Autopsy Round 16, 2019: North Melbourne v St.Kilda *BILLINGS' 100TH*

[triggering bro]

Contracts mean SFA, just ask Ryan Burton.

If we could get good first rounders for either of these two I would do it, take the risk. They are good players but they are not game breakers and we need a game breaker or two, because of our sh#t drafting last 6 years we need to take risks now. We need a team that can win a flag, not finish 8th.

The draft is a lottery & we don’t have the pillars in place to gamble on our better players. We are not Hawthorn.

This year we will add another top 5 pick plus probably a top 20 pick for Jack Steven. Additionally, Max King & Bytel next year will be like two new recruits.

You could say we are already hitting the draft & implementing rebuild 2.0 without coming out & saying it.

 

[Premium]

Wouldn’t be quick to trade Coff either just yet.

Coffield is still 19 , kid will be a player / every game he will get better - seasons gone , just play for development

 

[saintsaints]

Has the coach been sacked yet.? He is one of the worst I've seen. Completely out done by Shaw.

 

[Premium]

Remember you can't rebuild a team which 3/4s of the squad is under 25 and 9 guys today had not played over 26 games.

 

[triggering bro]

The coaches message was depressing. Cho is looking like Colonel Walter E Kurtz.

 

[Yawkey way]

Billings & Gresham just re-signed so they are effectively untouchables.

Trading someone like Clark would just be silly so he’s a keeper.

Battle as an up & coming elite defender you don’t just trade away.

Funnily enough, I would trade Carlisle & Bruce for the right price. Probably Membrey as well.

I think we need to see this list perform under a new system though. We might find a few hidden gems.

Gresham is an A grade small forward we’ve seen this already, battle has come on in leaps and bounds etc. it’s some of the guys who haven’t regularly produced to the required standard who need to go.

 

[Premium]

I'm pissed don't worry about that , but please realize our side is just to young and not having a leader is killing us.
We get our couple good mids and this loss would not of happened.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Bloody hell, l just saw the coaches leave the pub and wasn't quick enough to cobble together a witty spray. You'd reckon they know what kents means, right??

 

[Ricmel]

The draft is a lottery & we don’t have the pillars in place to gamble on our better players. We are not Hawthorn.

This year we will add another top 5 pick plus probably a top 20 pick for Jack Steven. Additionally, Max King & Bytel next year will be like two new recruits.

You could say we are already hitting the draft & implementing rebuild 2.0 without coming out & saying it.

Obviously even if we wanted to we can’t turn over the whole list. But Marshall, King, Carlisle, Membrey, Bruce, Battle - there is your spine - and a good one.

We dont have a game breaker, we don’t even have an a grader in the mids. If Billings can get you Coniglio or Kelly or the like then do it. Outside the players I named, no one should be off the table.

 

[Mowman]

Bloody hell, l just saw the coaches leave the pub and wasn't quick enough to cobble together a witty spray. You'd reckon they know what kents means, right??

was this before or after the game

 

[BrutThough]

Just some perspective on where we are sitting right now compared to the rest of the competition. Here is a table with the average age and games of all the teams that played this weekend, and the breakdown of the games played from the players in the side. The sides in yellow are the sides currently in the top eight.



Some observations from these numbers:
- we were the least experienced side this week and the second youngest (2 months older than GC)
- we have the least amount go players who have played 150 games or more (that will go up next week with Newnes hitting that mark and Hannebery back in)
- equal most players under 50 games with Sydney and GC
- all sides in the top 8 have an average age of over 25yr 2m.
- all sides in the top 8 have an average games of 95.9 or over
- all sides in the top 8, except GWS, have at least 5 players with over 150 games. GWS only have 3 but have more players in the 100+ game range.
- Brisbane is A LOT older and more experienced than advertised. Their rise shouldn't be a surprise when you look at their current demographic.
- Sydney are much younger than expected, also fielding a lot of younger players which explains their up and down form this year.
- Hawthorn is the only team with over 100 games average experience not in the top 8 which is worrying for them

We are in full development mode right now. We don't have the players or experience to compete with the top teams right now. Our demographics compare with Gold Coast right now, which shows how far from being completive we are right now. This doesn't excuse our poor effort too frequently in games but it does help explain why we look rushed with the ball and easily pushed around - we don't have the experience to handle the pressure well for four quarter and are physically smaller than our opposition.

The good news is our new coach will get a group which has already dropped and is ready to rise up since a lot of the leg work has already occurred.

 

[Saint Shags]

The coaches message was depressing. Cho is looking like Colonel Walter E Kurtz.

The uncle and I both made the comment that he knows. Seemed a struggle for him to even pretend.

 

[BrutThough]

Coffield must play till the end of the season.
Parker needs a rest.

Parker for Lonie and we will be a much better side.

 

[Mowman]

The uncle and I both made the comment that he knows. Seemed a struggle for him to even pretend.

Where is this cant find it

 

[SufferingS8INT]

Out: Ross Dmac Parker Battle
In: Langlands White Lonie Brown

Brown ahead if Marsh for this week as he is good against Hawkins

 

[Saint Shags]

Just some perspective on where we are sitting right now compared to the rest of the competition. Here is a table with the average age and games of all the teams that played this weekend, and the breakdown of the games played from the players in the side. The sides in yellow are the sides currently in the top eight.

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Some observations from these numbers:
- we were the least experienced side this week and the second youngest (2 months older than GC)
- we have the least amount go players who have played 150 games or more (that will go up next week with Newnes hitting that mark and Hannebery back in)
- equal most players under 50 games with Sydney and GC
- all sides in the top 8 have an average age of over 25yr 2m.
- all sides in the top 8 have an average games of 95.9 or over
- all sides in the top 8, except GWS, have at least 5 players with over 150 games. GWS only have 3 but have more players in the 100+ game range.
- Brisbane is A LOT older and more experienced than advertised. Their rise shouldn't be a surprise when you look at their current demographic.
- Sydney are much younger than expected, also fielding a lot of younger players which explains their up and down form this year.
- Hawthorn is the only team with over 100 games average experience not in the top 8 which is worrying for them

Pointed this out earlier in the year but that counts for nothing really.

To be honest I was surprised so many thought we were a chance against the Lions. It's as if because they are North people don't watch them. But they are a very good team with great balance. Not only do they have youngsters the also have the older blokes like Hodge Christensen Martin Robinson Zorko to finish it off.

But there is effort and then there is effort. And our boys aren't giving it their all 100% and that's not just down to experience.

 

[triggering bro]

Obviously even if we wanted to we can’t turn over the whole list. But Marshall, King, Carlisle, Membrey, Bruce, Battle - there is your spine - and a good one.

We dont have a game breaker, we don’t even have an a grader in the mids. If Billings can get you Coniglio or Kelly or the like then do it. Outside the players I named, no one should be off the table.

Cogs is a free agent so we wouldn’t need to trade anyway. Kelly just re-signed. And generally speaking, we are not getting that type of marquee player through the door so if we trade Billings & Gresh it’s for draft picks so it’s still a firm no from me.

 

[Saint Shags]

Where is this cant find it

Just been posted to the Saints App in the last 20

 

[Human Person]

I haven’t seen the game yet, but the melts are teaching me what I need to know before I watch the replay.

Just letting you guys know that I appreciate you.

 

[BigMonty]

Where were we in the first quarter? Seems like we turned up playing netball. Roos played with intensity for a whole game us for 3 quarters.
Game Over Season Over. Some Players Careers almost over. Head Coach career OVER..

Josh Bruce for co captain with Jarryn Geary next year.

Long not enough from you Lonie in next week and White for Battle

Carlisle getting better as game went on as it Hunter Clark...he will be a beauty.

Question marks over Paton Savage McKenzie Sinclair Newnes Long and Parker. Seriously we cannot win with more than 3 playing.

Put in Webster, Lonie, Hannas, Steven and Geary and we look a lot better. In reality add in an A grade midfielder like a Ziebell or Cunnington and we are a competitive unit.

Look as I see it in reality Acres Ross Dunstan Steele Membrey are GOF that's all. Good days bad days but we know what we get. Ross had a stinker and looks lost at the moment.

Billings and Gresham are almost elite.

So impressed with Bruce...he stood up in when no-one else seemed interested. We would have been so far off the pace without him.

Put King in next year and who knows ...add some belief that a new coach brings.... find an A grade mid somewhere and we will be sooo much better.

 

[plugger66]

I haven’t seen the game yet, but the melts are teaching me what I need to know before I watch the replay.

Just letting you guys know that I appreciate you.

I certainly wouldn’t be watching it.

 

[Ricmel]

Cogs is a free agent so we wouldn’t need to trade anyway. Kelly just re-signed. And generally speaking, we are not getting that type of marquee player through the door so if we trade Billings & Gresh it’s for draft picks so it’s still a firm no from me.

Cool. This group has been great to watch anyway so let’s go a few more years with them. Another 4 years of top draft picks and we should be back challenging for 8th spot.

 

[VDS66]

Problem is that our bottom 6 contains 12 players...

 

[SufferingS8INT]

Did anyone notice in the coaches msg Richo kept tapping the phone? It was Morse code for ‘I’m ****ed’

 

[malevu]

The good news is we are closer to securing a top three pick in the draft. Should come in the next week or two.

Trouble is we'll use it on a diabetic, recovering drug addict who's just getting over his second ACL and who's due to front court over a sex offence... oh, but he shows plenty of promise if we can just "rebuild" him. And if by a miracle he can actually play in the midfield after 3 years building his tank in the VFL, we'll just play him at Half Back.

Sam Walsh, Connor Rozee, Sydney Stack, Xavier Duursma, Bailey Smith, Zac Butters, Nick Blakey, Jordan Clark etc etc all say hello.