Our next coach

[Beer n Skittles]

Well I think our fanbase isn't stupid.

For a long time fans were crying out for players like Ed, Jack and Gibbons to be playing more midfield yet Bolton didn't make those moves until it was too late.

Fans could see that just bombing it long into the forward line with our forward set up was a terrible strategy.

I do think it was the constant backlash from fans on social media and at games that saw Bolton removed as coach.

Short of having a Carlton Supporters Group that represents the members and fans the avenue of using social media to have our voices heard.

I expect a decent crowd this week for the GC game as the fans are right behind a Teague lead club for now.

Last call our fanbase made re. coaching was to sack Rattan for Malthouse

 

[HARKER]

I think Roos' record speaks for itself. You can't have enough footy smarts in the coaching box.

Yes you can. Too many cooks and all that.

Not too long ago, we were saying that one year out of football is an eternity.
Of course there is respect for Roos from our executive, but I wonder whether we'd simply be going down another messiah path.

You want to look at recent history, then look at Melbourne.
How much value can we apportion to Roos for what he set up there now? Roos was 2018 but not 2019?

Anyway, we'll get whatever we get and whatever we deserve.

 

[branedotorg]

I think Roos' record speaks for itself. You can't have enough footy smarts in the coaching box.

not a huge fan of his style but his experience is way more relevant than walls for example.

 

[branedotorg]

One of the problems with Roos is that he's indicated he doesn't want a full time role.
I get the impression he'd be happy to float in and out as he sees fit. This cannot work.

Float in for what? Impart some magical words? Instruct the coach as to how to go about his job?
Why on earth would we require a part-timer 'mentor'? For commercial and profile reasons I understand but cannot agree with.

Unless this possible Roos role is fully explained, it just sounds like another recipe for disaster, to me.

Leigh Matthews was talking about it on sunday on 7, pretty much said Roos was trying to get a job at carlton, said he wanted to be 'an old fashioned chairman of selctors' rather than a coach.

 

[Bostonian]

Last call our fanbase made re. coaching was to sack Rattan for Malthouse

And how many senior coaching positions and flags has Ratten won since then?

Some coaches are just better at being assistant coaches.

 

[branedotorg]

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[blue healer]

Yes you can. Too many cooks and all that.

Not too long ago, we were saying that one year out of football is an eternity.
Of course there is respect for Roos from our executive, but I wonder whether we'd simply be going down another messiah path.

You want to look at recent history, then look at Melbourne.
How much value can we apportion to Roos for what he set up there now? Roos was 2018 but not 2019?

Anyway, we'll get whatever we get and whatever we deserve.

I'm a long way from a fan of Roos but you, yourself, proposed that we need someone with a high profile. There are few higher profiles in the game than Roos.

I would be aghast at a Roos/Voss appointment but primarily because of the Voss component.

The main thing for me in a Roos/Teague appointment is that Teague, himself, must be fully supportive and committed and the lines of delineation are fully spelt out.

I might be a bit blinkered on this but I really want Teague and if this is what's needed to make it happen then I'm on board.

 

[Bostonian]

God help businesses that form key decisions based on social media comments....

The board will appoint the right person. I'm all for fan engagement however I don' think scrolling through facebook posts are going to have an impact on the decision, nor should they.

I think you're wrong there.

We see all the time in this day and age businesses pulling campaigns or backflips on positions when a backlash comes via social media.

It's a modern day tool that provides vast amounts of free market research and clubs would monitor social media all the time for it.

The board can go appoint someone like Voss or Scott but they do so knowing the coach won't be starting off with overwhelming support from the fans and the minute the club isn't succeeding the fans will turn on them.

 

[Nori]

My opinion on the coaching is appointment is Teague stays (having played under him once before I know he is a sensational tactical coach and bonds well with his players) and Roos as director of coaching.

I could live with that, but I'd really like to know what the Director of Coaching roles involves. If it's a big picture type role that includes the oversight of the Northern Blues and Development Academy combined with more player specific programs from specialist coaches then that would most likely be a good thing. As would 'some' level of mentoring for the coaching staff to ensure they are developing their skills and expertise appropriately and working smoothly as a group.

If it's more focused on the day to day and week to week activities of the senior team then that will most likely be counter productive.

 

[Stamos]

One of the problems with Roos is that he's indicated he doesn't want a full time role.
I get the impression he'd be happy to float in and out as he sees fit. This cannot work.

Float in for what? Impart some magical words? Instruct the coach as to how to go about his job?
Why on earth would we require a part-timer 'mentor'? For commercial and profile reasons I understand but cannot agree with.

Unless this possible Roos role is fully explained, it just sounds like another recipe for disaster, to me.

Sounds like someone wants a paycheck and some kudos without the commitment and accountability.

 

[Nori]

Last call our fanbase made re. coaching was to sack Rattan for Malthouse

No, that decision was definitely driven by the board. There was never much love for Malthouse.

 

[blue healer]

Sounds like someone wants a paycheck and some kudos without the commitment and accountability.

Fair to say this was reasonably evident at Melbourne when he regularly referred to the impact of their previous tanking mentality, but he was the head coach there and that wouldn't be the case here.

It would always be the fault of the coach.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Roos may be this and may be that.
But what he definitely is by all his words and actions over time is a Carlton hater.
I wouldnt trust that not to get in the way.

 

[Crippa#9]

I think you're wrong there.

We see all the time in this day and age businesses pulling campaigns or backflips on positions when a backlash comes via social media.

It's a modern day tool that provides vast amounts of free market research and clubs would monitor social media all the time for it.

The board can go appoint someone like Voss or Scott but they do so knowing the coach won't be starting off with overwhelming support from the fans and the minute the club isn't succeeding the fans will turn on them.

I never said business don't do it.
My point is I would be disappointed if the board (informed) would be making decisions based on social media comments (uninformed). It's very simple. This is not a populist vote. I would hope that the board show genuine leadership in this appointment process. Gather the facts and be unanimous in their decision ....not simply make a call on popular/non popular opinion of social media.

 

[HARKER]

I'm a long way from a fan of Roos but you, yourself, proposed that we need someone with a high profile. There are few higher profiles in the game than Roos.
I would be aghast at a Roos/Voss appointment but primarily because of the Voss component.
The main thing for me in a Roos/Teague appointment is that Teague, himself, must be fully supportive and committed and the lines of delineation are fully spelt out.
I might be a bit blinkered on this but I really want Teague and if this is what's needed to make it happen then I'm on board.

You're no more blinkered than enlightened on this topic anymore than most of us are.

I can understand us reaching for Clarkson as coach, as acquiring him gives the whole club immediate credibility.
Roos wouldn't be to that level but he does give us a face/a profile if he was to be coach, but that's not what he wants to do. What does he want to do and are we seriously contemplating siding with his wants over our needs?

The CFC did make the first step to Roos so maybe he does have the upper hand and maybe I may be too harsh on him without knowing exactly as to what capacity he may yet engage in with the CFC. Mentoring though shouldn't be that role.

 

[blue healer]

Roos may be this and may be that.
But what he definitely is by all his words and actions over time is a Carlton hater.
I wouldnt trust that not to get in the way.

Probably wouldn't worry about that too much.

Seems Clarkson was our primary target what do you think he feels about us?

 

[resolute_blue]

Retain Teaguey + sign Cogs = 17. It's just basic grade one stuff...

 

[Blue and Blue]

I never said business don't do it.
My point is I would be disappointed if the board (informed) would be making decisions based on social media comments (uninformed). It's very simple.

I would think its about being more in tune with a groundswell of sentiment rather than comments in isolation.
And nowhere gives a more accurate or profound feedback these days.

 

[Bostonian]

I never said business don't do it.
My point is I would be disappointed if the board (informed) would be making decisions based on social media comments (uninformed). It's very simple.

Given Judd's recent efforts I have no great faith in this board getting us the best coach. Doesn't sound like they are even all on the same page.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Probably wouldn't worry about that too much.

Seems Clarkson was our primary target what do you think he feels about us?

Clarkson likes Carlton. Except when his job is to beat us.

 

[F_therest]

Those still thinking Hinkley would be a good option for Carlton might want to read comments post Brisbane game on the Sack Hinkley thread.

and what freo supporters think of Lyon

 

[Crashy]

I’d be shattered if we signed Hinkley, he is stubborn and arrogant

 

[slashin_velvet]

Need a Neil Craig type pls.

End of last year I would have tried to get McCartney from Melbourne as they were on that upwards projection, but now I'm not so sure if he's the right guy. Neil Craig was a good development coach and mentor for Bolton....think we need similar for Teague - who seems to be good with the players and have the right game day tactical nous.

 

[slashin_velvet]

When you look at where the letters are in the alphabet:
T = 20
E = 5
A = 1
G = 7
U = 21
E = 5

T + E + A + G - U + E = 17
Coincidence?????

 

[Beer n Skittles]

And how many senior coaching positions and flags has Ratten won since then?

Some coaches are just better at being assistant coaches.

Yes it was a roaring success