Fan threatened with eviction from MCG for barracking too loud

[Mr Magic]

Why has the onfield umpire in Tasmania not been commended for directing the security officer to not interfere with the players on field thereby averting a potential conflict and serious incident with potential expensive litigation consequences for various stakeholders???

Arguably could the two afl players not have really gone heavy done the legal path if touched by the security officer(s)???

 

[Boppo]

Imagine being told how to speak and behave at the footy by a complete stranger who:

- isn't trained in any kind of psychology or behaviour science
- doesn't speak the language well
- doesnt know the basics of the game

Just a thug paid the cheapest wage.

 

[zyzzbruh]

If they can't meet the standards have they or the managers not committed a fraud??

As someone who's worked in security back in the day, I can tell you neither the security company nor the venue care about the standard of work. The venue only has security because they're legally liable to have it, and have to have a certain amount of guards in relation to the venue. As long as that quota is met and their arses are covered that's all that matters to them. The security companies also know this and only worry about covering their own arse by honouring the contract and providing the required amount of guards.

Call it fraud or whatever you want but there's corruption, whether big or small in every industry, even the coppers. So to expect some american FBI style professional security guards who only eject someone who society completely agrees should be ejected without any conjecture is completely illogical.

Alot of people also have the wrong perception of what a guard can and can't legally do. Guards have every right to question and eject someone within the venues rules, but they actually don't have much authority and are told to observe and report rather than get involved in most situations. People think guards are either over authoritative ego maniacs or the opposite, have no idea and don't do anything when needed. When the reality is they're only there to fill a quota, observe and report. The security guard running into the ground wasn't an example of having no idea, nor trying to impose rules. He was just a standard security guard who was only there to make a bit of coin who was faced with a situation normally seen in his job where he made a split second judgement to break up a scuffle. The comments regarding his culture are irrelevant and plain ignorant.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Imagine being told how to speak and behave at the footy by a complete stranger who:

- isn't trained in any kind of psychology or behaviour science
- doesn't speak the language well
- doesnt know the basics of the game

Just a thug paid the cheapest wage.

Trust me, security guards are only there to get paid and would absolutely rather not have to go through the trouble of kicking anyone out. They only do when faced with a situation where they feel their job may be at risk if they they don't do anything in that certain situation. He's just there to put bread on the table. So do them a favour by not behaving in a questionable manner that gives them the option to do something about you, and they will do you a favour by not having a single issue with you. It's not that hard to just be a respectable bloke instead of a dickkhead at the footy.

 

[Lolbert]

Imagine being told how to speak and behave at the footy by a complete stranger who:

- isn't trained in any kind of psychology or behaviour science
- doesn't speak the language well
- doesnt know the basics of the game

Just a thug paid the cheapest wage.

Unfortunately some people don't get it and need to be told how to act. Having said that, the recent push by the AFL for crowd control is ridiculous. But it's the AFL, not the poor blokes trying to follow instructions. Training is required - these would be security contractors sent to the Footy game with little or no training, who are used to blindly following instructions. The fact their English is poor is irrelevant, as is understanding the game of footy. And a lot of these 'Thugs' are more qualified than most people in the country. It's incredibly difficult to get a foreign degree acknowledged in this country, let alone get a job when you have a foreign name and thick accent.

 

[Ron The Bear]

What a great umpire Williamson is. Handled that perfectly.

I don't rate his umpiring but yeah, he did well.

 

[Spuddigger]

I suggest those of you that are feeling intimidated get along to an A League game to see what the future may hold.

No thanks ! Compared to this they get away with murder.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Unfortunately some people don't get it and need to be told how to act. Having said that, the recent push by the AFL for crowd control is ridiculous. But it's the AFL, not the poor blokes trying to follow instructions. Training is required - these would be security contractors sent to the Footy game with little or no training, who are used to blindly following instructions. The fact their English is poor is irrelevant, as is understanding the game of footy. And a lot of these 'Thugs' are more qualified than most people in the country. It's incredibly difficult to get a foreign degree acknowledged in this country, let alone get a job when you have a foreign name and thick accent.

The easiest way around untrained guards etc, is to simply work together as a society, realise everyone needs to.put bread on the table, and so just help each other out by respecting everyone's jobs and rights. Do we really need to defend our impulsive need to blurt out expletives to the point where we are creating this massive issue where people jobs are being put at risk, and culture is being brought up. All for what? The want to be a dickkhead at the footy. Just help each other out, go to the footy and don't give a reason for anyone to kick you out so that you can enjoy the game and the guards can go home without having to worry about doing anything. It's not that hard.

 

[Spuddigger]

What if that security guard was at a boxing match?
I didn’t react like the Foxtel panel, I laughed when I seen it. It’s hilarious.
But in all seriousness there is nothing to stop the Police coming onto the ground if it’s a king hit, ie Barry Hall. And I hope they do one day.

There,s another thug that got away with it. Should have been locked up.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The security guard running into the ground wasn't an example of having no idea, nor trying to impose rules. He was just a standard security guard who was only there to make a bit of coin who was faced with a situation normally seen in his job where he made a split second judgement to break up a scuffle. The comments regarding his culture are irrelevant and plain ignorant.

Come on, you don't see coppers running onto the ground in that situation. He lacked comprehension.

 

[Spuddigger]

The easiest way around untrained guards etc, is to simply work together as a society, realise everyone needs to.put bread on the table, and so just help each other out by respecting everyone's jobs and rights. Do we really need to defend our impulsive need to blurt out expletives to the point where we are creating this massive issue where people jobs are being put at risk, and culture is being brought up. All for what? The want to be a dickkhead at the footy. Just help each other out, go to the footy and don't give a reason for anyone to kick you out so that you can enjoy the game and the guards can go home without having to worry about doing anything. It's not that hard.

Are you of the clergy?

 

[Spuddigger]

Come on, you don't see coppers running onto the ground in that situation.

Give the guy a break. He was looking for shopping trolleys.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Do we really need to defend our impulsive need to blurt out expletives to the point where we are creating this massive issue where people jobs are being put at risk, and culture is being brought up.

If it's just the odd expletive then yeah, we do. You make it sound like the crowds are suddenly the problem here, not the attempted dismantling of age-old footy culture.

Prohibition didn't work and this won't fly, either.

 

[kickazz]

Something is changing in the way security are instructed to operate, and it does not involve trying to understand the game, nuance of crowd behaviour, etc. It seems to be very strict and by the book.

Even at KP. I regularly go to a bar for half time beers (one, two max. So I don't come back pissed or anything)and usually the third quarter is underway when I get back to my seat.

My normal process is to wait at the top of the aisles, standing next to a concrete wall, for a break in play, so I minimise disturbing fellow patrons. I'm not blocking anybody's view there. I can see the play.

If there is a goal, I quickly get down to my seat. If there is a mark I50, or a throw in or something, I go down to the end of my aisle, squat down, then make my way to my seat after the kick or next best break in play.

Never been a problem.

Last game there, as I'm waiting up top, the ground staff says "sorry, you can't stand here". Fair enough, they don't want people watching the game from there, there is proper standing room for that.

But my explanation for what I am doing just falls on deaf ears, with repeated responses of, "you cannot stand here". I give up and walk down to my seat, apologising for getting in everyone's way as I shuffle down the aisle.

I suppose it is a boring job and sometimes one might simply be looking for something to do or fix that just isn't there. But they are just a bit clueless.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Come on, you don't see coppers running onto the ground in that situation. He lacked comprehension.

So what. He was confused. He might not have known that it's ok for players to have a biff. Why are you so offended for, did it hurt you feelings that bad? He went to run on then realised he should and went back to his spot. What's the issue here? And these are the same people complaining that people get offended by everything. Yet here you are getting cut at something that caused no issue what so ever.

 

[Hawthorn United]

This is astounding. It says more about the training security personnel receive or their recruitment methods.

At the cricket, security usually sits with their back to the game facing the fans to look for potential trouble in the stands.

Why isn't this one doing the same? It's not his jurisdiction to sort out the onfield shenanigans.

 

[zyzzbruh]

If it's just the odd expletive then yeah, we do. You make it sound like the crowds are suddenly the problem here, not the attempted dismantling of age-old footy culture.

Prohibition didn't work and this won't fly, either.

You're making it as of the expletive part of so called footy culture is something to be proud of and must be preserved. If you want to swear then go for it, but ask yourself if it's really that necessary and worth adding to a cultural divide and society bashing for the sake of the satisfaction you get for blurting out an expletive. It was ok to have an Aboriginal as a slave 100 years ago. That was part of the culture. Why didn't we preserve that aswell then?

 

[Ron The Bear]

You're making it as of the expletive part of so called footy culture is something to be proud of and must be preserved. If you want to swear then go for it, but ask yourself if it's really that necessary and worth adding to a cultural divide and society bashing for the sake of the satisfaction you get for blurting out an expletive. It was ok to have an Aboriginal as a slave 100 years ago. That was part of the culture. Why didn't we preserve that aswell then?

You can hear far worse at any lefty comedy night.

Back down or lose your customers. They are customers, you know. Not slaves.

 

[zyzzbruh]

If it's just the odd expletive then yeah, we do. You make it sound like the crowds are suddenly the problem here, not the attempted dismantling of age-old footy culture.

Prohibition didn't work and this won't fly, either.

And there's no actual crackdown. Security guard being involved in the odd incident has been happening at most games for the past 20 years. The difference now is people feel the need to jump on a.social bandwagon of people not wanting to be told what to do. And social media has given that platform to everyone which is why it's all of a sudden a big issue. There's no crackdown. But it's getting to the point where social media critics are so rife that the AFL has a responsibilty to protect people who don't want to be a part of that.

 

[Godfather32]

So what. He was confused. He might not have known that it's ok for players to have a biff. Why are you so offended for, did it hurt you feelings that bad? He went to run on then realised he should and went back to his spot. What's the issue here? And these are the same people complaining that people get offended by everything. Yet here you are getting cut at something that caused no issue what so ever.

He didn't realise that he shouldn't run on, he was told not to run on by an umpire. Imagine if he'd gone to pull one of the guys off the other and injured them.

 

[Dentshop]

Why is telling the truth or stating a fact racist?

It isn't for me. I don't believe in racism or any other appeals to lefty religions.

 

[Ron The Bear]

And there's no actual crackdown. Security guard being involved in the odd incident has been happening at most games for the past 20 years. The difference now is people feel the need to jump on a.social bandwagon of people not wanting to be told what to do. And social media has given that platform to everyone which is why it's all of a sudden a big issue. There's no crackdown. But it's getting to the point where social media critics are so ride that the AFL has a responsibilty to protect people who don't want to be a part of that.

Same absolute crock of shit that is coming from the AFL.

The public owns a slice of the game. And we can cash out at any time.

 

[zyzzbruh]

You can hear far worse at any lefty comedy night.

Back down or lose your customers. They are customers, you know. Not slaves.

The difference is people go to a comedy night to actually see and experience that. 90% of people go to the footy to just watch the game and don't appreciate knob jockeys blurting expletives. It's uncomfortable for parents to sit through it with their kids, and kids often feel uncomfortable withe aggression. Society is moving forward, can't just expect to accept abuse at a footy game.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

This is now morphing into an excuse for morons to attack brown security guards and whinge about immigration.

How disappointing.

 

[kickazz]

So what. He was confused. He might not have known that it's ok for players to have a biff. Why are you so offended for, did it hurt you feelings that bad? He went to run on then realised he should and went back to his spot. What's the issue here? And these are the same people complaining that people get offended by everything. Yet here you are getting cut at something that caused no issue what so ever.

No this is a big issue. It shows that some training is required here for an important job.

This man's job, broadly, is crowd control. If anything, a barny between players near the boundary means it is probably MORE likely there'll be a crowd incident / escalation nearby (fight, language, throwing something into the field, etc). This security guy was not watching the crowd at the time, so would have been on the back foot if there was an issue, and also not able to provide a proper eyewitness account of any potential incident.

It was more than a mistake, it was a fundamental misunderstanding of his job.