I agree they've been s**t in Melbourne, there are no excuses for being lame, and everyone is right to be disappointed. They still haven't been as lame as Vegeta is as a fan.
Best kiwi side ever to tour
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Have been savagely disappointing - led by their captain who has been pitiful with the bat.
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Williamson now averages:
30 in England
35 in India
21 in South Africa
42 in Australia (falling rapidly)
Warner averages:
26 in England
24 in India
63 in South Africa
For the amount of s**t Warner cops, Kane has to be put under the blowtorch now, especially if after Sydney he doesn’t average 40+ in any of the big 4 test nations.
30 in England
35 in India
21 in South Africa
42 in Australia (falling rapidly)
Warner averages:
26 in England
24 in India
63 in South Africa
For the amount of s**t Warner cops, Kane has to be put under the blowtorch now, especially if after Sydney he doesn’t average 40+ in any of the big 4 test nations.
Doubt it.
Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe were genuine stars.
Cannot recall rest of their team around mid 80's but Kiwis do not have two players of that standing in the team now. Boult and Williamson are very good, but Boult is no Hadlee....
Remember the population of New Zealand before you pot them too hard...
That 01-02 side got lucky with the weather, but their tactics against McGrath/Warne (refusing to play shots against them unless absolutely necessary) were OP, as were Fleming's tactics to Australia's middle order.
I still cannot believe we lost a series to them on home soil in mid 80's. The shame of it will never be removed totally.
Back then we did not have much bowling depth if Bruce Reid broke down and Craig McDemott had little help. Bowling sticks far healthier now. Cummins, Patto, Starc and Lyon.. good luck .. back then the third pacer was probably Dave Gilbert or Simon Davis...lol and the off spinner Greg Matthews... man, it was tough to live through. Our batting this era is about as poor as that era too
Back then we did not have much bowling depth if Bruce Reid broke down and Craig McDemott had little help. Bowling sticks far healthier now. Cummins, Patto, Starc and Lyon.. good luck .. back then the third pacer was probably Dave Gilbert or Simon Davis...lol and the off spinner Greg Matthews... man, it was tough to live through. Our batting this era is about as poor as that era too
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to be fair 3 of our greats had just retired in g.chappell, lillee and marsh.
we also had just lost 18 players to the rebel tour of south africa.
a nz win was their for the taking for them.
a bit like last summer for india with the absence of smith & warner.
other than that we've only lost to the windies at home (when they were a force) sth africa & england.
in hindsight now the kiwi's were probably always going to be up against it, having hardly ever played, nor won in melb & sydney.
I'm being fair.
There is no excuse to ever lose a home series on home soil to the Kiwis. Their population is less than Melbourne....
The shame of it should never be forgotten.
Kiwis were a very settled team back then. I recall thinking their team rarely changed. They had Egar and Wright opening, Reid at 3, then M.Crowe, Coney and J.Crowe. Keeper was Ian Smith, pace attack was Hadlee, Cairns and Chatfield, and the spinner was a very aggressive John Bracewell. That team would have eaten their current team alive.
Yep, was about the best of their small nation I can recall. Edgar and Wright were a good opening outfit. Martin Crowe world class bat and Hadlee one of handful of best bowlers in Test cricket ever. John Bracewell as off spinner certainly more penetrating than Santner. Martin Snedden was one of those typicall annoying Kiwi seamers around that time too. The key was Hadlee as he was good enough to sometimes pull off upset win against much larger cricketing nations.
Ok, Williamson is s**t.
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100% this
The current team may have bigger "stars" (see Williamson, Taylor, Boult and Southee) but that team of the early noughties was a complete team where everyone did well consistently. Was bad timing they ran into one of the greatest test teams ever when they came across the ditch. Even did well to tie the series iirc(?)
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What I would have given to see Bond and Boult opening the bowling for NZ...
Absolutely pathetic from these guys. Williamson has been upto sweet FA, abysmal captaincy from him and brain-dead batting, best batsman in our history my a$#! Team has served up absolute garbage this series, they should be completely ashamed of themselves. Have let the country down badly. Pretty much undone all the goodwill they have gained over the past several years. 
Williamson has had two poor games, give it a rest.
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Take out blow ins, Australia's would be about the same.
If this was a good chance to win a Test series in Australia for them then it is safe to say New Zealand won't be winning here anytime soon.
Taylor 35
Wagner 33
Watling 34
Southee 31
Boult 30
de Grandhomme 33
Even Williamson will be around 33/34 years old next time they tour.
Taylor 35
Wagner 33
Watling 34
Southee 31
Boult 30
de Grandhomme 33
Even Williamson will be around 33/34 years old next time they tour.
Enormously disappointing, certainly been put back in their place. Didn't have Boult for two tests but to be honest, apart from one ball, he didn't look like he was going to do anything. Didn't expect them to win but expected them to be a hell of a lot more competitive.
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About 6 times the population of New Zealand...
Grade 4 maths could do with repeating..
