List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[gringo2011]

There's a guy by the name of Sam Walsh that goes alright

Andrew McGrath, Whitfield, Delidio...even Cooney jagged a Brownlow before his knee went. There have been some pretty good ones recently but equally some terrible ones.

 

[Saint_Dos]

the way i view the ladhams situation is its like your neighbor has this quad bike he uses every now and then. you've also got quad bikes, you fave one is better but its got a few issues. so you're wondering if you should get a cheapie as a back up. you've seen the neighbours one just sit there pretty much unused and wonder if you can get it on the cheap and use it when ya old one packs it in. or when ya wanna beat it up on some rough tracks. so you bring up your issues with your quad bike in passing to the neighbour, see if he's interested in selling it.

meanwhile the neighbours wife wants to buy a new car, they're cash strapped so she's like why don't you sell it to the neighbour, so i can go get a new car.

the only problem is because the neighbour is cash strapped he needs a pretty damn high price for the quad bike. so when they tell you the asking price, you're just like meh! why in the fu** would anyone pay that much money for a shitty old quad bike just sitting there unused...

anways you know if you wait long enough, they'll sell other sh*t, buy the new car, he'll get sick of the quad bike and you'll end up buying it for even cheaper as it depreciates more. that or you'll flog it when they're asleep and blame it on the other neighbour he hates.... the crows supporter...

TL;DR; we are getting Ladhams for "free"... port will be pissed when they find out... but we'll blame it on adelaide.

See now I just want a quad bike.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah he’s obviously the best chance to be undisputed since Roo, but it’s way too early to call that one.

According to an article from 2-3 years back that I read recently “several clubs” rated Max the best player in that draft, and we started to see why late in the season. He looks the best chance to give Sam a run for his money.

Was that Naughtons year too? It was good draft. Bailey Smith had an ordinary year but is a gun as well.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Was that Naughtons year too? It was good draft. Bailey Smith had an ordinary year but is a gun as well.

No, Naughton was the year before. 2018 was the “superdraft” and I dare say Max would have gone pick 1 had he not done his knee.

Had 15 shots for goal in his only TAC Cup game that year!

 

[aussierulesrules]

It doesn't matter how many times others say we're better off with him delisted, we will need to find midfield cover. We are relying on hope not planning at the moment.

Just because you don’t like the plan doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

To have kept Luke we almost certainly would have to have offered him at least a two year deal, and on decent money, and that’s just too much for someone we believe is just going to be here for depth purposes.

Steele
Gresham
Jones
Crouch
Ross?
Clark
Bytel
Byrnes
Hannebery*?

Is enough immediate midfield depth and hopefully we’ll add more from the draft.

 

[bird_man]

Was that Naughtons year too? It was good draft. Bailey Smith had an ordinary year but is a gun as well.

No Naughton was 2017

2018 will be one of the greatest drafts we've seen.

People are very harsh on Bailey Smith. He was a gun during finals. He's 20 years old

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I heard someone saying how Geelong and St Kilda had set up those late noughties teams were built in a couple of drafts. Hawks got Mitchell and Hodge in draft and then over a couple of more found Buddy Roughy etc. Hopefully we do a bit of that against the flow.

It takes at least 4 good drafts to build a team (98 Hayes, baker and Schwarze, 99 Blake, 00 Roo and Kozi, 01 Ball, Dal Santo, Goose, Clarke, Montagna, 02 Goddard as a gift and lastly 03 we picked up Raph Clarke and Fisher)

Those 6 drafts at least had players who were in finals for us.

Using our current side (11 Ross and Webster, 13 Billings, 14 McKenzie, Lonie and Sincs via rookie draft, 15 Gresham, 16 Long, Battle and Marshall via rookie draft, 17 Coffield, Clark, Paton, 18 King, Bytel (plus hind who we traded) and Wilkie via rookie draft, 19 Byrnes and Connolly, 20 McLoed (who was yet to play) Highmore, plus Sharman as a mid year pickup.

17-20 could be key drafts for us if they develop well.

The list is still a work in process but it is shaping up.

 

[BrutThough]

Andrew McGrath, Whitfield, Delidio...even Cooney jagged a Brownlow before his knee went. There have been some pretty good ones recently but equally some terrible ones.

Probably too early to say on McGrath's draft - Taranto and McLuggage might both already be ahead. Plus some others might come hard over the next few years - Darcy, Simpkin, Bolton

Franklin was in Delidio's draft so he isn't the best from that one. Whitfled would be competing again Macrae or Grundy.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Yeah he’s obviously the best chance to be undisputed since Roo, but it’s way too early to call that one.

According to an article from 2-3 years back that I read recently “several clubs” rated Max the best player in that draft, and we started to see why, late in the season. He looks the best chance to give Sam a run for his money.

I do think Sam is the best from that draft but just saying that Bytel was rated as highly as him based on that youtube doco I shared. If he can even poll half as many brownlow votes next year as Walsh did this time we'll be laughing our way to the bank

 

[Saint_Dos]

No Naughton was 2017
2018 will be one of the greatest drafts we've seen.
People are very harsh on Bailey Smith. He was a gun during finals. He's 20 years old

Also have to remember his role would have been partially taken with Treloar coming in this year and Dunkley sticking around.
Will only get better next year

 

[aussierulesrules]

Probably too early to say on McGrath's draft - Taranto and McLuggage might both already be ahead. Plus some others might come hard over the next few years - Darcy, Simpkin, Bolton

Franklin was in Delidio's draft so he isn't the best from that one. Whitfled would be competing again Macrae or Grundy.

Wines is also from the Whitfield draft.
I dare say Mundy has overtaken Cooney.

 

[BrutThough]

Wines is also from the Whitfield draft.

Outstanding this year but despite his Brownlow, I would have those other 3 easily ahead of him career wise.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Outstanding this year but despite his Brownlow, I would have those other 3 easily ahead of him career wise.

Fair call. Wines is obviously coming with a serious bullet tho.

 

[BrutThough]

Fair call. Wines is obviously coming with a serious bullet tho.

If he could back it up, he could overtake them all because while Macrae and Whitfield are very consistent, they dont seem to have the overall accolades.

If Grundy can get back to the form that got him that huge deals, he would be the obvious 1 for me.

 

[Diehard Saint]

It doesn't matter how many times others say we're better off with him delisted, we will need to find midfield cover. We are relying on hope not planning at the moment.

I’m pretty sure they have a plan - and his name is Bytel.

Let’s not forget the big possibility of Clark getting in on the midfield action and also Gresh returning.

 

[aussierulesrules]

How funny will it be if Norf do take Horne-Francis at 1 and Daicos is still on the board at 2, where Collingwood’s first pick would be, if they hadn’t offloaded it cheaply last year!?

If that happens they could have had two of the best 3/4 in the draft.

Might be the biggest draft blunder since we took a fat kid with diabetes at 1 ahead of the consensus no.1 pick in Petracca.

 

[snails13]

He can if a club is already losing a FA such as Adelaide, Sydney and Richmond it seems.
Some of those clubs may be waiting to see if they receive anything or what value it is before they are happy to sign him.
Best case scenario is that someone like Richmond want him to come in but dont want to lose Chol compensation.
Problem is we would need Chol compo to be an end of 2nd rounder (or better) for them to want to deal with us otherwise they would be better off losing their compo given how many early picks they have.
If it was an end of 2nd then we may be able to sneak 48 or 53 from them but dont see either of those happening.

Article on Fox Sports AFL on Richmond's plans for above

 

[St Neil]

Him having now re-signed makes this the time that could actually get done. Prior to having re-signed he could have gotten there through free agency. Won’t happen though obviously.

Every year teams say they’re open to offers for pick 1. But it almost never gets traded because it would take an outrageously good offer to get it done.

That is an intriguing suggestion.

 

[snails13]

Any chance we can use our first and some players like Battle etc to try and get North’s first pick? Horne-Francis would be a perfect get for our midfield.

We won't be the first team to try this and they have all been knocked back so far

 

[Sully111]

I'm sure the delay on Ross is just him juggling offers from 17 other clubs.

 

[Joffaboy]

It doesn't matter how many times others say we're better off with him delisted, we will need to find midfield cover. We are relying on hope not planning at the moment.

Already got him covered, thats why he is getting the arse

 

[Significant]

Matt Rendell's List Management Assessment of St.Kilda:

• Blew it this year, after having a really poor preseason
• Too much time spent on tactics, not enough on getting fit
• Weren't fit enough to continue the same game style as 2020
• Big loss was Gresham and Paton, Clark out hurt
• Midfield is first class
• Hill needs to lift, McKenzie had a really good year
• Reckons West Coast were the same, lacking fitness
• Balance of the list is generally pretty good
• Only structural issue is the backline - heavy reliance on Dougal
• Wilkie and Highmore did a super job, but really need a key back
• We looked better with Jones fit and healthy - named the barometer
• Reckons we should be going after Talia as a DFA for two years until you can get someone in
• We should climb right back up the ladder - quite bullish on us tbh

SOS chimes in:

• Our pressure dropped off, named Butler but wasn't the only one
• Need to get more out of Clark and Coffield as high picks
• A bit disjointed at times because of availability
• Just as bullish on our hopes for next season

 

[Hubnester]

Matt Rendell's List Management Assessment of St.Kilda:

• Blew it this year, after having a really poor preseason
• Too much time spent on tactics, not enough on getting fit
• Weren't fit enough to continue the same game style as 2020
• Big loss was Gresham and Paton, Clark out hurt
• Midfield is first class
• Hill needs to lift, McKenzie had a really good year
• Reckons West Coast were the same, lacking fitness
• Balance of the list is generally pretty good
• Only structural issue is the backline - heavy reliance on Dougal
• Wilkie and Highmore did a super job, but really need a key back
• We looked better with Jones fit and healthy - named the barometer
• Reckons we should be going after Talia as a DFA for two years until you can get someone in
• We should climb right back up the ladder - quite bullish on us tbh

SOS chimes in:

• Our pressure dropped off, named Butler but wasn't the only one
• Need to get more out of Clark and Coffield as high picks
• A bit disjointed at times because of availability
• Just as bullish on our hopes for next season

Really bullish being the 15th team he's named to make the 8 next year. Onwards and upwards!

In fairness, Rendell may be clueless on a lot of topics but he does seem to have a good understanding of our list that most in the media don't have. Hard to argue with many of the points he made about our list and needs.

 

[Joffaboy]

Matt Rendell's List Management Assessment of St.Kilda:

• Blew it this year, after having a really poor preseason
• Too much time spent on tactics, not enough on getting fit
• Weren't fit enough to continue the same game style as 2020
• Big loss was Gresham and Paton, Clark out hurt
• Midfield is first class
• Hill needs to lift, McKenzie had a really good year
• Reckons West Coast were the same, lacking fitness
• Balance of the list is generally pretty good
• Only structural issue is the backline - heavy reliance on Dougal
• Wilkie and Highmore did a super job, but really need a key back
• We looked better with Jones fit and healthy - named the barometer
• Reckons we should be going after Talia as a DFA for two years until you can get someone in
• We should climb right back up the ladder - quite bullish on us tbh

SOS chimes in:

• Our pressure dropped off, named Butler but wasn't the only one
• Need to get more out of Clark and Coffield as high picks
• A bit disjointed at times because of availability
• Just as bullish on our hopes for next season

My god made a bit of sense there. Not sure about midfield first class, need a bit of work before they are Melbourne or Bulldog good but over all not a bad assessment

Here is some goss and don't @ me just got PM'ed this:

Battle and a fourth rounder to Brisbane for pick 14 with a swap of future picks. Don't know all the details but thats what I was told. Is it true? Well it is the silly season, but take it for what it is.

 

[#gosaintas]

My god made a bit of sense there. Not sure about midfield first class, need a bit of work before they are Melbourne or Bulldog good but over all not a bad assessment

Here is some goss and don't @ me just got PM'ed this:

Battle and a fourth rounder to Brisbane for pick 14 with a swap of future picks. Don't know all the details but thats what I was told. Is it true? Well it is the silly season, but take it for what it is.

losing Battle for a reasonable pick is a win