisper that the Huddle will be the catalyst for the next earth extinction event.

 

[Firestarter]

I’ve heard a whisper that the Huddle will be the catalyst for the next earth extinction event.

The Huddle voted for Nixon, Bush and Trump.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Mods, this is going nowhere. As discussed at the private crisis meeting, time to sweep it clean?

 

[Long Live the King]

Basically, nothing in the past decade.

Before that we had Arch's 250th, the night Drew broke the world record for contested marks and the final round of 1999 when we flogged the Crows as we steamrolled towards the flag.

In summary: Adelaide can GAGF.

I recall a preseason game in 1993 in Adelaide that was the catalyst for change.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

FFS, where do you want "structural bias" to start and end?

Should I have get a special round in the AFL because I came from working class stock and couldn't compete on an equal footing with the kids of the landed gentry who went to Scotch College, and benefitted from it's associated post education networks? How about a job quota at a brokers firm in Collins Street?

It's an absurd premise, but it IS a "structural bias", and a damn strong one at that!

As I said before quotas are far more spoken of than existent. But absolutely those barriers should be removed, a quota is not really an effective remedy.
I'm not sure what you want in terms of a round of football celebrating the contribution of the working class. Not many people self-identify along class lines any more. But I think it's a great idea, no doubt there's a rich history to explore there.

 

[Gasometer]

You jest but I think Ben would actually do a good job of running kids activities on family day. Kids see through bullshitters.

I do remember poison ball to cause grief in more simpler times..

 

[Dirty_11]

You jest but I think Ben would actually do a good job of running kids activities on family day. Kids see through bullshitters.

My kids love Cunners.


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[Danni_Benson]

Now Kingy chimes in.

North Melbourne has lost the Shinboner spirit, writes David King
David King, Herald Sun
April 24, 2019 4:04pm
There are too many “visitors” at Arden St.

“Visitors” being short-to-medium term occupants who either don’t believe in North Melbourne’s heart and soul — The Shinboner — or have not embraced the club’s beliefs.
The Shinboner is a unifying, overarching ethos that not only embraces the struggles of the past but sets the bare minimum standards that this once great football club demands.
North Melbourne’s culture was born from the Shinboner and has always been about its people, past and present.
Often it was all we had.
So the question need to be asked: Is Brad Scott a visitor?
After 10 years at the helm, if it all finished today, what would his legacy as coach look like?
To my mind, Scott either misinterpreted or simply wasn’t a subscriber to “The Shinboner Spirit” upon arrival at the club.
Perhaps it’s more important for the rusted-on Kangaroos fan and the football club that our ethos remains intact.
But right now it’s significantly more important to Scott and his side than any tactic or moving of player magnets.
Relationships are in fashion, regarding coach to player and coach to staff and so on.
We’ve witnessed Damien Hardwick and Nathan Buckley shift their focus over the past couple of seasons to redefine their priorities, with stunning success.
Has Scott undergone that same transformation?
All great cultures possess tremendous player unity driven by the stars, from Wayne Schimmelbusch to Wayne Carey. Or even further back, as legend has it, by Les Foote and John Dugdale types.
But I can only identify with the Carey model that had all players, trainers and staff on the same equal peg.
Carey was a true cultural driver who stamped a one-in, all-in philosophy.
Does this playing group enjoy the same bond?
The loss of Geoff Walsh as director of football cannot be understated.
His preparedness to engage in difficult conversations and arrest areas of concern, or at bare minimum raise an alarm, are missing right now.
On-field, the game plan is failing.
Opposition sides score against North Melbourne with an uncomfortable ease and it’s been that way for years.
Disturbingly, the much-lauded brutal contested ball asset has dissipated to the point of becoming docile.
When all else is lost clubs retreat to their core foundation, their identity and what they stand for, but what are the current non-negotiables at Arden St?
We don’t want Scott the coach, we want Scott the player.
Ben Cunnington and Scott Thompson have played in the right manner with 100 per cent effort, 100 per cent of the time.
They never throw in the towel and make Kangaroo fans proud, but others must get on board.
When was the last time the captain grabbed a game by the throat?
Jack Ziebell cannot have a repeat of last week’s six disposal, zero tackle stat sheet.
His physical presence has such an emotional influence on this group, but he must spend time at the coalface, in the true midfield on Friday night.
Has the glut of free agency acquisitions of the previous four to five years watered down and diluted the deep-seated passion for the club, over and above the pure financial gain?
Are these “consultants”, who have been selected for a specific needs in the short term, buying in to the total team requirements?
The uncontested nature of how some are playing would suggest there are worrying signs.
Jared Polec, Aaron Hall and this season’s version of Shaun Higgins are swanning around the ground prioritising uncontested football and personal statistical reward over the team needs, which include all defensive actions.
Regardless of all else the spotlight of Friday night football, when the club has its back to the wall, has always been the domain of the “Shinboner”.
Playing Port Adelaide provides the perfect opportunity for North to reignite a season drifting aimlessly into the abyss.
The Power are following the outstanding leadership of Travis Boak, Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas, but still possess much inexperience.
North Melbourne must seek to ambush the Power in the same manner as Richmond only a
fortnight ago.
When these Kangaroos pull on the royal blue and white vertical stripes they must be prepared to fight tooth and nail for victory with a desire that doesn’t settle for near enough is good enough.
It’s season on the line at the Adelaide Oval.
It takes a lot for the North Melbourne faithful to stir, but they are agitated.
I’m convinced there will be an all-club review, from top to bottom, at season’s end and I fear a broom will be swept through Arden St.
But just how long those brushes will be could be determined over the next three months.
I accept that when discussing North Melbourne, I’m accused either of being too supportive, or the contrary, turning on the club that gave me all that I enjoy.
But I write this because I care.
What I’d give to select Glenn Archer, John Law and Jimmy Krakouer at the selection table tonight, not on talent, but effort alone.

Almost get goosebumps reading that!

 

[Dirty_11]

Back on The Huddle for a second....

Would this be the kind of thing that State and Federal Governments could use to justify handing over large parcels of land to a Football Club?

Because the Bulldogs just received a $16 million dollar block previously earmarked for residential property and I hear there is a decent size development taking place in the Arden Precinct.

I posted this towards the start of the thread, this thinking was shot down as a pipe dream idea.


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[GarnerSmash]

Race doesn't and should never matter.

No, it doesn't and it shouldn't. In an ideal world. But acknowledging that it has in the past and almost always in a detrimental manner to the minority is not a bad thing, because the negatives of such experiences are intergenerational, for the victims and the perpetrators. That is why such things as Indigenous round are a good thing, becuase they allow for acknowledgement of past wrongs and provide in part for a platform for a society where race does not and should not matter, beyond celebration of the things that differentiate as well as unite us all. And yes, I acknowledge that these messages can be hijacked, but I'd rather have the vehicle to highlight them than not have them at all. Same goes for engaging our former indigenous stars.