News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[Thetrader15]

Its an interesting scenario for the Suns, do they want to be competitive and play finals sooner and mean something short term by getting the Crouch bros for a solid 5-6 years or do they take the draft route and risk it all and end up losing those players to Victoria in 2 years time.

The lottery-win package the AFL gifted them is incentive to go the draft route rather than going for a quick elevation in performance, so if I was them, I'd be going the draft for 3 years and then going for improvement.

You never know, the AFL might give them a couple more picks if they are rubbish again next year

 

[DangerSloane]

First poster to mention David Mackay this morning in this thread? DangerSloane so take it up with him

Yes blame me for your years-long personal vendetta.
He's a good looking guy, I really dont blame her.

 

[Thetrader15]

Barrett clearly doesn't look at club lists before he runs off at the mouth, Port have no small forwards coming through......Boyd Woodcock is a very, very good natural small forward prospect Purple.

Neither does Chris Davies - 'we see Dougal Howard more as a forward than defender'

Forwards: Dixon, Watts, Marshall, Westhoff, Lycett

Defenders: Clurey, Jonas....

 

[Vader]

Am I the only one hoping we can extract a future 2nd rounder from someone in this trade period? A bit worried about putting all our eggs in one basket (this years draft) and it's nice to have some currency up our sleeve for next year.

Right now, we need to find enough decent (i.e. sub-100) draft picks with which to replace the players we're losing.

Our current draft picks are #4, #22, #28. Douglas & Otten have both been delisted, so we're getting nothing for them.

My best guess re: trading & FA compensation:
Jacobs - Band 5 compensation (pick #47) - could be nothing
CEY - Band 4 compensation (pick #39)
Betts - Pick #82
JJ - Pick #45 (or thereabouts - no club identified so far)
Greenwood - Pick #30 (approx - assuming GC trade for a pick in the 30s)
Keath - Pick #32
Knight - Pick #73

Frampton - Pick #73
Murphy - Rookie Upgrade

That's 8 players off our senior list, and 2 players onto the senior list. Note that CEY is on the rookie list. That means we require a minimum of 6 draft picks, possibly 7 or 8 if we wish to go back to a senior list of 39 or 40 players.

That leaves us with: #4, #22, #28, #30, #32, #39, (plus #45, #47 and #82).

We don't have a lot of excess draft picks to play with (e.g. by moving them to future drafts). We have even less wiggle room if we don't receive any compensation for Jacobs.

 

[Elite Crow]

You need to get over your phobia of every player that we passed on becoming a champ, Hamish can't pick them all.

Actually he can pick players if we have spots available. So did we have a spot available?

By my memory we did, I said I wished we picked him up, you said we don’t need him and yet now you are pumping him up.

 

[GROTTO]

Crouch bros + Pick 4 + 2020 1st rounder for Suns Picks 1,2 and Luko


End of rebuild.

 

[marty36]

We lose any of Brad or Matt and we consign ourselves to bottom 4 for the next 3-4 years, and we start losing players we want to keep.
They are players you build a good midfield around, Milera, Jones, McHenry, Pick,3 build a midfield, Even Game time into Wilson and Pohokle will help us
But Lose one or both Crouch brothers and we will be a basket case for years.
What we should be looking at is pushing to get a 2nd pick around 8-12 to get Kemp.

TBH

Id rather be bottom 4 and get some serious rebuild picks than keep the crouches and finish12th to 15th

Much greater upside long term

 

[1990crow]

Crouch bros + Pick 4 + 2020 1st rounder for Suns Picks 1,2 and Luko


End of rebuild.

Too much

 

[Mismatched]

Trade Whispers: Suns could deal top two picks or Jack Lukosius in mooted Crows mega-deal

Suns ready to deal top-two picks — and a mega Crows trade could be on the cards

www.foxsports.com.au

Taking my Crows supporter hat off, and my long time Gold Coast (charity) member hat on, I sincerely think trading Picks 1 and 2 for Matt and Brad would be a massive win for Gold Coast. Their biggest issue is retention, every quality, and almost every half decent, player they have drafted has knicked off. Lynch, May, Dixon, Caddy, Prestia, O'Meara, Martin, Saad, Hall, Matera and even some they've traded in like Ablett and Lyons. Why will Anderson, Rowell, Lukoscious and Ben King be any different?

What's keeping them at the football club? Ellis and Greenwood are hardly big in's and aren't going to change their fortunes any time soon. They had 4x 1st rounders a couple of years ago. Its just going to be a revolving door.

Now you could substitute the Crouch's in for 2 other genuine A-Grade mids, but the Crouch's seem the most attainable.

The Crouch's are entering their prime, both are established A-Grade mids, Matt an AA and B&F in a GF making team, Brad is likely to be B&F this year.

GC currently have no A-Grade mids. None. Greenwood I like and think he could be given opportunity, but you don't want to rely on that.

As a Crows fan I'd love Lukoscious, but from the GC perspective, you'd keep him to his contract.

Couple Witts with the Crouch brothers, Swallow, Miller and Weller and that's suddenly looking more like an AFL grade midfield. Then there's talent both forward and back.

If GC have a similar year in 2020 to their 2019, then the exodus is going to continue no matter how many talented 18 yo's they bring in.

If I were GC, I'd be at the Crows saying:
Crows in: Pick 1, Pick 2, Pick 15, Pick 55,
GC in: M.Crouch, B.Crouch, Pick 4, Greenwood, Pick 28

Improves performance next year which will help significantly with retention and still leaves them with a top 5 pick and picks in the 20's. They'll have another 1st rounder next year and will bring in a decent pick for Jack Martin.

Anyway, that's my 2 bobs on fixing the GC.

Value-wise, Matt and Brad for picks 1 and 2 (Rowell and Anderson) is a win, however I’d be scared that we’d be going down the Gold Coast/Carlton route of investing heavily in youth without putting very good, experienced bodies around them

Once Sloane gets tagged, who do you rely on?

Hopefully a resurgent Gibbs and a rampaging Milera? With a bunch of youngsters coming through the wings.

 

[Crouch#44]

it is happening

 

[Elite Crow]

Yes blame me for your years-long personal vendetta.
He's a good looking guy, I really dont blame her.

Nothing like a flog who thinks he can run with the same joke twice

 

[Mutineer]

Actually he can pick players if we have spots available. So did we have a spot available?

By my memory we did, I said I wished we picked him up, you said we don’t need him and yet now you are pumping him up.

We don't need him unless you stamp Stengle's papers, same with Fantasia, you either back Shane McAdam in or you stamp his papers too.

I think Woodcock is a better prospect than Stengle going forward personally but that's just me.

 

[jirkago]

What irritates me about the afl is that a lot has been written about BKing and that he will definitely leave next year and not a work is said about him.
Luko though is all talk, he not going anywhere and not up for trade.

At this stage in both careers, King has shown more and looks the better prospect. Luko has shown talent as well but not as much.

This is Vic rhetoric as always


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[Elite Crow]

We don't need him unless you stamp Stengle's papers, same with Fantasia, you either back Shane McAdam in or you stamp his papers too.

I think Woodcock is a better prospect than Stengle going forward personally but that's just me.

Or we could have picked both and see which worked out.

The point is we had an option to pick him but instead we passed which has been my whole point, passing on picks or saying late picks are worthless or not taking up free hits is just a dumb strategy especially given the quality of players taken over the years.

 

[Mutineer]

Or we could have picked both and see which worked out.

The point is we had an option to pick him but instead we passed which has been my whole point, passing on picks or saying late picks are worthless or not taking up free hits is just a dumb strategy especially given the quality of players taken over the years.

Yeah, let's have a list full of small/medium forwards, great list management.

 

[knobby]

GWS could yet trade for Jacobs to protect their FA compensation for Tomlinson

 

[Elite Crow]

Yeah, let's have a list full of small/medium forwards, great list management.

Who has suggested that?

And its hard to argue my main point isn’t it? You skipped over that.

 

[marvin]

We passed on a pick before Woodcock didn’t we?

No, we didn't. Port got Woodcock at 76 - our pick before that was Scholl at 64. We didn't pass on any picks last year.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Taking my Crows supporter hat off, and my long time Gold Coast (charity) member hat on, I sincerely think trading Picks 1 and 2 for Matt and Brad would be a massive win for Gold Coast. Their biggest issue is retention, every quality, and almost every half decent, player they have drafted has knicked off. Lynch, May, Dixon, Caddy, Prestia, O'Meara, Martin, Saad, Hall, Matera and even some they've traded in like Ablett and Lyons. Why will Anderson, Rowell, Lukoscious and Ben King be any different?

What's keeping them at the football club? Ellis and Greenwood are hardly big in's and aren't going to change their fortunes any time soon. They had 4x 1st rounders a couple of years ago. Its just going to be a revolving door.

Now you could substitute the Crouch's in for 2 other genuine A-Grade mids, but the Crouch's seem the most attainable.

The Crouch's are entering their prime, both are established A-Grade mids, Matt an AA and B&F in a GF making team, Brad is likely to be B&F this year.

GC currently have no A-Grade mids. None. Greenwood I like and think he could be given opportunity, but you don't want to rely on that.

As a Crows fan I'd love Lukoscious, but from the GC perspective, you'd keep him to his contract.

Couple Witts with the Crouch brothers, Swallow, Miller and Weller and that's suddenly looking more like an AFL grade midfield. Then there's talent both forward and back.

If GC have a similar year in 2020 to their 2019, then the exodus is going to continue no matter how many talented 18 yo's they bring in.

If I were GC, I'd be at the Crows saying:
Crows in: Pick 1, Pick 2, Pick 15, Pick 55,
GC in: M.Crouch, B.Crouch, Pick 4, Greenwood, Pick 28

Improves performance next year which will help significantly with retention and still leaves them with a top 5 pick and picks in the 20's. They'll have another 1st rounder next year and will bring in a decent pick for Jack Martin.

Anyway, that's my 2 bobs on fixing the GC.



Hopefully a resurgent Gibbs and a rampaging Milera? With a bunch of youngsters coming through the wings.

I believe the AFL woukd support GC trading pick 1 and 2 for established stars

If GC go to the draft with pick 1 and 2 they risk losing the young talent back to Vic in 2 years

However if they use thes picks on quality establish players on 5-6 year deals this could actually be a better outcome for club and the AFL

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[Elite Crow]

No, we didn't. Port got Woodcock at 76 - our pick before that was Scholl at 64. We didn't pass on any picks last year.

Where are you finding that? If it’s on the draft results they don’t show passed picks

 

[ad victoriam]

TBH

Id rather be bottom 4 and get some serious rebuild picks than keep the crouches and finish12th to 15th

Much greater upside long term

No, because we will end up the bottom 4 for longer than most think, 5 plus years easy try keeping a team together when your losing.
We have Both Crouches and can build a midfield around them to be back competing in 2-3 years,
We got some good selection in 2018
And we have some good picks this year and the ability to get a couple of more with some astute trading, So we can get some more kids into the team and still have some decent players around them.
Next year we can get 2 x 1st rd picks as well if a few things fall our way, Borlase or Edwards at this time are not top 10, but can push into the 1st rd. Putting us into a position were may get a pick we can use before there a call on them.

No, we will be better placed Keeping both Crouches and building around them.

 

[GrommoT]

In true Victorian spirit we will get late 1st, early 2nd.

By then Crouch brothers will be playing finals footy for the Suns.

... and Dean Gore - don't forget about Dean Gore.

 

[hey shorty]

Where are you finding that? If it’s on the draft results they don’t show passed picks

Think we traded in a pick to get Sholl.

 

[Footypie32]

Right now, we need to find enough decent (i.e. sub-100) draft picks with which to replace the players we're losing.

Our current draft picks are #4, #22, #28. Douglas & Otten have both been delisted, so we're getting nothing for them.

My best guess re: trading & FA compensation:
Jacobs - Band 5 compensation (pick #47) - could be nothing
CEY - Band 4 compensation (pick #39)
Betts - Pick #82
JJ - Pick #45 (or thereabouts - no club identified so far)
Greenwood - Pick #30 (approx - assuming GC trade for a pick in the 30s)
Keath - Pick #32
Knight - Pick #73

Frampton - Pick #73
Murphy - Rookie Upgrade

That's 8 players off our senior list, and 2 players onto the senior list. Note that CEY is on the rookie list. That means we require a minimum of 6 draft picks, possibly 7 or 8 if we wish to go back to a senior list of 39 or 40 players.

That leaves us with: #4, #22, #28, #30, #32, #39, (plus #45, #47 and #82).

We don't have a lot of excess draft picks to play with (e.g. by moving them to future drafts). We have even less wiggle room if we don't receive any compensation for Jacobs.

Fair enough. I know it would be difficult. Just hoping.

 

[marty36]

No, because we will end up the bottom 4 for longer than most think, 5 plus years easy try keeping a team together when your losing.
We have Both Crouches and can build a midfield around them to be back competing in 2-3 years,
We got some good selection in 2018
And we have some good picks this year and the ability to get a couple of more with some astute trading, So we can get some more kids into the team and still have some decent players around them.
Next year we can get 2 x 1st rd picks as well if a few things fall our way, Borlase or Edwards at this time are not top 10, but can push into the 1st rd. Putting us into a position were may get a pick we can use before there a call on them.

No, we will be better placed Keeping both Crouches and building around them.

Unfortunatly it wont be a quick rebuild

Richmond entered into a 10 year blue print to get where they are

Carlton have taken a while but look like doing the same, as much as people bagged SOS their team is taking shape

2 to 3 years isn't possible without some amazing currency to bring players in with and without trading out the crouches that isn't going to happen, look at the players leaving they are worth nothing of any substance

Face facts we will go through a minimum of 5 years pain to bounce back hard, 2-3 years if you just want to be competitive