List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Watch

[JasRulz63]

Current no. of players on the list
Senior list - 34 (2-4 free*)
Rookie (Cat A) - 4 (0-2 free*)
Rookie (Cat B) - 2 (0 free)
Maximum list size of 44. Up to 36-38 senior list, 4-6 category A rookie list and 2 category B rookie list.
* Total of four list spots available, with a minimum of 2 senior list spots needing to be utilised.

List changes
IN: Daniher, Cockatoo, Uosis (R)
OUT: Christensen, Wooller, Allison (R), Skinner (R), Eagles (R), C. Lyons (R), Martin, Witherden, Cox, Hinge.
PROMOTED: Fullarton.
ROOKIED: Birchall, Mathieson, Ballendan.

Current picks
25, 53, 58, 69, 70
(2021 - 1st (MEL), 1st, 3rd (WCE), 3rd, 4th (MEL), 4th (COLL), 5th)

Spoiler: 2020 draft order

Useful links
2020 trade news compendium
List changes, contract status and key dates
2020 draft discussion thread

 

[briztoon]

Hi everyone, sorry to intrude, especially if the below has already been asked by someone else.

Keen on your thoughts as to what Martin has left in the tank.

We are desperate to support English. Do you think Martin is a good fit in this role for the next year or two? What are his strengths?

Thanks so much for your insights!

He might have half a season left in him.

Can’t play forward, so either English goes forward, or it’s one on the bench and one on the field.

 

[BRAB]

Hi everyone, sorry to intrude, especially if the below has already been asked by someone else.

Keen on your thoughts as to what Martin has left in the tank.

We are desperate to support English. Do you think Martin is a good fit in this role for the next year or two? What are his strengths?

Thanks so much for your insights!

Honestly mate he really seemed over the hill this year. Was injured though.

He is at his best in the #1 ruck role. Never liked him as a Forward-Ruck, so if he’s coming in to support English I’m not sure if it’d work.

Hope I‘m wrong and Martin plays some good footy for the Dogs, but I really think he’s cooked sadly.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Hi everyone, sorry to intrude, especially if the below has already been asked by someone else.

Keen on your thoughts as to what Martin has left in the tank.

We are desperate to support English. Do you think Martin is a good fit in this role for the next year or two? What are his strengths?

Thanks so much for your insights!

A more professional player you wont find. He has been studying law he aint no dummy, he is dedicated, intelligent, a clean skin, trains hard, looks after himself. A very good guy to have around younger players when you talk of role models. What's left in the tank? well Hodge retired and came back for 2 years and did well managed through those years. Steph could well be the same, playing the games against opposition with monster/good rucks and not travelling when the opposition have lesser rucks.

It was probably the case that Steph sat down with coach Fagan and said, "Hey ****, with Daniher coming and helping out in the ruck in the forward line, ala Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

35

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

, in all honesty do you see me running onto the ground in the grand final". Fagan says, "In all honesty with everyone fit, you not there". Steph is thinking retirement is close, he has had a chat with Hodgy and he thinks he can get a bit extra in the retirement fund. I think the Doggies will be very happy with him and you wont find a Lions supporter that has a bad word about him. Yep we do think he is not much use in the forward half unless you have someone running around him taking his shots at goal but he does get some good marks down there.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Considering the president of the Bulldogs is senior partner of a very successful law firm it provides Martin with a brilliant opportunity to set himself up for his post football career.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Considering the president of the Bulldogs is senior partner of a very successful law firm it provides Martin with a brilliant opportunity to set himself up for his post football career.

He's now at his own smaller firm, left Slater & Gordon a couple of years back.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

He's now at his own smaller firm, left Slater & Gordon a couple of years back.

Yep, Peter Gordon is still a big name in workplace injury litigation

Peter Gordon

gordonlegal.com.au

 

[spotthedog1]

Just to further answer the original question:
Biggest strength is his work around the ground. He was Grundy before Grundy was Grundy. Pops up as an extra midfielder and grabs a few marks per game. His disposal by foot lets him down, but he knows it, so he's always happy to look for the handball to the halfback running past.

Loves his guns, benches a tonne, puts in the work off-field and loved by the team and the fans. One of the good guys.

Others have said that he is not a ruck/fwd, and that he's declining now, and they're right... but still, he's got a bit of the Ben Hudson

Ben Hudson

Age

45

Ht

199cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

9.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

17.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.4

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

3.8

3star

HO

9.8

5star

about him. Great tutor for a young player, could work really well for young Tim.

 

[cotter101]

If Stef had much left in the tank, we’d be keeping him for a premiership tilt. I personally hope he goes to the Dogs and proves me wrong.

Used to see his dad at the local quite a bit watching our games. The whole family is very talented.

 

[ScottyDogg]

Just to further answer the original question:
Biggest strength is his work around the ground. He was Grundy before Grundy was Grundy. Pops up as an extra midfielder and grabs a few marks per game. His disposal by foot lets him down, but he knows it, so he's always happy to look for the handball to the halfback running past.

Loves his guns, benches a tonne, puts in the work off-field and loved by the team and the fans. One of the good guys.

Others have said that he is not a ruck/fwd, and that he's declining now, and they're right... but still, he's got a bit of the Ben Hudson

Ben Hudson

Age

45

Ht

199cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

9.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

17.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.4

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

3.8

3star

HO

9.8

5star

about him. Great tutor for a young player, could work really well for young Tim.

Thanks for all the insights! I tend to think his impact on field may be limited but hope he may be transformational for Tim as a mentor, coach and training partner. Our lack of Senior leaders has been a huge problem and it sounds like he Will have an impact in that space.

 

[mpal6]

Thanks for all the insights! I tend to think his impact on field may be limited but hope he may be transformational for Tim as a mentor, coach and training partner. Our lack of Senior leaders has been a huge problem and it sounds like he Will have an impact in that space.

Don't let Stef go anywhere near forward line. If he manages to clunk that mark accidentally, just make sure your smalls are all running past every 10 seconds. He'll hand it off for sure

 

[The Zork]

Martin lacks the real consistent contested marking game and being a threat down forward but what he’s good at in my mind is he doesn’t get dominated all that often, at least he didn’t seem like he did.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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Can I assume that we will be offering that future 3rd for Cockatoo?
To me this seems like it was driven by Melbourne.
Based on this years ladder positions it is basically
picks 43 & 69 next year for picks 53 & 46 (next year)

As for other pick swaps.
I think we should at look at picks 7 & 48 from Ess for picks 18 & 19

We have the same problem as you in that we are tight for list spots and the fringe guys we might like to move are contracted. So we have probably said we would prefer a 40s/50s pick next year rather than this year so id expect the trade to be a future 3rd/4th.

 

[M Malice]

Hi everyone, sorry to intrude, especially if the below has already been asked by someone else.

Keen on your thoughts as to what Martin has left in the tank.

We are desperate to support English. Do you think Martin is a good fit in this role for the next year or two? What are his strengths?

Thanks so much for your insights!

Stef is cooked IMO, turns 34 in a couple of weeks although for your and Stef's sake I hope he has a good season or 2 at the Dogs.

 

[JasRulz63]

We have the same problem as you in that we are tight for list spots and the fringe guys we might like to move are contracted. So we have probably said we would prefer a 40s/50s pick next year rather than this year so id expect the trade to be a future 3rd/4th.

Out future third makes sense I think.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Out future third makes sense I think.

Which we got from Melb so probably an upgrade on the third rounder we traded.

 

[lioninthesand]

Thanks for all the insights! I tend to think his impact on field may be limited but hope he may be transformational for Tim as a mentor, coach and training partner. Our lack of Senior leaders has been a huge problem and it sounds like he Will have an impact in that space.

He is a good clubman, don't really see him.as a coaching type. Great bloke though.

 

[briztoon]

Which we got from Melb so probably an upgrade on the third rounder we traded.

We have both our future third and Melbourne’s future third as trade collateral.

We traded our current third and future fourth.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Out future third makes sense I think.

I think thats fair.

 

[jjami15]

IMO the notion moving up is hopium at best unless there was a nudge/wink with Essendon in regards to Daniher's contract. As much as I would like Carlton to do it I can’t see it. I do believe that Saad is not a top ten pick but Bombers sell high and buy low.

 

[BangyBangy]

IMO the notion moving up is hopium at best unless there was a nudge/wink with Essendon in regards to Daniher's contract. As much as I would like Carlton to do it I can’t see it. I do believe that Saad is not a top ten pick but Bombers sell high and buy low.

Yeah but Essendon aren't really in the drivers seat here, same as with the Fantasia trade. They can put out whatever demands they want in the media, and it makes a good click bait story, but the only thing they can do is accept whatever Carlton are prepared to trade or let him walk for nothing.

In the hypothetical situation where Carlton prefer to trade pick 8 to us for 18 & 19 rather than try to work out a deal with Essendon involving pick 8, as much as they might kick & scream, Essendon won't pass on a late first round draft pick & let him go for nothing. Essendon blinks first there every time.

 

[BuntonRules]

Yeah but Essendon aren't really in the drivers seat here, same as with the Fantasia trade. They can put out whatever demands they want in the media, and it makes a good click bait story, but the only thing they can do is accept whatever Carlton are prepared to trade or let him walk for nothing.

In the hypothetical situation where Carlton prefer to trade pick 8 to us for 18 & 19 rather than try to work out a deal with Essendon involving pick 8, as much as they might kick & scream, Essendon won't pass on a late first round draft pick & let him go for nothing. Essendon blinks first there every time.

Whilst I am not a fan of the Dodoro bashing, he must have some runs on the board to still be there, it seems there is a lot of piss and wind in their trading.

 

[Brett C]

Yeah but Essendon aren't really in the drivers seat here, same as with the Fantasia trade. They can put out whatever demands they want in the media, and it makes a good click bait story, but the only thing they can do is accept whatever Carlton are prepared to trade or let him walk for nothing.

In the hypothetical situation where Carlton prefer to trade pick 8 to us for 18 & 19 rather than try to work out a deal with Essendon involving pick 8, as much as they might kick & scream, Essendon won't pass on a late first round draft pick & let him go for nothing. Essendon blinks first there every time.

They are in fact in the drivers seat to a certain extent, both Saad and Fantasia are both contracted beyond this year so the bombers don’t have to trade them.

Where do they need to let Saad go for nothing? They can hold him for the remaining 2 years of his contract or he can not play and not get paid.

Players don’t hold all the power in these situations and have every right to hold a player to their contract.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

They are in fact in the drivers seat to a certain extent, both Saad and Fantasia are both contracted beyond this year so the bombers don’t have to trade them.

Where do they need to let Saad go for nothing? They can hold him for the remaining 2 years of his contract or he can not play and not get paid.

Players don’t hold all the power in these situations and have every right to hold a player to their contract.

Saad is out-of-contract.

 

[BangyBangy]

Saad is out-of-contract.

I thought Fantasia was out of contract too. My bad.

 

[Brizzys Squizzy]

They are in fact in the drivers seat to a certain extent, both Saad and Fantasia are both contracted beyond this year so the bombers don’t have to trade them.

Where do they need to let Saad go for nothing? They can hold him for the remaining 2 years of his contract or he can not play and not get paid.

Players don’t hold all the power in these situations and have every right to hold a player to their contract.

How could you possibly not know that saad is out of contract.