Society/Culture The Abortion Thread

[quotemokc]

Pure evil to force a victim of sexual assault to continue with a pregnancy.
A rapist gets a lighter penalty than a dr in that pissant place.

Its not the babies fault that it is a rape baby.

That being said I don't agree with a law that doesn't allow abortions up to x weeks.

 

[Contra Mundum]

You can't call those that don't want unborn babies to be murdered "evil", that makes no sense.

Rape and incest are such a minuscule amount of cases that using it in the header is such click bait you have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

Of course doctors should be punished for not following the law...

It leads to backyard abortions

Bring back the coat hanger

Bring back the coat hanger. It doesn't matter how many women die due to shonky abortionists. This is the real outcome of your advocacy for making abortion illegal.

Upon what basis, other than religious fundamentalism, do you think it immoral to sleep with whomever you wish?

Its True. Even if you start from the proposition that all termination at any stage is killing - how forcing the poor to have unsafe abortions at the hands of butchers is not moral (the rich will always have access) You are never going to slow down the rate of abortions unless you take steps to ameliorate unwanted pregnancies - free vasetomies, ready availability of condoms and the pill. I have referred to the Cuban Government formulation "abortions should be safe, legal and rare" before - make the moral case against it without criminalising it.

Also what is the morality of policing a right to life in the womb and then not providing a social safety net once it comes out

 

[Contra Mundum]

 

[Taylor]

Also what is the morality of policing a right to life in the womb and then not providing a social safety net once it comes out

Is this an exercise in considering the personal responsibility someone has over the result of their actions at the very end of the discussion?

American Adoptions dot com report that there are up to 36x the number of parents waiting to adopt as there are children placed into adoption.

 

[Taylor]

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That should be lined up with the bodies, well dismembered bodies, of the 140,000 second trimester abortions per year. That photo of 140,000 sets of legs, arms and crushed skulls.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Is this an exercise in considering the personal responsibility someone has over the result of their actions at the very end of the discussion?

American Adoptions dot com report that there are up to 36x the number of parents waiting to adopt as there are children placed into adoption.

OK so all unwanted pregnancies carrying the baby to term would end up adopted - when a quarter of American women have had an abortion? - don't make me laugh. Also I thought we believed that a baby should be with its natural mother and father? A social safety net would assist that social good would'nt it

 

[Contra Mundum]

That should be lined up with the bodies, well dismembered bodies, of the 140,000 second trimester abortions per year. That photo of 140,000 sets of legs, arms and crushed skulls.

So the potential death of the "vessel" is not something you are willing to consider?

 

[happy_eagle]

Some pretty ****ed up attempted explanations of this barbaric law

 

[Contra Mundum]

Some pretty ****** up attempted explanations of this barbaric law

That is putrid - of course, DNA cannot be obtained in any other way in the case of rape

 

[Taylor]

OK so all unwanted pregnancies carrying the baby to term would end up adopted - when a quarter of American women have had an abortion? - don't make me laugh. Also I thought we believed that a baby should be with its natural mother and father? A social safety net would assist that social good would'nt it

The issue is that the child should get to survive. This is more deflection away from taking personal responsibility for the results of your choices.

 

[skilts]

Is this an exercise in considering the personal responsibility someone has over the result of their actions at the very end of the discussion?

American Adoptions dot com report that there are up to 36x the number of parents waiting to adopt as there are children placed into adoption.

Which is to say that carrying a huge mass inside your body for nine months is as nothing. What responsibility is there on any father of said foetus to carry it in his body for that length of time. How many times have you carried a foetus to full term?

 

[skilts]

The issue is that the child should get to survive. This is more deflection away from taking personal responsibility for the results of your choices.

The issue is that you think a zygote to be a child. Others disagree. I'm among them. How many conversations have you conducted with a foetus?

 

[Taylor]

So the potential death of the "vessel" is not something you are willing to consider?

It absolutely is, it's quite acceptable that a pregnancy is ended where the life of the mother is at risk. Losing two is never chosen over saving one.

Not her financial or convenience risk though.

I heard a stat this morning that said the number of women who died from illegal abortions in the year prior to the decision in the supreme court making it legal was 39, and proportional to the number who died in legal abortions. Abortions carry a risk and the pro-abortion side love dancing in the margins of rape, incest and coat hangers in alleyways.

There are people upset that something with a heart beat and human DNA can't be killed. Those are also the people who shower themselves with virtue over it.

Once we have the technology to remove a life from a mother and allow it to grow then the this next debate will be cloned humans being harvested for organs, whether using induced microcephaly humans for growing organs is ethical.

Drawing lines for life based on convenience is dangerous.

 

[Taylor]

Which is to say that carrying a huge mass inside your body for nine months is as nothing. What responsibility is there on any father of said foetus to carry it in his body for that length of time. How many times have you carried a foetus to full term?

I've done it once. Half way once.

He should be as responsible for the child as all men should be for their children.

The children should live and their parents are responsible for them. If adults, these are the primary users of these services, can't be trusted to make the wise decisions on how to live their lives then we are going to need to round off some serious corners of life.

 

[Taylor]

The issue is that you think a zygote to be a child. Others disagree. I'm among them. How many conversations have you conducted with a foetus?

Conversation isn't required for me to consider something life.

If we find a single cell on Mars we will jump up and down about finding life but the unique human DNA growing inside someone is not considered life because it might get in the way later.

Human life starts somewhere.

 

[iBeng]

The irony that these same white men wont vote for better gun laws because "people will still find ways to get guns" truly believe the same wont happen with abortions. This WILL kill women, much more than the embryos they are pretending to champion.

 

[Contra Mundum]

The issue is that the child should get to survive. This is more deflection away from taking personal responsibility for the results of your choices.

The woman you mean - its always the woman - lock her up, lock her up. You are deflecting actually - we have legislation banning abortions - which is supposed to be a reflection of democratic will but no responsibility for the resulting child - its sick and a perversion of morality

 

[Contra Mundum]

The irony that these same white men wont vote for better gun laws because "people will still find ways to get guns" truly believe the same wont happen with abortions. This WILL kill women, much more than the embryos they are pretending to champion.

Poor women - the Republican senators who voted for this will be shipping their girlfriends up to Canada

 

[Taylor]

The woman you mean - its always the woman - lock her up, lock her up. You are deflecting actually - we have legislation banning abortions - which is supposed to be a reflection of democratic will but no responsibility for the resulting child - its sick and a perversion of morality

Again, you deflect that the society should have responsibility for the child created by adults who know how it works. The adult is responsible for their actions. Society shouldn't be wrapping everyone up with bubble wrap and get out of situation free cards by ending inconvenient human lives. You make choices, things happen, you're responsible for that.

You're believing the propaganda on this law, find the part where it will send women to prison for getting an abortion... It's doctors doing it who would be prosecuted.

 

[Chief]

The irony that these same white men wont vote for better gun laws because "people will still find ways to get guns" truly believe the same wont happen with abortions. This WILL kill women, much more than the embryos they are pretending to champion.

Exactly: The right to own a consumer product is somehow sacred.

Not so much the right for a woman to determine what happens to her own body.

 

[Taylor]

Poor women - the Republican senators who voted for this will be shipping their girlfriends up to Canada

Or they could just use protection.

Imagine if 92% of African American women didn't vote for the Democrats, who also are primary users of abortion, if there would instead be a public campaign to not get pregnant in the first place by using contraception.

 

[Chief]

Again, you deflect that the society should have responsibility for the child created by adults who know how it works. The adult is responsible for their actions. Society shouldn't be wrapping everyone up with bubble wrap and get out of situation free cards by ending inconvenient human lives. You make choices, things happen, you're responsible for that.

You're believing the propaganda on this law, find the part where it will send women to prison for getting an abortion... It's doctors doing it who would be prosecuted.

And a huge number of abortions in the US are needed due to contraceptive failure.

They did the right thing.

 

[Taylor]

And a huge number of abortions in the US are needed due to contraceptive failure.

They did the right thing.

Can you demonstrate that? The stats I have on why abortions are used are overwhelmingly for lifestyle, financial or otherwise inconvenient reasons. They don't specify how it started though.

We really need to find out who is selling this contraception to African Americans, because that must be some dodgy stuff.

Or maybe they are claiming the failure and the culture of raw dogging is all a myth.

 

[quotemokc]

Poor women - the Republican senators who voted for this will be shipping their girlfriends up to Canada

Yeah cos only men voted for these senators.

The governor that signed the bill into law was a female too.

Even though people like to purport it to be a war on women by men the majority of people that appear to be prolife are women themselves.

 

[cartwright]

Can you demonstrate that? The stats I have on why abortions are used are overwhelmingly for lifestyle, financial or otherwise inconvenient reasons. They don't specify how it started though.

We really need to find out who is selling this contraception to African Americans, because that must be some dodgy stuff.

Or maybe they are claiming the failure and the culture of raw dogging is all a myth.

We get it taylor, you're for forced pregnancies.